OT Roe V Wade In Trouble

[Chris Craig]

The Supreme Court has no standing nor any authority to either create or erase a Constitutional right.

The Left's Complete Ignorance of the basic structure, balance, limitations, and the absolute separation of powers that America's government consists of, is why they can always be instantly mobilized by the Deep State to create division, unrest and panic among the masses.

Then they have no right to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body

 

[Chris Craig]

exactly.
I did and said nothing at all to her that should be considered an insult. Not in a direct or round about fashion.
The previous time this happened i went out of my way to be considerate when asking her a question. I learned by the response, not to ask again.
I then sent her a pm apologizing and was told she wants to forgive but couldn't do it do to some excuse…
But yet I'm supposed to respect her and her opinions?


Respect goes both ways.

Mods can defend her all she wants, but how she says things is just as wrong as those she rails against.

Two wrongs don't make a right, but depending on which side you land on, its either accepted or denied based on a bias.

She behaves in the same manner she chastises others for and then people want others to accept and respect that???

pffft. Sorry.

Not defending her. She doesn't need me to defend her. Shes a grown ass lady who we have all seen is very capable of taking care of herself.

I'm Just pointing out what I see.

 

[Chris Craig]

its funny how some are blind to the fact that it was HER who couldnt let a conversation between two people go without a passive aggressive comment as evidenced in this very thread 24 hours ago.
But you know. Biased cliques will defend each other even when wrong…

Its hilarious.
To answer your last question, she is the ONLy one who has yelled out for people to go fuck themselves during a respectable conversation.
But you know. Dismiss that too, cause… you know.. bias.

im in court right now learning about subconscious bias.
Im pretty sure many people in this forum could use the same education and thus, turn it into a bit of self reflection…

Dude,

Is she paying rent? Cause she is living in your head full time. You gotta let it go.

 

[crandc]

This is a public discussion board. There are no private conversations. You can DM anyone with a private remark.
Anything, anything, to avoid talking about the rights and lives of women.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Dude,

Is she paying rent? Cause she is living in your head full time. You gotta let it go.

Chris. Did i not say i didn't want to discuss other people yesterday? Have you not seen the continual posts quoting me and for me?

So all these people including you, can keep it going, but if i do i need to let it go???

im only responding to others. I dont see you asking them to move on and let it go….


i was ready to let it go yesterday but if you think im not going to respond to posts about me… that's pretty one sided bias…

And who lives in who's head when im having a respectable conversation, she cant help but blurt shit out aimed at me? And don't bring up she didn't use my name. Were not that naive.

Men are in her head and it upset her. But yeah. Shes in my head. Lol.

Soo one sided…

 

[Minstrel]

If you have an issue with someone, the problem may lie with either or both of you. If you have issues with everyone, the problem likely lies with you.

 

[crandc]

As the thread has devolved into men crying about how persecuted they are, I am done.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Show me where i ever said I'm trying to restrict their right?
Until then this post is irrelevant.
I sgree they aren't the same. However haw is attempting to restrict the conversation. She even said bow a out men nit discuss it and mind our own business..

the foundation of your argument doesn't exist.
Try again.

People are absolutely trying to restrict their rights.

Women have the right to be pissed off about that and voice that displeasure. Are you trying to attack her freedom of speech?

Nobody said you were trying to restrict anything. You, however, responded in a defensive mannor as though you have a guilty conscience.

 

[Orion Bailey]

People are absolutely trying to restrict their rights.

Women have the right to be pissed off about that and voice that displeasure. Are you trying to attack her freedom of speech?

Nobody said you were trying to restrict anything. You, however, responded in a defensive mannor as though you have a guilty conscience.

okay. Whatever.

 

[Minstrel]

I think one thing that people should understand when entering a discussion involving certain people's rights is that it actually matters a lot to those people--it's not simply a dry, academic discussion.

It's fine if you, as someone unaffected, want to participate in the conversation. But I think you should be respectful of the fact that you have no skin in the game and others do, so you may not get terribly polite responses if you come in "just asking questions" or playing devil's advocate. Feigning or actually being hurt that this person who's actual rights are at stake didn't carefully consider and respect your feelings about something that doesn't affect you is a bad idea.

This isn't a "social justice" principle, it's common sense--if your friend has a child dealing with a life-threatening issue, it's one thing to talk with them about it; it's entirely another to believe your thoughts and feelings on the matter should be given equal weight and treatment. But on this forum, it's usually going to crop up in connection with discussions involving people's rights within society.

It's something to consider when discussing women's rights, race relations or LGBTQ+ rights.

 

[Chris Craig]

The Supreme court has left the Texas abortion law in affect but has allowed the right for Clinics to challenge it.

 

[Lanny]

and many believe allowing women to have abortions is harmful to society. Many believe its a sign of society is heartless, selfish and lacking any responsibility and those traits are being passed down to generation after generation.

Many people believe allowing abortions is the degradation of our society. And on certain levels, they are not wrong.

We talk about how we have evolved from being animals.
Proove it. Stop killing our young like animals.

Animals have sex with no regard.
Humans have a conscience and a choice.

for the gazzillionth time, im not for abortion laws but it is treated as a far too casual thing and needs to be shunned more. And those having abortions because the healthy pregnancy is an inconvenience should be treated as losers in society.

but hey. Im gonna go fuck myself for trying to have a discussion. Maybe ill check back in to see if thats been addressed by anyone else actually trying to have a conversation..


Sometime i wonder why i try…

There are reasons why people do things and not just because they're born evil. Therefor wouldn't it make sense to try to understand why people have abortions and failing at that, since we all do, treat it as one of the mysteries of life. This would be better than a counterproductive attitude of blaming her for making a poor choice. No, it's not some poor choice that you can browbeat out of a woman.

 

[Lanny]

I'm not about making laws forcing women to carry their babies to birth. However, I am all about supporting resources and organizations that help prevent abortions. The context of my beliefs seems appropriate in this thread.

Now, what could be better than that. Exactly my feelings on the subject. Bravo!

 

[Orion Bailey]

There are reasons why people do things and not just because they're born evil. Therefor wouldn't it make sense to try to understand why people have abortions and failing at that, since we all do, treat it as one of the mysteries of life. This would be better than a counterproductive attitude of blaming her for making a poor choice. No, it's not some poor choice that you can browbeat out of a woman.

where do we learn and improve then?

 

[Lanny]

where do we learn and improve then?

We learn by teaching but not by cramming it down someone's throat. I'm a firm believer that you catch more ants with honey than vinegar (my grandmother's saying and she had a million of them).
Side note - My favorite grandmother saying "Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

 

[Phatguysrule]

The Supreme court has left the Texas abortion law in affect but has allowed the right for Clinics to challenge it.

Huh? Isn't that what happened here? It was challenged?

 

[Chris Craig]

Huh? Isn't that what happened here? It was challenged?

Yes.

The law was challenged

It went to the Texas supreme court who of course were cool with the law.

It then was appealed to the supreme court

The Supreme court ruled to leave the Texas law in tact 5-4

They also ruled that a suit can be brought again

It will go again to the Texas supreme court who will keep the law legal

It will then go back to the SC

Around and around we go

 

[Phatguysrule]

Now, what could be better than that. Exactly my feelings on the subject. Bravo!

I would suggest people with this point of view would vote for politicians and laws which support sex education, birth control, and a woman's right to choose then.

As well as generally supporting reducing the pay gap between men and women, and generally improving access to education, healthcare and improving the social safety net.

Since those all do a better job of lower abortion rates than voting for people who don't support those things.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yes.

The law was challenged

It went to the Texas supreme court who of course were cool with the law.

It then was appealed to the supreme court

The Supreme court ruled to leave the Texas law in tact 5-4

They also ruled that a suit can be brought again

It will go again to the Texas supreme court who will keep the law legal

It will them go back to the SC

Around and around we go

Then the SC can refuse to hear it... Nothing changes in Texas and there is legal precedent for other states to do the same.

Ugh...

 

[Chris Craig]

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/01/...-court-viability-standard-analysis/index.html


Judge John Roberts led a dissent stating that Texas's effort was to overturn Roe V Wade and they shouldn't have allowed the law to stand.

He is also trying to broker a deal with the 5 other conservative judges who ruled for the law, to gut Roe V Wade but preserve some right to abortion for women. He would ask for abortions to be illegal after viability...23 weeks but would also allow states to ban abortions at 15 weeks as Mississippi has done. He wouldn't completely ban abortions

 

[Chris Craig]

Then the SC can refuse to hear it... Nothing changes in Texas and there is legal precedent for other states to do the same.

Ugh...

Exactly

That is what the 5 Judges in control are aiming for. The other 4 might as well not even be there.

They are leaving the law intact so other states can copy it's blueprint.

All while making it appear they have left a recourse

It all leads to their desire to undo Roe V Wade

It's not going to end well. I don't know how many of you are married. But, the last thing you want is to piss a woman off. Millions of women are about to be pissed off.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It's not going to end well. I don't know how many of you are married. But, the last thing you want is to piss a woman off. Millions of women are about to be pissed off.

Well, maybe that's a good thing then. This is disgraceful. Expected of this SC, but disgraceful.

 

[Chris Craig]

Well, maybe that's a good thing then. This is disgraceful. Expected of this SC, but disgraceful.

Very fucking disgraceful

Our government is tainted even to it's deepest core

A body mandated to pass rulings solely of the constitution, instead passes them based on the judgment of their politics.

 

[barfo]

I'm a firm believer that you catch more ants with honey than vinegar

Why do you want to catch ants?

I'm not saying you are less evolved, but others can draw their own conclusions.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

Very fucking disgraceful

Our government is tainted even to it's deepest core

A body mandated to pass rulings solely of the constitution, instead passes them based on the judgment of their politics.

And those (conservative, right wing) politics claim to be all about constitutional rights...

 

[crandc]

I would suggest people with this point of view would vote for politicians and laws which support sex education, birth control, and a woman's right to choose then.

As well as generally supporting reducing the pay gap between men and women, and generally improving access to education, healthcare and improving the social safety net.

Since those all do a better job of lower abortion rates than voting for people who don't support those things.

I don't engage with woman haters but you are not one.
Every anti abortion group opposes comprehensive sex education, birth control, and emergency contraception for rape.
They oppose children's health insurance program, SNAP food aid which mostly benefits families with children, and Women Infants Children food aid program.
They oppose equal pay laws.
If you look at states with most restrictions on women's bodies, they are the states with most punitive attitude towards women and children, the fewest social services, and the highest maternal and infant mortality.
They are not about life. It's about controlling and subjugating women. Nothing more.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I don't engage with woman haters but you are not one.
Every anti abortion group opposes comprehensive sex education, birth control, and emergency contraception for rape.
They oppose children's health insurance program, SNAP food aid which mostly benefits families with children, and Women Infants Children food aid program.
They oppose equal pay laws.
If you look at states with most restrictions on women's bodies, they are the states with most punitive attitude towards women and children, the fewest social services, and the highest maternal and infant mortality.
They are not about life. It's about controlling and subjugating women. Nothing more.

Excellent post. 100% correct.

 

[crandc]

Excellent post. 100% correct.

And they overwhelmingly support death penalty, love guns, and oppose vaccines and masking.

 

[ABM]

They are not about life. It's about controlling and subjugating women. Nothing more.

Continue on. Their reason(s) for doing that is?

 

[riverman]

Look up toxic masculinity and the Male Superiority Complex and all your answers are there....throw in some paternally extreme fundamentalist theology and bam...