Rose Bowl Game Thread (Oregon & Ohio State)

[Haakzilla]

Canzano - who picked the Ducks 42-10 . . . LOL. So John now thinks Masoli is too short? And Pryor is the 2nd coming of Vince Young? Before the game he said if the Ducks win and Masoli plays well they start next season in the top 3 and have a legit Heisman Candidate.

Please. Pryor just turned out to be a bad match up for an Oregon Defense that plays hard, but lacks size and athleticism up front.

Would anybody really want to start NEXT season with Pryor instead of Masoli? Dude was HORRIBLE in in about half of their games this year. If Pryor isn't able to stiff arm slower & weaker DE's, and if he doesn't have all day to throw - the guy stinks. I'll give it up for the guy - he played great tonight. He exploited the weaknesses of our defense really well. But even on his best night ever, he still looked confused at times. He can't go through progressions if his 1st option isn't open, and even though he's fast - he's not very quick and elusive. He didn't make anybody miss, he just stiff armed and broke tackles and you can't do that every week. He sure did do it tonight though. Good for him. But I'll tell you what - if Ohio State asks this guy to throw 37 times a game, he'll have some 1 TD, 4 INT games guaranteed. And Canzano once again puts the flavor of the day up on a pedestal, and takes a shot at a guy he spent the last several weeks building up. Weak.

...and again, the only reason the score was that close was because Pryor missed two EASY TD passes, I'm just saying

 

[mobes23]

He's also played behind a crappy line and didn't have any kind of a receiving corps or running back until this year. The Husky D has also sucked throughout, which meant the team was forced to pass more to try and catch up.

Add that up and factor in one of the toughest schedules in the country and those stats lose their meaning. I'm stuck in Seattle and watched a bunch of games and the guy is an absolute stud. According to sports talk guys up here, he considered OSU and I'd have loved to have seen him in the orange and black.

 

[BrianFromWA]

WRT Locker, the fact that this was the first year he'd ever been coached in anything other than a Wing-T or whatever the heck Willingham ran gives him a bit of leeway in my book. Sarkisian is trying to turn him into a pro quarterback, and what he's picked up just since last December has been night and day.

Another offseason under his belt, and I really like his chances going forward. He has decent rapport with a couple of freshman stud receivers, Polk is a RB Beast, and most of the line is back. I'm super-excited for Navy next year, but pretty interested in what UW can do in the Pac-10.

 

[Kaydow]

...and again, the only reason the score was that close was because Pryor missed two EASY TD passes, I'm just saying

They aren't "Easy" TD passes for him - that's the point.

 

[Public Defender]

Buckeyes were the better team, but the Ducks had chances that they blew. The fumble. The penalties. The defense repeatedly giving up first downs on 3rd and long. And while the game was probably out of reach at the time - not going for it on 4th and 1, and instead going for a long field goal and missing it.

I admit, I bought the hype - I don't follow college FB closely enough to know better - and believed the Ducks would win this game. But at the end of the first quarter, I didn't have the same feeling as during the Civil War, when the Ducks were down, but just seemed "out of sync." The Ducks were being pushed around by a bigger, better team - and when that happens in football (this much I know about college FB), you lose.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

For the record, I can't stand Duck fans, so I always root against their team. I lump the majority of Duck fans in with Lakers', Yankees', and USC fans. Sorry, but UO fanatics come off as elitists and extremely annoying.

I had projected OSU to dominate and win by more than 10. The Buckeyes were the champions of a far superior conference.

UO did better than I expected. They should be proud of their solid season.

Talk of contending for a national championship is laughable though to me. Not going to happen, IMO.

 

[Tince]

I agree that Ohio State played better tonight and deserved to win.

I'm not sure if they played 10 times, Ohio State would win more than 3-4, but they only play one time, and the Buckeyes came better prepared, exexcuted, and didn't shot themselves in the foot. They looked like the team with BCS experience and Oregon looked like a team who didn't know how to preform on the big stage.

Overall, I thought it was an entertaining game, that could have gone either direction.

 

[BrianFromWA]

For the record, I can't stand Duck fans, so I always root against their team. I lump the majority of Duck fans in with Lakers', Yankees', and USC fans. Sorry, but UO fanatics come off as elitists and extremely annoying.
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I definitely don't have a dog in the fight, so I ask: what has UO done in the last 50 years to have "elitist" fans? L*kers have won around 10 championships....Yankees 27. USC won the Pac-10 7 times in a row. What has UO done to have elitist fans?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I believe if they played ten times, you'd see, on average, a wider margin of victory by the Buckeyes. OSU would have continued to eat up the possession clock, continued to methodically move the ball down the field, and make fewer mistakes. Look at the conferences. Big Ten was by far the better conference.

I don't believe UO could have defeated Penn State (beat LSU), Iowa, or Wisconsin (beat Miami) either.

Ducks had a good season, but they were ranked way too high IMO.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I definitely don't have a dog in the fight, so I ask: what has UO done in the last 50 years to have "elitist" fans? L*kers have won around 10 championships....Yankees 27. USC won the Pac-10 7 times in a row. What has UO done to have elitist fans?

You're question doesn't make sense. Their team doesn't have to have national accolades to act in an elitist manner.

 

[BrianFromWA]

what do they do to act "elitist", then? Since they obviously don't have the accolades, why do you have the opinion that they're in the same ballpark as fans of those other teams (and I'd lump in Red Sox, Celtic, Knicks and Bulls fans older than 25 in that group.)

 

[Driew]

I lump the majority of Duck fans in with Lakers', Yankees', and USC fans. Sorry, but UO fanatics come off as elitists and extremely annoying.

Every team has elitists fans. Beaver fanatics are just as elitist and annoying as the Duck fanatics. That's why they're called fanatics. Blazer fanatics are elitist and annoying to other fans for the same reasons. Because we feel like we're entitled to the refs calling fouls against the other team etc.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

what do they do to act "elitist", then? Since they obviously don't have the accolades, why do you have the opinion that they're in the same ballpark as fans of those other teams (and I'd lump in Red Sox, Celtic, Knicks and Bulls fans older than 25 in that group.)

"They", the "majority" of the fans I've interacted with, come across with a holier-than-thou attitude that rubs me the wrong way. "They" inflate their team's relative quality beyond reason. "They" also act, personally, in an elitist manner. Keep in mind this is very subjective, as it's based on my personal experiences. I'm not interested in providing examples. And I'm not of the mind to delve into why "they" act the way they do.

All I know is I enjoy getting together with the majority of my Oregon State fans' friends and have a difficult time hanging with my Oregon fans' friends.

I don't know any Red Sox, Celtic, Knicks or Bulls' fans, so I don't have an opinion on that.

 

[Kaydow]

I believe if they played ten times, you'd see, on average, a wider margin of victory by the Buckeyes. OSU would have continued to eat up the possession clock, continued to methodically move the ball down the field, and make fewer mistakes. Look at the conferences. Big Ten was by far the better conference.

I don't believe UO could have defeated Penn State (beat LSU), Iowa, or Wisconsin (beat Miami) either.

Ducks had a good season, but they were ranked way too high IMO.

Funny you say that. I told my brother that if they played 10 times UO would win 6 or 7. Pryor had the game of his life. What "mistakes" are you referring to? Ohio State played their best game of the year. 1 turnover that ended up being like a punt. The two passes near the end zone Pryor missed he had heavy pressure on him. Don't act like it's out of character for the guy to miss a few throws for crying out loud. He still made a lot more than he has ever before. Plus his misses didn't result in t/o's today. And some of his mistakes even went well for him today. Oregon didn't get beat up at the line of scrimmage (3.0 YPC for OSU and 5.4 for UO) Did they underestimate Pryor? Or did Pryor have the game of his life? Time will tell.

Looking at the Bowl games, you're right - the Big Ten outplayed the Pac-10. Don't discount the overall body of work though. The 5th place team of the Pac-10 beat these Buckeyes this season. So did Purdue, who the Ducks beat.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Every team has elitists fans. Beaver fanatics are just as elitist and annoying as the Duck fanatics. That's why they're called fanatics.

I'm sure you're right. Speaking truthfully though, I haven't come across any Beaver fanatics though that annoyed me in the way that the Ducks' fans that I crossed paths with have.

I didn't mean to touch any nerves. I was only giving a personal observation and reason why I enjoy rooting against the Ducks.

Maybe I should seek counseling. My hatred for the Ducks is now bordering on a fanaticalness generally reserved for the most sinister sports institutions/teams.

 

[Tince]

I'm sure you're right. Speaking truthfully though, I haven't come across any Beaver fanatics though that annoyed me in the way that the Ducks' fans that I crossed paths with have.

I didn't mean to touch any nerves. I was only giving a personal observation and reason why I enjoy rooting against the Ducks.

Maybe I should seek counseling. My hatred for the Ducks is now bordering on a fanaticalness generally reserved for the most sinister sports institutions/teams.

If you like the Beavers more than the Ducks, you're going to have a hard time being as annoyed with a crazy Beaver fan as a crazy Duck fan.

Every fan base has their share of unrealistic homers, I don't think OSU and UofO differ much in that department.

 

[RoyToy]

I believe if they played ten times, you'd see, on average, a wider margin of victory by the Buckeyes. OSU would have continued to eat up the possession clock, continued to methodically move the ball down the field, and make fewer mistakes. Look at the conferences. Big Ten was by far the better conference.

I don't believe UO could have defeated Penn State (beat LSU), Iowa, or Wisconsin (beat Miami) either.

Ducks had a good season, but they were ranked way too high IMO.

Not really. This season before bowl games the Big 10 was 4-7 against other BCS conferences and 4-3 against other BCS conference bowl teams, while the PAC 10 was 6-5 and 6-3. The PAC 10 was also 3-2 against the Big 10 this year straight up.

And Oregon can certainly beat all 3 of those teams you mentioned.

 

[Kaydow]

Not really. This season before bowl games the Big 10 was 4-7 against other BCS conferences and 4-3 against other BCS conference bowl teams, while the PAC 10 was 6-5 and 6-3. The PAC 10 was also 3-2 against the Big 10 this year straight up.

And Oregon can certainly beat all 3 of those teams you mentioned.

The Bowl Games were not an indication of the quality of football that was played in the Pac-10 this season.

 

[Driew]

All I know is I enjoy getting together with the majority of my Oregon State fans' friends and have a difficult time hanging with my Oregon fans' friends.

Well you didn't pick your Oregon fans' friends very well then. Because I've picked OSU fans that are just as chill as my Oregon friends. But I've also run into some H.O.R.R.I.B.L.E. Beaver fans. Just horrible.

Maybe branch out of your elitist/annoying Oregon fan friends and I think you'd be surprised--we're not all like that. Not even 10% of Oregon fans are like you think they are.

I don't know I just don't like generalizations. "My 6 Oregon fan friends are annoying as hell." "I know HATE the Ducks!" Despite my hate for some Beaver fans I was still rooting for the Beavers to win in their bowl game. Simply because both are representing Oregon as a whole. Unfortunately this year Oregon was 0-2 in bowl games.

 

[Haakzilla]

For the record, I can't stand Duck fans, so I always root against their team. I lump the majority of Duck fans in with Lakers', Yankees', and USC fans. Sorry, but UO fanatics come off as elitists and extremely annoying.

I had projected OSU to dominate and win by more than 10. The Buckeyes were the champions of a far superior conference.

UO did better than I expected. They should be proud of their solid season.

Talk of contending for a national championship is laughable though to me. Not going to happen, IMO.

...precisely

 

[Haakzilla]

I agree that Ohio State played better tonight and deserved to win.

I'm not sure if they played 10 times, Ohio State would win more than 3-4

...this is exactly the type of attitude that some of us are referring to

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Funny you say that. I told my brother that if they played 10 times UO would win 6 or 7. Pryor had the game of his life. What "mistakes" are you referring to? Ohio State played their best game of the year. 1 turnover that ended up being like a punt. The two passes near the end zone Pryor missed he had heavy pressure on him. Don't act like it's out of character for the guy to miss a few throws for crying out loud. He still made a lot more than he has ever before. Plus his misses didn't result in t/o's today. And some of his mistakes even went well for him today. Oregon didn't get beat up at the line of scrimmage (3.0 YPC for OSU and 5.4 for UO) Did they underestimate Pryor? Or did Pryor have the game of his life? Time will tell.

Oh. I wasn't speaking solely of Pryor, but the entire OSU team. And by "mistakes" I wasn't referring to turnovers. I wasn't clear. I was meaning that their offense would be even more efficient and defense even more limiting. OSU played a nearly flawless game, but a top-10 team against a top-20 team, IMO could get even more dominating.

Looking at the Bowl games, you're right - the Big Ten outplayed the Pac-10. Don't discount the overall body of work though. The 5th place team of the Pac-10 beat these Buckeyes this season. So did Purdue, who the Ducks beat.

I'm not just looking at the Bowl games. I'm looking at the entire body of work. The Big Ten had three teams with only two losses and a fourth team with three losses. Four of those teams were ranked no lower than 24th. Three of them are currently ranked 8th, 10th, and 11th in the nation. All of those rankings should move up with the exception of Iowa, which we'll know more about later.

Compare that with the body of work from the Pac-10. It's not flattering. Oregon's ranking is inflated by an easier schedule. Single games, especially early in the year, mean very little to me.

 

[Haakzilla]

I definitely don't have a dog in the fight, so I ask: what has UO done in the last 50 years to have "elitist" fans? L*kers have won around 10 championships....Yankees 27. USC won the Pac-10 7 times in a row. What has UO done to have elitist fans?

...mainly, they've all bought into the Nike hype machine +/-

 

[RoyToy]

The Bowl Games were not an indication of the quality of football that was played in the Pac-10 this season.

Oh I know, trust me. I'm just putting the facts out there so people won't say silly things.

 

[Kaydow]

Oh I know, trust me. I'm just putting the facts out there so people won't say silly things.

That won't stop them. If you didn't watch the games all year, and only watched the Bowl Games, that would seem to be the reasonable conclusion (that the Big 10 is better than the Pac 10) We know better.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Not really. This season before bowl games the Big 10 was 4-7 against other BCS conferences and 4-3 against other BCS conference bowl teams, while the PAC 10 was 6-5 and 6-3. The PAC 10 was also 3-2 against the Big 10 this year straight up.

And Oregon can certainly beat all 3 of those teams you mentioned.

Interesting. Thanks for those numbers. When I have time I'll have to review which BCS conferences/teams the Big Ten and Pac 10 played. There are of course worse conferences and worse teams within a conference so throwing out those numbers mean less to me until I put them in more of a context.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Not really. This season before bowl games the Big 10 was 4-7 against other BCS conferences and 4-3 against other BCS conference bowl teams, while the PAC 10 was 6-5 and 6-3. The PAC 10 was also 3-2 against the Big 10 this year straight up.

And Oregon can certainly beat all 3 of those teams you mentioned.

Quick question though. If the PAC 10 is the superior conference, why did it's champion lose to the Big 10 champion? Shouldn't they have beaten them handedly?

Are the BCS rankings so far from reality to have the #8, 10, 11, and 24th best teams in the nation in the Big Ten?

Where would you rank all of these teams now that their seasons are over?

It seems that you're ranking teams by a different criteria than the rest of the nation.

 

[Tince]

...this is exactly the type of attitude that some of us are referring to

Having a differing opinion? I watched the game with a Beaver fan who said the exact same thing, except he said 8 out of 10. The same Beaver fan said he thought the Beavers would probably beat USC 6 out of 10 times after their game in October. Even though I'm not sure if I agreed, I certainly didn't think it was elitist.

If a little comment like that causes people think all Oregon fans are elitist then I might have a different definition of elitist. It appears like there is an extreme sensitivity that easily gets some people riled up about Oregon.

 

[STOMP]

I'm sure you're right. Speaking truthfully though, I haven't come across any Beaver fanatics though that annoyed me in the way that the Ducks' fans that I crossed paths with have.

I didn't mean to touch any nerves. I was only giving a personal observation and reason why I enjoy rooting against the Ducks.

Maybe I should seek counseling. My hatred for the Ducks is now bordering on a fanaticalness generally reserved for the most sinister sports institutions/teams.

you've identified the problem

I've read many a post from Beaver fans this year about how annoying/cocky Duck fans are, yet that just hasn't been what I've been reading here. Recently I reread every single Duck Beaver thread from this past season to confirm this. A vast majority of what trash talking went on here came from Beaver fans. About the only stuff that went the other way was in the Civil War joke thread when tongues were firmly in cheek.

I've no doubt that there are many annoying jerks in the Duck fan base (just as there is for every team) but this is not being demonstrated here. Confronting the fans that are annoying you rather then those that aren't would make more sense.

btw... the better team won yesterday.

STOMP

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm not positive the better team won. They executed better, to be sure. But as I've said, Navy exploited OSU's D for 4 TDs while not even really throwing the ball. If Masoli was having a bad day, UO had a couple of stud runners to grind it out.

I can't remember, would the Blount fumble have put the Ducks up 24-16 if it was a TD? That's a pretty decent game-changer right there.

Good job to tOSU, but it's not like they're that much a better team than the Ducks. They executed at the end when UO didn't.