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STOMP said:
too small time. His buyout will amount to just about the same as his entire rookie deal... the only money he's going to make is endorsement $. Normally I look down on players trying to force themselves into larger markets because of my Blazer fandom, but with Rubio's case I understand. The kid is going to generate millions and should at least get some scratch.
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I don't buy the premise of your argument. For one thing, LeBron James plays in Cleveland, which is not exactly a glamorous NBA destination, and yet he makes millions in endorsements. Also, the kid will be able to buy out his old contract before his first one in the NBA is over. He'll get his chance to make millions if he stays in the league, and if he turns out to be any good.
 
I think it is ridiculous for him to be dictating where he gets to play when he hasn't shown anything in the league yet. He seems like an arrogant jerk, would not want him to play in Portland and I will always root against him because of this. He needs to grow a pair.
 
Shooter said:
I don't buy the premise of your argument. For one thing, LeBron James plays in Cleveland, which is not exactly a glamorous NBA destination, and yet he makes millions in endorsements. Also, the kid will be able to buy out his old contract before his first one in the NBA is over. He'll get his chance to make millions if he stays in the league, and if he turns out to be any good.
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Thats fine, though my premise is really more of a set of facts then an opinion. You can find it rubs you the wrong way and really really want things to be different but they are still facts. 4.5M of his own money is required for the buyout... I'd guess that he'll have to borrow that $$$. As the #6 pick he'll make a little over 3M a year before taxes. His agent will take 10% or so of that. Many rookie deals contain team option outs (like the 2008 #6 pick KLove's) after the first and second years. Many talented young players have had their promising careers derailed by injury... Jayson Williams and Shaun Livingston come to mind. If he were to sustain a devastating injury he could conceivably be in the hole to the tune of millions. Of course he could do a Lloyds of London insurance deal to assure that this doesn't happen, but of course they'd take a healthy cut to do so.

Going to a major market boosts any star players endorsements considerably, that would be very true of LeBron as well. I understand that it's common for guy's shoe deals to double and even triple if they're dealt to a top 3 market. Again, I don't begrudge RR going for those dollars because of his unique situation and selfishly I just want to see him playing in the league.

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He sputtered in the Olympics, can't shoot, yet wants to call his shots in the NBA.

What a diva. I wouldn't touch him with a ten-foot pole.
 
Shooter said:
Rubio is an idiot. He flies all the way over here to attend the draft, then decides he's not coming because he doesn't like the team that drafted him? And if this is the case, why didn't he say so when he was interviewed after his selection?

If I were Minnesota, I would keep his rights and let him rot in Europe.
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Funny on a couple of levels.

One, in his interview they hadn't yet drafted another PG.
Two, he's "rotted" himself into the Spanish Olympic team, starting for his club in Spain, and having the ability to go wherever in the world he wants to in 2011 for at least a guaranteed 4M/yr for 3 years.
He's the one with the leverage here. And he has every right to use it.
 
STOMP said:
too small time. His buyout will amount to just about the same as his entire rookie deal... the only money he's going to make is endorsement $. Normally I look down on players trying to force themselves into larger markets because of my Blazer fandom, but with Rubio's case I understand. The kid is going to generate millions and should at least get some scratch.

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I can't think of a current European athlete playing in the USA who is a major endorser in the USA. Rubio's marketing opportunities lie in Spain, so it really doesn't matter where he plays. It's not like he's going to get his own shoe line; the US market in general couldn't care less about what products a Spaniard is pushing, and Rubio will struggle his first 2 or 3 years in the NBA anyhow.

I just don't see many US companies in this economy lining up to pay Rubio a lot of endorsement money.
 
Shooter said:
Uh, if the kid wanted to stay in "gorgeous" Madrid, he wouldn't have flown to New York to attend the draft. He would have stayed in Madrid.

By the way, nothing against Madrid. I've been there and it's very nice. But it's not exactly the center of the basketball world.
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He did think he was going to go in the top three, so he did loose some money in that way.

One of the Euroleague team that is in talks with is Real Madrid. They can actually pay his entire buyout if they feel like it.

Were I Rubio, I would stay in Europe until I become a free agent. If he is as good as they say he is, he would sign in the NBA for huge money at that point.
 
LittleAlex said:
He did think he was going to go in the top three, so he did loose some money in that way.

One of the Euroleague team that is in talks with is Real Madrid. They can actually pay his entire buyout if they feel like it.

Were I Rubio, I would stay in Europe until I become a free agent. If he is as good as they say he is, he would sign in the NBA for huge money at that point.
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How does that work under the CBA? Has it changed since Sabas was drafted? I ask because Portland retained Sabas' rights for years until he finally joined the team. It's my understanding that as long as Rubio is paid to play in a year, in any league in the world, the T-Wolves hold his NBA rights.
 
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PapaG said:
How does that work under the CBA? Has it changed since Sabas was drafted? I ask because Portland retained Sabas' rights for years until he finally joined the team.
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He can be a free agent, I believe, either by sitting out a year from any pro basketball and reaching a certain age that makes him no longer draft-eligible or by reaching that age and having Minnesota renounce his rights.

Considering they just invested a top-five pick in him, it seems unlikely that they'd ever just renounce him, but he will have a #5 draft pick caphold for them every off-season if they do just hold his rights.
 
Minstrel said:
He can be a free agent, I believe, either by sitting out a year from any pro basketball and reaching a certain age that makes him no longer draft-eligible or by reaching that age and having Minnesota renounce his rights.

Considering they just invested a top-five pick in him, it seems unlikely that they'd ever just renounce him, but he will have a #5 draft pick caphold for them every off-season if they do just hold his rights.
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I think his only option is to sit out a year. It's my understanding that the T-Wolves hold his NBA rights indefinitely as long as he is being paid to play ball.
 
PapaG said:
I think his only option is to sit out a year. It's my understanding that the T-Wolves hold his NBA rights indefinitely as long as he is being paid to play ball.
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The "and reaching a certain age" was connected to his sitting out a year, not an alternative option. Regardless of anything, he cannot be a free agent until he reaches a certain age, I believe. Even if Minnesota renounced his rights today.

He has to A. reach the age that makes him no longer draft eligible and B. no longer have his rights held by an NBA team.

(B) can be accomplished two ways: sitting out a year or Minnesota renouncing his rights.
 
Minstrel said:
The "and reaching a certain age" was connected to his sitting out a year, not an alternative option. Regardless of anything, he cannot be a free agent until he reaches a certain age, I believe. Even if Minnesota renounced his rights today.

He has to A. reach the age that makes him no longer draft eligible and B. no longer have his rights held by an NBA team.

(B) can be accomplished two ways: sitting out a year or Minnesota renouncing his rights.
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Aha. Thanks for the info. I highly doubt he'll want to sit out an entire year during his prime. He has the leverage now, but if he wants to play in the NBA and prove he's one of the best players in the world, it's going to be either with or through Minnesota.
 
PapaG said:
I think his only option is to sit out a year. It's my understanding that the T-Wolves hold his NBA rights indefinitely as long as he is being paid to play ball.
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It would be tough for him to become an NBA free agent, without sacrificing a year out of his career.

He can, however, become a free agent in *Europe* by riding out his current contract. Then he can come to the NBA without going into debt to do it!
 
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