Romney tells millionaires what he really thinks of Obama voters

[julius]

Romney Video

I can't say that what he says is a surprise (or imho, a big deal). People are more candid when it comes to fund raisers that aren't knowingly recorded.

But wow...if he thought he had a hard time convincing independents and people who aren't sure before, go ahead and tell them you think this kind of shit and see what happens.

 

[barfo]

I wonder if this will get as much play in the lamestream media as Obama's 'guns and bitterness' fundraiser quote in 2008.

barfo

 

[julius]

I wonder if this will get as much play in the lamestream media as Obama's 'guns and bitterness' fundraiser quote in 2008.

barfo

nope.

 

[maxiep]

He's much more generous to those people than am I. I'm happy to help the helpless; I'm not too thrilled to help those who can, but refuse to help themselves.

And all he said was that they were going to support Obama. It wasn't close to calling them people who cling bitterly to their guns, their religion and people who aren't like them as a way to explain their frustrations.

 

[julius]

Yeah, it just said that they don't work, are lazy and beneath him.

 

[Masbee]

Yeah, it just said that they don't work, are lazy and beneath him.

that is NOT what the person in the video said.

He said they think they are "victims".

Which, by golly is true for some Americans.

None of the quotes are problematic.

Sure, Leftists disagree with the sentiment, but there is nothing factually incorrect, except maybe debating the "47%".

 

[julius]

that is NOT what the person in the video said.

He said they think they are "victims".

Which, by golly is true for some Americans.

None of the quotes are problematic.

Sure, Leftists disagree with the sentiment, but there is nothing factually incorrect, except maybe debating the "47%".

Yeah, because saying they call themselves victims isn't the same as saying they're beneath him.

It's called dismissing them as not counting. Again, beneath him.

 

[maxiep]

Yeah, because saying they call themselves victims isn't the same as saying they're beneath him.

It's called dismissing them as not counting. Again, beneath him.

That's your impression and not what he said.

 

[Masbee]

I wonder if this will get as much play in the lamestream media as Obama's 'guns and bitterness' fundraiser quote in 2008.

barfo

Why should it?

That Obama narrative was disgusting and, we now know, VERY VERY telling about the man who would become our leader:

Hint, very biased, opinionated, filled with a superiority complex, combatitive, judgemental, and not moderate, but very left of center.

 

[barfo]

that is NOT what the person in the video said.

He said they think they are "victims".

Which, by golly is true for some Americans.

None of the quotes are problematic.

Sure, Leftists disagree with the sentiment, but there is nothing factually incorrect, except maybe debating the "47%".

That's amusing.

47% of Americans are serial killers, and Romney voters.
There's nothing factually incorrect, except maybe debating the "47%".

barfo

 

[barfo]

Why should it?

That Obama narrative was disgusting and, we now know, VERY VERY telling about the man who would become our leader:

Hint, very biased, opinionated, filled with a superiority complex, combatitive, judgemental, and not moderate, but very left of center.

And Romney's quote was different from that how?
Very biased? Check
Opinionated? Check
Filled with a superiority complex? Check
combatitive, judgemental, and not moderate? Check check check
very left of center? nope, very right of center.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Romney went on: "[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Why are you upset at Romney for telling the truth? The tipping point is close in terms of those paying federal taxes versus those who receive benefits. Actually, looking at annual deficits, the tipping point is long past in terms of actually running a responsible budget, and it's now a race to see how many citizens can get to be dependent on government in order to lock up majorities.

 

[BrianFromWA]

And because they voted for him, they don't want to be told that they were wrong, that he's a bad guy, that he did bad things, that he's corrupt. Those people that we have to get, they want to believe they did the right thing, but he just wasn't up to the task. They love the phrase that he's "over his head." But if we're– but we, but you see, you and I, we spend our day with Republicans. We spend our days with people who agree with us. And these people are people who voted for him and don't agree with us. And so the things that animate us are not the things that animate them. And the best success I have at speaking with those people is saying, you know, the president has been a disappointment. He told you he'd keep unemployment below eight percent. Hasn't been below eight percent since. Fifty percent of kids coming out of school can't get a job. Fifty percent. Fifty percent of the kids in high school in our 50 largest cities won't graduate from high school. What're they gonna do? These are the kinds of things that I can say to that audience that they nod their head and say, "Yeah, I think you're right." What he's going to do, by the way, is try and vilify me as someone who's been successful, or who's, you know, closed businesses or laid people off, and is an evil bad guy. And that may work

I have to say, I can't find a single unfactual, misleading, judgmental or combative phrase in there. And he seems especially correct in the bolded parts.

Edit: Rereading, I think the AP survey that those numbers came from meant college grads who were unemployed or "underemployed", so you could make the case that unless less than 3.7% of those responding about being un-/under-employed were the "under", then he's wrong.

 

[RR7]

how is saying that the majority of the voting left are people who don't pay income taxes telling the truth, or at all factually correct?

 

[julius]

how is saying that the majority of the voting left are people who don't pay income taxes telling the truth, or at all factually correct?

because if you repeat it enough times, it becomes true.

 

[barfo]

I have to say, I can't find a single unfactual, misleading, judgmental or combative phrase in there. And he seems especially correct in the bolded parts.

Tell me that about this quote.

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

barfo

 

[Masbee]

how is saying that the majority of the voting left are people who don't pay income taxes telling the truth, or at all factually correct?

For starters, because that is not what was said. Try again.

 

[PapaG]

For starters, because that is not what was said. Try again.

Don't even bother.

The Middle East is in a meltdown, the economy is shambles, Obama's policies are proven failures, and the only way to win the election is to go after Romney.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I'm waiting for the hidden camera footage of what many Republicans want to call him.


(psst, it's the 'N' word)

 

[RR7]

For starters, because that is not what was said. Try again.

ok, I'm going off of this quote,

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

47% will vote no matter what for him. They pay no income tax. What did he say then?

 

[BrianFromWA]

how is saying that the majority of the voting left are people who don't pay income taxes telling the truth, or at all factually correct?

Um, the majority of those polled with incomes under $45k (which the IRS says is the point at which most--not all-- pay no income taxes) said they voted for Obama? And the more that you qualify for federal aid, the more inclined a voter was to vote for Obama.

 

[barfo]

Don't even bother.

The Middle East is in a meltdown, the economy is shambles, Obama's policies are proven failures, and the only way to win the election is to destroy Obama.

You haven't been very successful at it, keep trying.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

ok, I'm going off of this quote,



47% will vote no matter what for him. They pay no income tax. What did he say then?

So what about that upsets you? People tend to vote in their own self-interest, and 47% of voters pay no federal income tax. I think the real take-away of making this a big deal is to actually inform the public just how large our free-loader country has gotten under the Obama presidency.

 

[RR7]

Um, the majority of those polled with incomes under $45k (which the IRS says is the point at which most--not all-- pay no income taxes) said they voted for Obama? And the more that you qualify for federal aid, the more inclined a voter was to vote for Obama.

He said 47% will vote for him regardless, which is to say that a good majority of people will vote their party regardless, and there's a small percentage in the middle who will not. And I understand, those are the people he needs to and wants to target. Have no problem with that. But saying the 47% who will vote forhim regardless pay no income tax is saying that the 47% which are democrats who will vote regardless pay no income tax. In the link you provided, only 38% of all voters fell below that income threshhold. Obama did not get all of those votes, and even if it was 100% in his favor, it owul dnot have equaled the 47%.

 

[BrianFromWA]

He said 47% will vote for him regardless, which is to say that a good majority of people will vote their party regardless, and there's a small percentage in the middle who will not. And I understand, those are the people he needs to and wants to target. Have no problem with that. But saying the 47% who will vote forhim regardless pay no income tax is saying that the 47% which are democrats who will vote regardless pay no income tax. In the link you provided, only 38% of all voters fell below that income threshhold. Obama did not get all of those votes, and even if it was 100% in his favor, it owul dnot have equaled the 47%.

Gotcha. He's mixing stats. I think the "facts" are that there are 47% of registered voters who are D's and will vote for the D candidate overwhelmingly, and that Romney's targeting the independents like you said. The IRS (I'll dig up the link) put out that in 2010, iirc, 47% of returns filed had no income tax due (and $45k was right the point where people started paying taxes, depending on one's deductions). So you're right: I disagree with him that the 47% registered D's who will vote for him are 1-for-1 the 47% who pay no taxes. However, I don't think it's wrong to say that the high majority of those non-income-tax-paying 47% are a subset of the 47% of those will vote for him regardless.

Edit: IRS said 45%.

 

[barfo]

Gotcha. He's mixing stats. I think the "facts" are that there are 47% of registered voters who are D's and will vote for the D candidate overwhelmingly,

I don't think that's a fact, although maybe it is a "fact". Wikipedia say 31% D, 27% R, 40% I as of 2011.

barfo

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'd go with "fact", sure.

 

[MickZagger]

Um, the majority of those polled with incomes under $45k (which the IRS says is the point at which most--not all-- pay no income taxes) said they voted for Obama? And the more that you qualify for federal aid, the more inclined a voter was to vote for Obama.

Crazy, the economy is struggling. Yet, the poor people want Obama re-elected. You'd think it'd be the other way around.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Not being argumentative: why would you say that? I'd imagine people who are receiving money and other help from the government without either paying taxes or having to work (and note, I'm not saying that everyone making under 45k falls into that category, but there's a large block of voters who do) will continue to vote for the candidate who'll promise not to take it away, no matter how much it's costing.

 

[MickZagger]

Not being argumentative: why would you say that? I'd imagine people who are receiving money and other help from the government without either paying taxes or having to work (and note, I'm not saying that everyone making under 45k falls into that category, but there's a large block of voters who do) will continue to vote for the candidate who'll promise not to take it away, no matter how much it's costing.

Democrats look out for the middle class. Republican's like to line the pockets of those that are already rich.