ROY comments on our offense - is there a problem here?

[Blazinaway]

Dang, this is not the kind of stuff I wanted to hear. Time to Nate to assert himself a bit perhaps?


Are you comfortable with the offensive sets up to this point?
With the offense we've been running, nah, because that's not really my style. We'll get more towards my style of play when we get towards the regular season.

What do you mean by your style?

More pick and rolls. More isolation plays. Right now we're doing a lot of powering, a lot of coming off screens. A lot of crossing. I think that's going to be more of the second string's offense. And the starters will play something different.

Do you think the offense will return to like it was last year?

Last year I thought it was different from 2 years before, just with adding 'Dre. I think we're going to continue some of that from last year but try to get back maybe from a couple of years ago, before 'Dre came, where I get the ball a little bit more. I want the basketball a lot more.

 

[ABM]

Plus, he want on to say in so many words, "If 'Dre doesn't like it (Brandon getting the ball more), then tough squid."

 

[andalusian]

Great news. He is the team's best player, it's OK to expand the offensive game plan - but it's dumb to force him away from his strength.

 

[THE HCP]

I wonder if he realizes he is already peaked and won't make the all-star game this year.

 

[Blazinaway]

Great news. He is the team's best player, it's OK to expand the offensive game plan - but it's dumb to force him away from his strength.

Ya don't think he needs to try and help make everyone else better and work within a system designed to do that? ISO ball won't get you out of the first rd, we have found that out, and we can't just decide to change our offense at playoff time. Sorry, but he needs to adjust some, this is not a good sign for happening that IMO.

 

[BGrantFan]

Great news. He is the team's best player, it's OK to expand the offensive game plan - but it's dumb to force him away from his strength.

Repped. It baffles me why some people think that Roy should go away from his strengths. He's a 3-time All-Star, 2-time All-NBA, and he's supposed to adapt to Andre Miller, who clearly hasn't changed his game one bit?

EDIT - can't rep until some is spread around.

 

[BGrantFan]

Ya don't think he needs to try and help make everyone else better and work within a system designed to do that? ISO ball won't get you out of the first rd, we have found that out, and we can't just decide to change our offense at playoff time. Sorry, but he needs to adjust some, this is not a good sign for happening that IMO.

Well, once. In Roy's first playoff series, where he had a 26 PER and got no help from anybody outside of Aldridge and Blake.

 

[Blazinaway]

Repped. It baffles me why some people think that Roy should go away from his strengths. He's a 3-time All-Star, 2-time All-NBA, and he's supposed to adapt to Andre Miller, who clearly hasn't changed his game one bit?

EDIT - can't rep until some is spread around.

how bout adapting more to his team as well, he'll get his, but you don't think we can have a better offense where he helps others get there's and the whole team is better?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Repped. It baffles me why some people think that Roy should go away from his strengths. He's a 3-time All-Star, 2-time All-NBA, and he's supposed to adapt to Andre Miller, who clearly hasn't changed his game one bit?

EDIT - can't rep until some is spread around.

Except if Roy was a Rocket or a Laker he'd still be an All-Star and All-NBA, IMHO.

An ISO heavy offense is too easy to defend against in the playoffs.

 

[BGrantFan]

how bout adapting more to his team as well, he'll get his, but you don't think we can have a better offense where he helps others get there's and the whole team is better?

He averages 5 assists per game on a fairly low usage rate. If he's actually healthy, I'd like to see his usage rate in the low 30s, like a Kobe Bryant or a Dwyane Wade. People talk about "iso" offense and Roy dominating the ball, but I just don't see it considering Roy's usage rate is around 26. His highest rate was in 2008-09, when a young team won 54 games, Roy was 2nd-team All-NBA, and his usage rate was 27.4.

By comparison, Wade's was 36.2, and Bryant's was 32.2 that year. If anything, Nate is underutilizing a healthy Roy, IMO.

 

[BGrantFan]

Except if Roy was a Rocket or a Laker he'd still be an All-Star and All-NBA, IMHO.

An ISO heavy offense is too easy to defend against in the playoffs.

I'd argue that a slow-paced offense is easier to defend. I also don't see the Blazers as being iso-heavy.

 

[RoyToy]

Are you comfortable with the offensive sets up to this point?
With the offense we've been running, nah, because that's not really my style. We'll get more towards my style of play when we get towards the regular season.

Who would have thought? You mean the team was indeed tinkering around because it's only preseason? No way!

 

[Mediocre Man]

More pick and rolls. More isolation plays.

And there it is.

Choo Choo

 

[Bob Dobalina]

Is my memory off, or is this an about-face from what he was saying a few weeks ago? Wasn't he talking about how he worked on moving without the ball, etc during the off-season?

 

[illmatic99]

Heard that Roy on 95.5 said that if Miller is affected by this attitude, Brandon replied that Dre would just have to "deal with it, because I'm getting the ball more."

Is that true?!

 

[BGrantFan]

Is my memory off, or is this an about-face from what he was saying a few weeks ago? Wasn't he talking about how he worked on moving without the ball, etc during the off-season?

He was. Hopefully he's realized that he's not Rip Hamilton, and that Andre Miller is not Chauncey Billups. Only in Portland would people demand the most dynamic and multi-faceted guard we've had since Clyde Drexler change his game for a 34 year-old PG who has never been out of the first round.

To me, it's ludicrous.

 

[RoyToy]

Heard that Roy on 95.5 said that if Miller is affected by this attitude, Brandon replied that Dre would just have to "deal with it, because I'm getting the ball more."

Is that true?!

If it is true, while Roy is correct, saying it over the air like that would be wrong, which kind of makes me think it might not be true.

If it is...

 

[blazerboy30]

He was. Hopefully he's realized that he's not Rip Hamilton, and that Andre Miller is not Chauncey Billups. Only in Portland would people demand the most dynamic and multi-faceted guard we've had since Clyde Drexler change his game for a 34 year-old PG who has never been out of the first round.

To me, it's ludicrous.

Kobe had to modify his game before his teams started winning without Shaq. It isn't ludicrous to think that a TEAM can be better by having its star player's individual stats decrease.

PS. Roy has never been out of the first round either, since you love to throw that out there like it is proof that Miller isn't a good PG.

 

[BGrantFan]

If it is true, while Roy is correct, saying it over the air like that would be wrong, which kind of makes me think it might not be true.

If it is...

Or, the reclusive Miller has finally turned off all of his teammates, including the franchise player.

It wouldn't be the first time for Miller, would it? He has less of a shelf-life than a Twinkie in any given NBA city.

 

[Blazinaway]

He was. Hopefully he's realized that he's not Rip Hamilton, and that Andre Miller is not Chauncey Billups. Only in Portland would people demand the most dynamic and multi-faceted guard we've had since Clyde Drexler change his game for a 34 year-old PG who has never been out of the first round.

To me, it's ludicrous.

What's ludicrous is that you keep saying it's about him changing for Andre Miller, it's about him changing for the entire team - can you get that?

 

[Minstrel]

It wouldn't be the first time for Miller, would it? He has less of a shelf-life than a Twinkie in any given NBA city.

His Philadelphia teammates seemed pretty unhappy to see him go. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he's turned off all his teammates at every stop.

 

[BGrantFan]

Kobe had to modify his game before his teams started winning without Shaq. It isn't ludicrous to think that a TEAM can be better by having its star player's individual stats decrease.

PS. Roy has never been out of the first round either, since you love to throw that out there like it is proof that Miller isn't a good PG.

How did Bryant "modify" his game? His usage rate was lower during the Shaq years than it's been during their repeat.

Hey, if you want to depend on Andre Miller, go for it. As far as I am concerned, I'll take Brandon Roy with the ball in his hands over Andre Miller any time I can get it.

 

[BGrantFan]

His Philadelphia teammates seemed pretty unhappy to see him go. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he's turned off all his teammates at every stop.

Did they? I wouldn't know. Philly hasn't been on my radar since Iverson played there.

 

[BGrantFan]

What's ludicrous is that you keep saying it's about him changing for Andre Miller, it's about him changing for the entire team - can you get that?

Why does he need to change for the entire team? The team won 54 games with Roy playing like Roy should, and it took Houston to 6 games. It wasn't Roy's fault that Oden and Przy sucked against Houston, Outlaw, Batum, and Rudy disappeared, and Yao dominated the paint.

I want my All-NBA player to play like an All-NBA player. If the players around him don't fit, then that is the fault of the GM. As it stands now, one move has been made over the summer. What was the point of changing the GM, if the team stays pretty much the same?

 

[Blazinaway]

How did Bryant "modify" his game? His usage rate was lower during the Shaq years than it's been during their repeat.

Hey, if you want to depend on Andre Miller, go for it. As far as I am concerned, I'll take Brandon Roy with the ball in his hands over Andre Miller any time I can get it.

Why do you keep defining the argument to Roy vs Miller when it really about making the TEAM better? probably because it's the only way you can even try to defend your position.

 

[Minstrel]

Did they? I wouldn't know. Philly hasn't been on my radar since Iverson played there.

There were a couple of quoted Sixers players who's reaction to Miller signing with Portland was something along the lines of "Wow, that's bad news for us." Iguodala is the one I remember most, I forget the other.

I don't think it's a question of "depending" on Miller instead of Roy. It's a question of Portland's best player seeing if he's capable of playing in more than one way, because the more ways he can be effective, the more ways Portland can attack defenses as a team. Bryant doesn't merely ISO and pick-and-roll...he plays off the ball a lot and the Lakers design plays for him to come off screens and catch and shoot. Jordan had tons of catch-and-shoot plays where he was off the ball.

The idea that playing off the ball means being "Rip Hamilton" is fairly simplistic. The greatest perimeter scorers have had that in their game. Granted, Roy may not be good enough to be able to do that at a high level in addition to what he already has proven good at...but I think it's rational to see if he can. It widens the scope of what Portland can do if Roy proves deadly off the ball in addition to as primary ball-handler.

 

[blazerboy30]

How did Bryant "modify" his game? His usage rate was lower during the Shaq years than it's been during their repeat.

Struggling with the reading comprehension, eh? Look at the stats since AFTER Shaq left, not INCLUDING when Shaq played. Try to keep up.

Hey, if you want to depend on Andre Miller, go for it. As far as I am concerned, I'll take Brandon Roy with the ball in his hands over Andre Miller any time I can get it.

I want to depend on a solid TEAM with a great / really good player leading. I don't want to rely on one player, which is what you clearly want. No teams win championships with that strategy, so good luck.

 

[BGrantFan]

Why do you keep defining the argument to Roy vs Miller when it really about making the TEAM better? probably because it's the only way you can even try to defend your position.

Because that is the way the argument in general has been defined in this thread. I've "defended my position" (the insane one of letting the All-NBA player have the ball as much as possible) in more ways than just Roy vs. Miller.

What could Roy do better than he did in 2008-09, other than handle the ball more than he did during the season?

 

[noknobs]

so is there a link or something?

At any rate, none of this bothers me as much as the fact that Dante's favorite movie is 'The Little Mermaid'...

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2010/10/meet_the_trail_blazers_favorit.html

 

[BGrantFan]

Struggling with the reading comprehension, eh.

Taking a page from you, I guess.