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I guess my only question is that if an aborted baby goes straight to heaven, why would you get in the way of that??? Why would you have them go through this ever worsening trail of tears? That is doing them NO favors. Seems like you're cheating them to me......just sayin'......
 
ABM said:
There's not an ounce of hypocricy there. Sorry.
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You did say a little further into the thread those quotes were pulled from, that you don't think it's the governments responsibility after kids are born.
 
ABM said:
I'm a bit past my prime to adopt,
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Orphans who have the hardest time getting adopted are teenagers...I'm sure you're not too old to adopt a 14- 17 year old and help them get through college...etc....teen orphans are rarely adopted
 
andalusian said:
So, let me see, if an aborted child goes to heaven and he believes that life on earth does not matter, all that matters is eternity in the after-life, logically (I know, I know, who do I talk logic with) he should be for abortion since life gets in the way of eternity...
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Buddhist, Taoist or Pagan babies will not be allowed....they'll be like Nicaraguan refugees at the border and be put in cages until they can be sent back. Heaven isn't for non believers
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Here is one thread where your hypocrisy is on full display. Need more?
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SlyPokerCat said:
Here is one thread where your hypocrisy is on full display. Need more?
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Thanks for taking the time to post all of these responses. I'm pretty sure they were made over time. But, nonetheless, I'll try to bring it into the context I had meant. Every living being is important and loved by God. Both, born, and the unborn, as well. I'm a strong advocate for the unborn. They have no choice nor say, but are living, nonetheless. I support ministries that believe the same. Once a child is born, there are natural responsibilities borne by the parents. I guess this is where I'm not following your line of questioning. I would absolutely hope the parents raise that child in a responsible and healthy manner. Should the child be born, or develop, disbilities or health issues, I would hope the parents do everything possible to help that child. If they're not able, then I would hope healthcare would be made available. I'm absolutely for the unborn and the born alike. The unborn have no choices and abortion makes that situation go away. The born are in the care and responsibility of their parents. Obviously, it's legally murder to terminate their life.

Interestingly, if a pregnant mother is murdered, the perpatrator would be charged with a double-homicide. Go figure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act
 
ABM said:
Thanks for taking the time to post all of these responses. I'm pretty sure they were made over time. But, nonetheless, I'll try to bring it into the context I had meant. Every living being is important and loved by God. Both, born, and the unborn, as well. I'm a strong advocate for the unborn. They have no choice nor say, but are living, nonetheless. I support ministries that believe the same. Once a child is born, there are natural responsibilities borne by the parents. I guess this is where I'm not following your line of questioning. I would absolutely hope the parents raise that child in a responsible and healthy manner. Should the child be born, or develop, disbilities or health issues, I would hope the parents do everything possible to help that child. If they're not able, then I would hope healthcare would be made available. I'm absolutely for the unborn and the born alike. The unborn have no choices and abortion makes that situation go away. The born are in the care and responsibility of their parents. Obviously, it's legally murder to terminate their life.

Interestingly, if a pregnant mother is murdered, the perpatrator would be charged with a double-homicide. Go figure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act
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You would be wrong. They were made over a very short period of time.

Parents do have a responsibility, but not all parents are good ones. Not all parents have the drive and mindset necessary to care for a child with permanent disabilities. Not all parents have the resources either. Healthcare is expensive, especially when a child has to spend weeks, months etc. In the hospital for care. Hence, why healthcare should be a human right. It is pretty fucked up to say, whelp, at no fault of your own you had a child with a disability, good luck with that. What kind of society is that? And unfortunately, many religious folks and conservatives are the ones stating healthcare for all is an idiotic statement.

You think the born have a choice on who they were born to? They don't. That's why folks like the government should step in and provide things like healthcare for all and resources for thise folks to get life saving resources.

You think its fair for someone to have a child at no fault of their own and go into bankruptcy because of medical bills? Because that's completely fucked up. Hospitals should not be concerned with profits, they should be concerned with saving lives.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
You would be wrong. They were made over a very short period of time.

Parents do have a responsibility, but not all parents are good ones. Not all parents have the drive and mindset necessary to care for a child with permanent disabilities. Not all parents have the resources either. Healthcare is expensive, especially when a child has to spend weeks, months etc. In the hospital for care. Hence, why healthcare should be a human right. It is pretty fucked up to say, whelp, at no fault of your own you had a child with a disability, good luck with that. What kind of society is that? And unfortunately, many religious folks and conservatives are the ones stating healthcare for all is an idiotic statement.

You think the born have a choice on who they were born to? They don't. That's why folks like the government should step in and provide things like healthcare for all and resources for thise folks to get life saving resources.

You think its fair for someone to have a child at no fault of their own and go into bankruptcy because of medical bills? Because that's completely fucked up. Hospitals should not be concerned with profits, they should be concerned with saving lives.
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We're more in agreement than you may think. I wish we had comprehensive health care. I mean, shoot, I'm on Medicare. Why would I not? My deal with all of that, though, is that I very much wish it weren't a strict government operation. Is privatization the answer? Maybe. With strong checks and balances, though.
 
ABM said:
We're more in agreement than you may think. I wish we had comprehensive health care. I mean, shoot, I'm on Medicare. Why would I not? My deal with all of that, though, is that I very much wish it weren't a strict government operation. Is privatization the answer? Maybe. With strong checks and balances, though.
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Were your thoughts I posted BC too?
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Were your thoughts I posted BC too?
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No, but they may have been a little vague. I want you to truly understand. Obviosuly, I didn't do a very good job of conveying that at the time.
 
ABM said:
No, but they may have been a little vague. I want you to truly understand. Obviosuly, I didn't do a very good job of conveying that at the time.
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I think you made it pretty clear that you valued unborn lives over born lives.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
It's not that easy man. You supporting people like Trump and Desantis shows you don't care about healthcare for these folks.

The hate in your heart you displayed in those posts....i have a hard time thinking Jesus would agree.
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He may not have, but I'm being very clear now.
 
Chris Craig said:
You did say a little further into the thread those quotes were pulled from, that you don't think it's the governments responsibility after kids are born.
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My guess is, it is. I haven't really looked at it, but aren't there current health/social programs for parents who are unable to pay for medical needs?
 
SlyPokerCat said:
It's not that easy man. You supporting people like Trump and Desantis shows you don't care about healthcare for these folks.

The hate in your heart you displayed in those posts....i have a hard time thinking Jesus would agree.
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It seems to me you've made it an either/or proposition. It's not.
 
ABM said:
He may not have, but I'm being very clear now.
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So, given that there were 630,000 abortions per year in the USA but there are 11.3 million children living under the poverty line without healthcare insurance in the USA - I take it that given an option to choose between a candidate that favors universal health insurance over abortion restriction you will choose that first?
 
andalusian said:
So, given that there were 630,000 abortions per year in the USA but there are 11.3 million children living under the poverty line without healthcare insurance in the USA - I take it that given an option to choose between a candidate that favors universal health insurance over abortion restriction you will choose that first?
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Hmmm....how much would it cost to restrict an abortion? Let's keep pushing for universal health care, though.
 
ABM said:
Hmmm....how much would it cost to restrict an abortion? Let's keep pushing for universal health care, though.
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That's not the question. In the past you claimed that you voted for candidates you did not love because they were for restriction abortion. Given your very clear announcement about the value of life , a couple of posts above, if the options were, as they have in recent elections, between a candidate that favors abortion restriction but disagrees with universal healthcare vs a candidate that opposes abortion restriction but strives for universal healthcare, you will vote for the 2nd, am I right?

You know what, I do not care, I do not believe whatever nonsense you will say anyway. At this point, it's about actions, not words. Your actions, repeatedly, show that you have not voted based on the very clear announcement you made a couple of posts above.
 
ABM said:
My guess is, it is. I haven't really looked at it, but aren't there current health/social programs for parents who are unable to pay for medical needs?
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Your guess? If you believe it's the governments responsibility to force women to give birth, is not their responsibility to also make sure that baby is taken care of?

The government is going to force women who don't have the financial ability to raise children to have them regardless.

There isn't nearly enough programs or good enough healthcare to help the all the women this will affect.
 
Chris Craig said:
Your guess? If you believe it's the governments responsibility to force women to give birth, is not their responsibility to also make sure that baby is taken care of?

The government is going to force women who don't have the financial ability to raise children to have them regardless.

There isn't nearly enough programs or good enough healthcare to help the all the women this will affect.
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Why would someone even take the chance on getting pregnant if they know in their mind they can't potentially support their child?
 
riverman said:
oh for fuck's sake...ignorance is not an excuse here. you love to ask questions that you don't want to hear the answer to..
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Ignorance? vs. what, responsibility? Your answer is not my answer.
 
ABM said:
Why would someone even take the chance on getting pregnant if they know in their mind they can't potentially support their child?
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Dude. Don't play dumb. There is a wide spectrum of what pregnancies cost. One child with perfect health does not equal one pregnancy with a child with special needs.
 
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