Roy, Aldridge put at ease...

[Run BJM]

It's amazing how quickly Miller has disrupted this team both on the court and off of the court.

I haven't been keeping track as much as you PDX fans but it would appear to me as though Miller is getting way too much flack for all of this. Like others in this thread have mentioned, Roy and McMillan are the ones who seem delusional to me. If Roy is going to deny any upgrades from Blake then you guys might as well kiss your dreams of getting a ring goodbye. He needs to STFU, act like a true team leader and welcome Andre Miller with open arms.

Sure, Miller may be whiny and lazy but he knows the same thing we all know; he was brought in to START. He was paid like a starter. Everyone outside of Roy, McMillan, and perhaps Blake knows as much. I'm sure McMillan wants to see Miller earn the starting job in camp but can you blame Miller for being upset? The team leader and the coach seem to be playing favorites with Blake when KP was probably telling him that they want him to come here and start and help the team compete for RINGS. Miller shouldn't be such a lazy ass but I would be pissed too if I signed on to be a starter, I've proven over 10 years that I'm a pro and never miss games, and then the coach tells me I'm the backup right away and the team captain puts his support behind the scrub backup who they paid me to replace.

 

[Natebishop3]

I haven't been keeping track as much as you PDX fans but it would appear to me as though Miller is getting way too much flack for all of this. Like others in this thread have mentioned, Roy and McMillan are the ones who seem delusional to me. If Roy is going to deny any upgrades from Blake then you guys might as well kiss your dreams of getting a ring goodbye. He needs to STFU, act like a true team leader and welcome Andre Miller with open arms.

Sure, Miller may be whiny and lazy but he knows the same thing we all know; he was brought in to START. He was paid like a starter. Everyone outside of Roy, McMillan, and perhaps Blake knows as much. I'm sure McMillan wants to see Miller earn the starting job in camp but can you blame Miller for being upset? The team leader and the coach seem to be playing favorites with Blake when KP was probably telling him that they want him to come here and start and help the team compete for RINGS. Miller shouldn't be such a lazy ass but I would be pissed too if I signed on to be a starter, I've proven over 10 years that I'm a pro and never miss games, and then the coach tells me I'm the backup right away and the team captain puts his support behind the scrub backup who they paid me to replace.

Fucking brilliant

 

[axs88]

The more I think about this, the more disappointed it makes me. It was a mistake not to trade Blake. Like with Jack before, the only way you can get Nate to not play favourites is to trade them. He's KP's guy as well, but I'm sure as hell KP didn't envision Nate would start him after he blew probably our last cap space opportunity on Miller.

This might just be another evaluation year. The evaluation of Nate. Roy and Lamarcus are still young pros, and a little bit insecure (doesn't help that one of them just got a big contract and the other is waiting on one). We know Nate is not a great Xs and Os coach. Managing players should be one of his strengths. If he can't drive home the concept that in order to win championships, we need more than the Roy-LMA offense, a change will have to be made, otherwise we will be wasting part of our championship window.

Btw, why the fuck is LMA complaining about shots? He's averaging 12 points in 25 minutes (that comes to about 17 per 36, pretty much equal to his last 2 seasons). He should cherish the opportunity to rest in preseason games, since he will be playing more than 36 minutes a game (hopefully for 90+games) I guess it's probably just the contract.

 

[mgb]

Whenever there is a change usually you get worst before you get better, but once you get better you are better than before the change. I hope that just because of one preseason game Nate isn't ready to throw in the towel on a starting lineup including Oden and Miller. I would like him also try adding Webster. Nate though may not be willing to wait until the Blazers get better with that lineup and most likely would prefer it not being so abrupt of a change instead sticking with what he knows works and slowly allow that lineup to work together and as we get deeper in the season eventually going with that lineup of starters. That way we won't struggle with that change and lose games we might not have loss if we didn't change the starting lineup. That is what I'm hoping is his reasoning.

I do hope he at least starts Oden, but he may not get the chances offensively as a starter with Roy and Aldridge. But once they learn to adjust their game to playing with both Oden and Miller the better it'll be for them in the long run.

 

[mgb]

I haven't been keeping track as much as you PDX fans but it would appear to me as though Miller is getting way too much flack for all of this. Like others in this thread have mentioned, Roy and McMillan are the ones who seem delusional to me. If Roy is going to deny any upgrades from Blake then you guys might as well kiss your dreams of getting a ring goodbye. He needs to STFU, act like a true team leader and welcome Andre Miller with open arms.

Sure, Miller may be whiny and lazy but he knows the same thing we all know; he was brought in to START. He was paid like a starter. Everyone outside of Roy, McMillan, and perhaps Blake knows as much. I'm sure McMillan wants to see Miller earn the starting job in camp but can you blame Miller for being upset? The team leader and the coach seem to be playing favorites with Blake when KP was probably telling him that they want him to come here and start and help the team compete for RINGS. Miller shouldn't be such a lazy ass but I would be pissed too if I signed on to be a starter, I've proven over 10 years that I'm a pro and never miss games, and then the coach tells me I'm the backup right away and the team captain puts his support behind the scrub backup who they paid me to replace.

Nate told Miller at that dinner he envision him coming off the bench. Miller said since then that was then this is now and then later denied he told him that. Every player needs to accept their role including Miller. If we are winning everyone should be happy because that is what it comes down to us winning games.

 

[Tortimer]

Nate told Miller at that dinner he envision him coming off the bench. Miller said since then that was then this is now and then later denied he told him that. Every player needs to accept their role including Miller. If we are winning everyone should be happy because that is what it comes down to us winning games.

Show me link it never happen quit making stuff up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

I really wish Nate would drop the two unit system and have everyone comfortable playing with one another instead of just their respective unit. I'd like to see him make substitutions based on who is playing well, rather than set substitutions. It always bothered me if Nic or Greg were playing well, they would be pulled at the same time as if they were playing poorly.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I really wish Nate would drop the two unit system and have everyone comfortable playing with one another instead of just their respective unit. I'd like to see him make substitutions based on who is playing well, rather than set substitutions. It always bothered me if Nic or Greg were playing well, they would be pulled at the same time as if they were playing poorly.

Yes. the two unit system works in college ball, but not as much in the NBA. Portland has two stars in Roy and Aldridge. One of them needs to be on the floor at all times. Nate actually started to do this later last season.

 

[LittleAlex]

It's amazing how quickly Miller has disrupted this team both on the court and off of the court.

What is amazing is that folks are believing what they read in the Oregonian.

Quick is a joke. Canzano is worse. Freeman just plays along.

 

[PapaG]

What is amazing is that folks are believing what they read in the Oregonian.

Quick is a joke. Canzano is worse. Freeman just plays along.

I think you have me confused with someone else. I only beleive the perceptions/opinions of anonymous posters who read the actual quotes in the Oregonian. I wouldn't know what to think if not for the brilliant analysis on this board and others.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I haven't been keeping track as much as you PDX fans but it would appear to me as though Miller is getting way too much flack for all of this. Like others in this thread have mentioned, Roy and McMillan are the ones who seem delusional to me. If Roy is going to deny any upgrades from Blake then you guys might as well kiss your dreams of getting a ring goodbye. He needs to STFU, act like a true team leader and welcome Andre Miller with open arms.

Sure, Miller may be whiny and lazy but he knows the same thing we all know; he was brought in to START. He was paid like a starter. Everyone outside of Roy, McMillan, and perhaps Blake knows as much. I'm sure McMillan wants to see Miller earn the starting job in camp but can you blame Miller for being upset? The team leader and the coach seem to be playing favorites with Blake when KP was probably telling him that they want him to come here and start and help the team compete for RINGS. Miller shouldn't be such a lazy ass but I would be pissed too if I signed on to be a starter, I've proven over 10 years that I'm a pro and never miss games, and then the coach tells me I'm the backup right away and the team captain puts his support behind the scrub backup who they paid me to replace.

Well said, thank you!

I love Roy and Blake is a solid enough guy, but this team is never going to get past the second round when all it does is iso Roy on the high pick and roll and only he handles the ball. Roy has shown little ability to feed Oden the ball to date and even when he finds our only big with an offensive game (LMA) it's for a pick and pop where LaMarcus takes an 15 to 18 foot shot.

I'm not saying we should ask Roy to completely alter his game, but he has to get better at the catch and shoot and continue to round out his game if this team is going to take the next step, relying on Blake like a security blanket because he plays the one like an undersized two guard just isn't going to cut it when this team can't get their number one pick center going -- who has shown that he put in a considerable amount of work on his offensive game over the summer.

Miller makes Oden better, he should have the ability to make Roy better by getting him easier shots and taking some of the burden off of him to be the team's lone playmaker ... everyone on this team just needs to fucking shut up and play.

 

[mgb]

Show me link it never happen quit making stuff up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I've never made anything up posting on any board I've ever been on. I may be mistaken about this, but I'm not making it up. I thought it was in a article, I'm hoping it was, it might have been something someone else posted, but I know I read it somewhere. I will do a search and try to find it. But it's BS you accusing me of making stuff up which sounds like I do it often even if I did make this up which I didn't.

 

[PapaG]

I've never made anything up posting on any board I've ever been on. I may be mistaken about this, but I'm not making it up. I thought it was in a article, I'm hoping it was, it might have been something someone else posted, but I know I read it somewhere. I will do a search and try to find it. But it's BS you accusing me of making stuff up which sounds like I do it often even if I did make this up which I didn't.

You didn't make it up. It was posted in one of these Miller threads. I'd search for it, but I know you are correct, so I won't.

 

[hasoos]

Sure they should. Even Michael Jordan was forced to adjust when Phil Jackson took over as coach of the Bulls. The team should be built around maximizing the performance of the whole team, not just one or two players, no matter who those players are. Naturally, getting that best team performance will involve heavy featuring of your best player(s), but the always changing personnel of an NBA team means that the stars also need to adapt, to allow for that supporting cast to also be best used. A star player who can only be successful or comfortable with a single mode of operation is a lot less valuable.

Roy and/or Aldridge may not be comfortable with the way the offense runs right now since it's different than last year, but that's what pre-season is for. To learn how the team is going to play and get comfortable.

If in December, Roy and/or Aldridge are still not comfortable (and it seems to be impacting the team's offensive efficiency), I'll be worried.

Dude WTF were you watching? 2/3 of the team scoring was focused on 3 guys. Jordan, Pippen and Kukoch. Those 3 put down 80 points a game, and the defense they played held their opponents to a little over 80 points a game. That meant the bench only had to put up about 10 points and they won.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

Dude WTF were you watching? 2/3 of the team scoring was focused on 3 guys. Jordan, Pippen and Kukoch. Those 3 put down 80 points a game, and the defense they played held their opponents to a little over 80 points a game. That meant the bench only had to put up about 10 points and they won.

1. Kukoc wasn't on the team when Phil Jackson initially took over, which is what Minstrel said Jordan had to adjust to.

2. Even in their record breaking year, they held their opponents to 92 PPG and Jordan, Pippen and Kukoc averaged about 63 PPG (105 for the team). I think you are underestimating the role players of those teams. Sure those three players were the only ones to average double-digit scoring, but they were also 2 of the only 3 players to average more than 30 MPG (Kukoc averaged 26 and Rodman 32). Hell, if you look at per 36 numbers, damn near the entire team averaged double figures, which tells me the ENTIRE team was effective when they were playing.

 

[LittleAlex]

Dude WTF were you watching? 2/3 of the team scoring was focused on 3 guys. Jordan, Pippen and Kukoch. Those 3 put down 80 points a game, and the defense they played held their opponents to a little over 80 points a game. That meant the bench only had to put up about 10 points and they won.

I belive Minstrel is talking about the Bulls prior to Jackson.

During that time I remember Jordan really dominating the ball.

After Jackson he did distribute more which really meant he actually passed the ball on occation.

 

[BlazerWookee]

thats the nice article from quick

translation....


its a fucking mess

 

[Tortimer]

I've never made anything up posting on any board I've ever been on. I may be mistaken about this, but I'm not making it up. I thought it was in a article, I'm hoping it was, it might have been something someone else posted, but I know I read it somewhere. I will do a search and try to find it. But it's BS you accusing me of making stuff up which sounds like I do it often even if I did make this up which I didn't.

I didn't mean to imply you make stuff and I have never seen anything but the truth from you on this or the old Blazer forum. You were just posting all over this board yesterday that Nate told Miller at the dinner meeting that he wouldn't start but would come off the bench. I have never seen anyhting else about this except what you keep saying. Miller himself said he wouldn't have signed if Nate would have told him that. So, I would like to see a link to where ever you saw this. It seems like a lot of people on this forum are trying to make Miller out the bad guy here and I just don't think it is right when you look at the truth/facts.

 

[Tortimer]

You didn't make it up. It was posted in one of these Miller threads. I'd search for it, but I know you are correct, so I won't.

Ok go ahead and you find the link about where Nate told Miller at the dinner meeting that he would come off the bench and wouldn't start. There might be someone else saying that on this forum but there is no truth to that from anything that I have heard or read.

 

[B-Roy]

Ok go ahead and you find the link about where Nate told Miller at the dinner meeting that he would come off the bench and wouldn't start. There might be someone else saying that on this forum but there is no truth to that from anything that I have heard or read.

For starters, McMillan said he was as blunt as he could be when the team recruited Miller during a Las Vegas dinner this summer. He told him then that he envisioned Miller coming off the bench, running pick and rolls with Oden and funneling fast-break passes to Fernandez and Webster streaking on the wings.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/10/blazers_insider_mcmillan_faces.html

 

[anonymous gambler]

Personally, I think it's misplaced to worry too much about the bench unit- there are 48 minutes in a game, starters will play about 36 minutes- so the bench play counts for about 25% of the game. Aldridge/Roy/Oden should be fairly noncontroversial as starters.

In assessing Miller/Blake or Webster/Batum- we should really be asking, who do we want on the floor for 30 plus minutes. I prefer Miller over Blake, but if Blake is just a nominal starter with 15 to 20 minutes like Batum was, then it's not a huge issue to me.

 

[Tortimer]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/10/blazers_insider_mcmillan_faces.html

I have to apologize to MGB. Now I do have to wonder about Miller then. Miller has said Nate never said that at the dinner meeting. It just doesn't make sense to me that Nate would say that when your trying to get someone to sign or that Miller would sign here knowing that but maybe it is true. It just doesn't sound right to me. If it is I think we need to do something about Miller but not sure what. I would be all for just trading him or bringing him off the bench like many people want even though he is way better then Blake IMO.

 

[PapaG]

I have to apologize to MGB. Now I do have to wonder about Miller then. Miller has said Nate never said that at the dinner meeting. It just doesn't make sense to me that Nate would say that when your trying to get someone to sign or that Miller would sign here knowing that but maybe it is true. It just doesn't sound right to me. If it is I think we need to do something about Miller but not sure what. I would be all for just trading him or bringing him off the bench like many people want even though he is way better then Blake IMO.

As I said, I wasn't going to search for it because I knew that mgb was correct.

 

[Tortimer]

As I said, I wasn't going to search for it because I knew that mgb was correct.

I'm sorry you were right.

 

[PapaG]

I'm sorry you were right.

No need to be sorry, tortimer.

 

[mgb]

You didn't make it up. It was posted in one of these Miller threads. I'd search for it, but I know you are correct, so I won't.

Thank you. I couldn't believe no one else remembered this. I might of incorrectly assume it was from a article, but that's the worse I did.

 

[mgb]

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/10/blazers_insider_mcmillan_faces.html

Thank you for finding that. I was doubting my own memory and thought maybe it was just in a post. I had search for it for a while, but then I had company and the whole time it bugged me! Thanks again!

 

[mgb]

I have to apologize to MGB. Now I do have to wonder about Miller then. Miller has said Nate never said that at the dinner meeting. It just doesn't make sense to me that Nate would say that when your trying to get someone to sign or that Miller would sign here knowing that but maybe it is true. It just doesn't sound right to me. If it is I think we need to do something about Miller but not sure what. I would be all for just trading him or bringing him off the bench like many people want even though he is way better then Blake IMO.

I'm waiting.

 

[Tortimer]

I'm waiting.

I'm sorry and you were right. I will never question you again and please accept my apology.

 

[mgb]

I'm sorry and you were right. I will never question you again and please accept my apology.

Hahah, apology accepted.