OT Roe V Wade In Trouble

[ABM]

I had it in HS Health class in 66. I'll be honest Im not sure just how beneficial it was in HS. It would be better received and impactful do have it in middle school. Just my opinion.

Things are a bit different these days as opposed to '66. The teacher pulls the banana out of the basket and proceeds to demonstrate how to properly apply a condom. Meanwhile, the lesbian girl is asking to be excused for a potty break while the trans kid is muttering just gag me, already.

Kidding, of course. But, we now live in a very complex world......and getting more so every day.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

It's not what she says so much as how she says it.

Wow, did that just make me do a face palm……..

 

[ABM]

Wow, did that just make me do a face palm……..

Yeah, probably.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's not what she says so much as how she says it.

exactly.
I did and said nothing at all to her that should be considered an insult. Not in a direct or round about fashion.
The previous time this happened i went out of my way to be considerate when asking her a question. I learned by the response, not to ask again.
I then sent her a pm apologizing and was told she wants to forgive but couldn't do it do to some excuse…
But yet I'm supposed to respect her and her opinions?


Respect goes both ways.

Mods can defend her all she wants, but how she says things is just as wrong as those she rails against.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but depending on which side you land on, its either accepted or denied based on a bias.

She behaves in the same manner she chastises others for and then people want others to accept and respect that???

pffft. Sorry.

 

[Orion Bailey]

It's very strange how some people seem to fixate on crandc and can't let anything she says go without some sort of comment, retort or a demand that she understands what they want her to understand.

Mmmmm what about her is different that causes such a uproar with some people? I know it's that she is passive aggressive!

its funny how some are blind to the fact that it was HER who couldnt let a conversation between two people go without a passive aggressive comment as evidenced in this very thread 24 hours ago.
But you know. Biased cliques will defend each other even when wrong…

Its hilarious.
To answer your last question, she is the ONLy one who has yelled out for people to go fuck themselves during a respectable conversation.
But you know. Dismiss that too, cause… you know.. bias.

im in court right now learning about subconscious bias.
Im pretty sure many people in this forum could use the same education and thus, turn it into a bit of self reflection…

 

[crandc]

Oi vey.
Been called every name in the book and I am too emotional.
This thread is not about me. It's not about some dude's hurt feelings.
It is about for the first time in history the Supreme Court proclaiming a constitutional right and then taking it back. It's about the people who will lose all say in the private aspects of their lives.

 

[Phatguysrule]

And, perhaps, we don't need cransplaining from someone who is clearly ignorant on the matter - replete with not-so-subtle digs. By the way, last night's Mercy Multiplied event was a wonderful affair. The testimonies were compelling and heartwarming. We need more of this in America. Love conquers all.

Apparently we do, since some of us are still supporting removing a woman's right to choose...

 

[Phatguysrule]

So its mens fault women cant handle men discussing this without controlling their emotions?

yeah not buying it…

Men discussing what she can do with her own body.

Are you serious? It's a disgrace that we even have to have these conversations. She has every right to be pissed.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Apparently we do, since sometimes of us are still supporting removing a woman's right to choose...

from what ive read, no one is trying to remove anything. People were trying to discuss the moral aspect and ramifications of abortion, when should we consider a fetus a life, etc.

and she cant handle it.

boo fucking hooo.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Men discussing what she can do with her own body.

Are you serious? It's a disgrace that we even have to have these conversations. She has every right to be pissed.

oh bullshit. Births are required to maintain the future of women AND men so ww absolutely have the right to discuss it. And we will have to live with your disgust and her not handling it…

again boo fucking hoo. Men are discussing the ramifications of abortion.

Omg. The atrocity!!

Anyone opposed to such a discussion can go fuck themselves for trying to deny the right to free speech.
The double standard here is so glaring i can see why some are blind to it.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Things are a bit different these days as opposed to '66. The teacher pulls the banana out of the basket and proceeds to demonstrate how to properly apply a condom. Meanwhile, the lesbian girl is asking to be excused for a potty break while the trans kid is muttering just gag me, already.

Kidding, of course. But, we now live in a very complex world......and getting more so every day.

None of that changes anything about Sex Ed in schools...

 

[ehizzy3]

Boo hoo lol irony

 

[Phatguysrule]

from what ive read, no one is trying to remove anything. People were trying to discuss the moral aspect and ramifications of abortion, when should we consider a fetus a life, etc.

and she cant handle it.

boo fucking hooo.

If you're supporting politicians or groups who actively support restricting a woman's access to choose then you are absolutely supporting restrictions on women's rights to choose.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Births are required to maintain the future of women

Any reason why you don't have kids? I mean if your concern is maintaining the future of women (and hopefully men too) wouldn't having or adopting kids be a positive and easiest way to achieve that?

 

[Orion Bailey]

If you're supporting politicians or groups who actively support restricting a woman's access to choose then you are absolutely supporting restrictions on women's rights to choose.

how many fucking times does someone have to say they would never vote for restricting abortions before it sinks in???
Does that mean the ramifications of abortion and when a fetus should be considered its own life, cant be discussed??

Complete bullshit..

 

[Phatguysrule]

oh bullshit. Births are required to maintain the future of women AND men so ww absolutely have the right to discuss it.

There is no discussion about births. Everybody agrees that planned and wanted births are a necessity and joyous occasion.

And we will have to live with your disgust and her not handling it…

again boo fucking hoo. Men are discussing the ramifications of abortion.

The ramifications of abortion are fully understood. That some are fighting in the face of those proven facts is disgraceful.

Omg. The atrocity!!

Anyone opposed to such a discussion can go fuck themselves for trying to deny the right to free speech.
The double standard here is so glaring i can see why some are blind to it.

Nobody is trying to prevent or stop the conversation.

Being angry that men are actively trying to remove a woman's right to her own body is not the same as trying to restrict speech.

 

[Phatguysrule]

how many fucking times does someone have to say they would never vote for restricting abortions before it sinks in???
Does that mean the ramifications of abortion and when a fetus should be considered its own life, cant be discussed??

Complete bullshit..

So you don't vote for republicans? Because if you do, you vote for restricting abortions...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Any reason why you don't have kids? I mean if your concern is maintaining the future of women (and hopefully men too) wouldn't having or adopting kids be a positive and easiest way to achieve that?

my wife and i married wanting kids.

complex question but we decided not to for several reasons.
One being, i still think i may need to take over my sisters youngest kids if she doesn't get her shit together, so there is a potential to have to be a parent to my niece and nephew.

Another reason is we are seeing the devolvement of society and i honestly have concerns of civil war, of which trying to care for a toddler could be extremely difficult.

but mostly, we decided we don't want our own and will decide to adopt, if/ when we are confident we can provide the child all the attention, care and education we believe a child deserves by their parent.
We believe being a parent should be considered of the highest responsibility there is in life and we dont minimize it to just feel like ww. Sn be casual and get pregnant and then abort if we decide parenting isn't for us.
We are responsible and take the necessary precautions to not be put im such a position.
The responsibility of such a choice has been minimized by open abortions and not letting women know how we feel about it all.

For the women to not want to listen, is just as fucked up as it is for a man trying to force a decision on women.

 

[Orion Bailey]

There is no discussion about births. Everybody agrees that planned and wanted births are a necessity and joyous occasion.


The ramifications of abortion are fully understood. That some are fighting in the face of those proven facts is disgraceful.


Nobody is trying to prevent or stop the conversation.

Being angry that men are actively trying to remove a woman's right to her own body is not the same as trying to restrict speech.

Show me where i ever said I'm trying to restrict their right?
Until then this post is irrelevant.
I sgree they aren't the same. However haw is attempting to restrict the conversation. She even said bow a out men nit discuss it and mind our own business..

the foundation of your argument doesn't exist.
Try again.

 

[Orion Bailey]

So you don't vote for republicans? Because if you do, you vote for restricting abortions...

first this is bullshit. Not all republicans are for restricting abortions.
Second i e stated many times im now an independent because i dont care for some of what the republican goo has turned into.
I vote for who i feel the best candidate is for the position. Period. Im not a single issue voter.
But you can project this loose tie all you want. Ive heard it.

“i vote to have people kill certain people.”
Just such complete bullshit its not even worth addressing any further.

by this logic i can say anyone for abortion is not for families and believes in the devolvement of the family household.
I can say anyone for abortion is for selective process.

i can say, whats next? Kill any baby we think wont reach a certain iq?

these are all extreme responses i dont provide because im trying to be logical about the ramification of abortion and i try to keep the discussion open regarding when a fetus should be considered a life.

The fact that a certain woman is against men discussing that and you support that restriction is just as sad as those who want to restrict abortions.

Spin it all you want. Cant deny one restriction whole pushing for another. Its an inconsistent double standard.

Then you top it off with such aggression as telling people to go fuck yourself and your defense of this behavior is laughable…



Again. Rr7 and i were both discussing. Per her, were both villains and should mind our own business.

Just complete bullshit. And honestly, i could see people turning the other way in spite when such a double standard is so prevalent.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No one was discussing rape or child pregnancies or anything, so crands’ “fuck yourself” comment was irrelevant… other than to toss out a passive aggressive jab.
Her comment was not needed because no one was going there. But she still cant handle the conversation

The dismissal of this in an attempt to defend her, is telling from some of you….

Not one of you told her no one is refuting that and thats not what was being discussed… because… bias.

 

[RR7]

For the women to not want to listen, is just as fucked up as it is for a man trying to force a decision on women.

Lol, no, it's really not. Why should a woman have to listen to you about anything having to do with her body? You say you don't want to control what a woman can do, but you post like you most certainly want to, you just don't want to make it a law.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Lol, no, it's really not. Why should a woman have to listen to you about anything having to do with her body? You say you don't want to control what a woman can do, but you post like you most certainly want to, you just don't want to make it a law.

because an intelliegent woman would understand that it requires a man to make a child and maintain the human race.
So maybe we have an opinion,


I can see the denial of listening to thst opinion prior to making a decision pushing some men to say fuck it. You wont even listen to me becore making oyyr decision? Then im nit gonna respect your decision


Respect goes both ways. Period. Its not conditional.
Women want men to respect their decision? Then the mature thing would be for the women to respect men enough to listen to them before making their decision.

as a man, i expect such respect from women and in return i will always respect their decision.


So yeah it really is..

 

[MARIS61]

Oi vey.
Been called every name in the book and I am too emotional.
This thread is not about me. It's not about some dude's hurt feelings.
It is about for the first time in history the Supreme Court proclaiming a constitutional right and then taking it back. It's about the people who will lose all say in the private aspects of their lives.

The Supreme Court has no standing nor any authority to either create or erase a Constitutional right.

The Left's Complete Ignorance of the basic structure, balance, limitations, and the absolute separation of powers that America's government consists of, is why they can always be instantly mobilized by the Deep State to create division, unrest and panic among the masses.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hey! A male created this thread! He should shut the fuck up aNd mind his own business!!!


I only want to hear from men who agree with me!!!!!

the takes here are… interesting to say the least.

 

[MARIS61]

https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...nts_on_emdobbs_v_jackson_womens_healthem.html

 

[RR7]

Hey! A male created this thread! He should shut the fuck up aNd mind his own business!!!


I only want to hear from men who agree with me!!!!!

the takes here are… interesting to say the least.

Jesus, your inability to ignore someone's throw away comment not directed at you and causing this sort of meltdown is amusing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Jesus, your inability to ignore someone's throw away comment not directed at you and causing this sort of meltdown is amusing.

jesus the inability of someone else to ignore a respectable conversation without blurting out for people to go fuck themselves as a passive aggressive jab, is amusing.

Your one sided view of it is hilarious. if it was the first time? Easy to dismiss, but this is a consistent pattern. You just dont acknowledge it because.. you know… bias.

 

[barfo]

This is a bit of a side comment, but it seems like a good time to point out that the human race is NOT in danger of extinction, at least not from excessive abortions. In fact the current danger is overpopulation.

barfo

 

[e_blazer]

I typically stay out of abortion discussions because most people who debate the issue are totally entrenched on one side or the other and no amount of discussion is going to change those views. The salient issue that usually gets shoved aside in these debates is the legal basis that the Court relied on in deciding Roe v. Wade. The right to privacy was a very tenuous basis for the Court to hang the decision on. The presumptive right of a person to make a private medical decision in consultation with a doctor certainly has limits. We don't allow those decisions to include suicide outside of the limits imposed by reasonable state statutes. We don't allow the doctor to prescribe medications and treatments outside of those allowed under federal and state statutes. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was a staunch pro-choice advocate, but she was not a fan of Roe v. Wade. She believed that the privacy underpinnings of the decision were too open to future legal challenges...as is being played out now. She thought that the better constitutional ground was under the equal protection provisions of the 14th Amendment. She felt that women could not have equality with men unless they were free to make decisions regarding reproductive health.

Regardless of views on abortion, I would hope that we favor a Supreme Court that makes legal decisions on firm constitutional bases. I'm afraid that the Court, as currently constructed, will rule to weaken or do away with Roe v. Wade. That will do significant harm to our society by pushing the notion that the Court is just another political institution and will likely lead to liberal elements in the Democratic Party pushing for court packing, which will itself push the perception of the Court being just another bunch of political hacks. The optimal outcome, in my estimation, would be for the Court to redecide the issue along the lines that Ginsburg outlined. I doubt that will happen.