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When you look at all the various ethnic groups within our country, most have their cultural religions, of all kinds. And because we are a country that allows immigration freely ( a good thing) they want to bring their religion with them and many come here for that very reason.

African Americans
Indigenous
Hispanic
Asians
Euro's
Islanders

The key is a seperation from religion and government.
Also, within each group as with any group there are extreme fanatics that become problems and try pushing their values and ways.
Not just one religion but all.

Now even political groups are getting as bad as religious extremist.
Sure tribalism.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't think other Christians need to change the way the the extremists think, just be vocal about how wrong they are. Very vocal.

Similar to how DeSantis should be very vocal about not supporting, or wanting the support of, Nazis.

Racists and bigots SHOULD be shouted down before they can cause harm.

Again, if people do not condemn things they can be associated with, that association will be made. The greater the harm caused, the more harmful the association is likely to be.
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I couldn't have said it better. And I mean that. You broke that down nicely.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't think other Christians need to change the way the the extremists think, just be vocal about how wrong they are. Very vocal.

Similar to how DeSantis should be very vocal about not supporting, or wanting the support of, Nazis.

Racists and bigots SHOULD be shouted down before they can cause harm.

Again, if people do not condemn things they can be associated with, that association will be made. The greater the harm caused, the more harmful the association is likely to be.
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I think you would enjoy the interview in this article.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/christians-have-a-role-to-play-in-defending-u-s-democracy/

In case you’re interested, the passage from Matthew referenced in the article reads:


34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
Matthew 25:34-40
 
e_blazer said:
I think the intent is to include people who tend to make decisions based on religious beliefs.
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I understand that. I was jus sayin.....and you know what I mean.
 
ABM said:
I understand that. I was jus sayin.....and you know what I mean.
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Actually we don't know what you mean. I don't draw any important distinction between Christians and Mormons. The differences in beliefs are negligible and have small affect on how they interact with the outside populace.
 
theprunetang said:
Actually we don't know what you mean. I don't draw any important distinction between Christians and Mormons. The differences in beliefs are negligible and have small affect on how they interact with the outside populace.
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It's OK.
 
That Matthew quote ... second part he condemns those who did not for the least of these.

When I was at Cal, @e_blazer, there was a campus Christian group who quoted only the first line, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, to protest the gay student union. It was not until years later I learned what the passage said, and that it has nothing to do with anyone being gay.

Now, back to originalism. The Ninth Amendment says that just because a right is not specifically enumerated in the Constitution doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The founders knew they couldn't think of everything, but just because they didn't think of it in late 18th century wasn't the end.
 
I wasn't sure if this is best placed here or in one of the politics threads, because apparently the abortion issue (or it's origins at least) has nothing to do with abortion, it's about political control.

Why is America so divided on abortion? Because a key conservative player planned it that way

There was a time in the United States when abortion wasn't so political, but one conservative Christian man believed it could be.

To him, the reproductive rights of women presented an opportunity. He dreamed of building a coalition — a powerful voting bloc that would help pull the Republican Party to the right.

He needed an issue that would bring conservative Americans of Christian faiths together, something they could sell as a family value and that positioned the coalition as morally superior.
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Abortion could prove potent.

And so, the conservative political strategist set about testing the theory, even proclaiming that when the "moral majority" had power, they would be able to "re-shape the nation".

His name was Paul Weyrich and he warned the people in his movement were "radicals".

Weyrich was planting these seeds in the 1970s and while he was playing a very long game, it seems his vision is now coming to pass.
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SlyPokerCat said:
Mormons actually get really annoyed at the multiple wives line. That's such a small radical group that actually does that.
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I have Mormon neighbors and they are awesome neighbors. They do have a free labor crew anytime they want it...when they build something about a dozen young guys in white shirts with elder tags show up and do it. They just retired and just got home from a two year missionary trip to Serbia and Croatia...I'm glad they're home because the couple who took care of their house while they were gone were really the opposite...anti social and a little uptight.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Data disagrees with you. There is far more abuse of children, including violent crime and murder when abortion is outlawed.

The rates for all of these drop when abortion is legalized.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect#:~:text="We estimate that crime fell,crime in the early 1990s."
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Because so many black babies are killed right? First of all that's a correlation for which there are many confounding factors. Secondly, i said abortion itself is child abuse.
 
riverman said:
I have Mormon neighbors and they are awesome neighbors. They do have a free labor crew anytime they want it...when they build something about a dozen young guys in white shirts with elder tags show up and do it. They just retired and just got home from a two year missionary trip to Serbia and Croatia...I'm glad they're home because the couple who took care of their house while they were gone were really the opposite...anti social and a little uptight.
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Lots of them are good people in my experience. The religion can go off the rails with treating women as 2nd class (many religions unfortunately do that) and can be somewhat judgy depending on who they are (again, can be common in religion) but many would do anything to help their fellow people.
 
beast crnjo said:
Because so many black babies are killed right? First of all that's a correlation for which there are many confounding factors. Secondly, i said abortion itself is child abuse.
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Legalized abortion results in lower crime rates every time. Abortion bans result in higher crime rates and lower economic output every time. Everywhere it has been tried.

And you would be wrong about abortion being child abuse. The constitution doesn't even recognize citizens until they are born according to the 14th ammendment.
 
ABM said:
There are distinct differences. You can Google it.
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There are distinct differences in coffee beans as well ....you can Google that. A cult would be a group of people who blindly follow a leader who makes them promises....you should be familiar with that on several levels by now.
 
riverman said:
A cult would be a group of people who blindly follow a leader who makes them promises...
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Not necessarily. Another example of a cult would be Jehovah Witness.
 
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