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That was MY replay!!!!! I hope they keep him!
 
MARIS61 said:
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That was his greatest moment as a Blazer. I don't know what happened to him and it wasn't Nate's fault. Rudy is an asshole. He was given a starting job in the playoffs to show who he was as a player and he didn't just blow it. He didn't even try. Sad.
 
OK, so what do you want from the Bulls? Reportedly we're offering James Johnson, but I don't see that as making much sense for you.

If we were serious, I think simply a future #1 is the most obvious choice. And I don't see the Knicks or Celtics offering much more than that either.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Nate from Quick's article: http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2010/07/trail_blazers_looking_for_a_fa.html



Say what you like about Nate and his coaching style, but he pretty much nails it with that. Just like Martell, Rudy is a player most effective when he's given lots of shots and lots of minutes, and those were never going to be in abundance with Brandon Roy and Nic Batum ahead of him on the depth chart.
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Can't wait to watch RF5 flourish under a coach that knows how to take advantage of a players strengths instead of a coach who trys to make a roster full of players fit into his scheme.
 
OddEnormous said:
Can't wait to watch RF5 flourish under a coach that knows how to take advantage of a players strengths instead of a coach who trys to make a roster full of players fit into his scheme.
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The way Sergio set the league on fire under D'antoni?

Rudy played very well for Nate in his first year. I doubt very much this is a Nate issue, to be honest, it was either an injury problem or Rudy quit on the team.
 
OddEnormous said:
Can't wait to watch RF5 flourish under a coach that knows how to take advantage of a players strengths instead of a coach who trys to make a roster full of players fit into his scheme.
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Plays don't make players, players make plays.

As for Rudy I expect he'll rebound a little when he's not feeling so down and out, but he's already 25, he's got no left hand, he has no in-between game, he's great at playing the passing lanes on defense, but man-to-man he's a major liability.

I predict he'll top out as a 16 PER player in his prime who can probably hit the long ball at around 40%, but probably won't ever make an all-star game, might win a sixth man title but will probably go back to Spain where he can make more money, be closer to family and be a "star"
 
barfo said:
That's actually a very good use of the word "symbiotic". Living together, but not necessarily in a way that benefits each party.

barfo
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I'm starting to see Rudy as "parasitic", though.
 
Here are the latest with Boston and New York.

Cho has backed off to say he is not in any hurry to trade Rudy. Basically Cho is waiting to see if Boston or NY Knicks will change their offers.

Boston
Boston isn't sure they are willing to give up two 1st round picks as they are countering with a 1st & 2nd round picks. Basically Boston is getting two good role players in Rudy Fernandez and Joel Przybilla.

The problem for Boston is they haven't found any better free agents or better players from other teams willing to take back Rasheed Wallace contract for an exception. With Kendrick Perkins out 6-7 months with a torn ACL, the Celtics need a center and Joel would fix that problem.

Here is the "rumored" offer by Portland:

$8.65M - Rudy Fernandez, Joel Przybilla and Portland 2011 2nd to Boston
$7.08M - Rasheed Wallace, Tony Gaffney, 2011 & 2013 1st round picks (both picks lottery protected over several years) to Portland

New York
Right now the offer is less thrilling as NY offers a 1st round pick in 2014 and Toney Douglas. Portland wants Anthony Randolph and New York is thinking about it, but hasn't approved any deals yet.
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Update.

All credit goes to Discovery69 from the Clubblazers forum.
 
$8.65M - Rudy Fernandez, Joel Przybilla and Portland 2011 2nd to Boston
$7.08M - Rasheed Wallace, Tony Gaffney, 2011 & 2013 1st round picks (both picks lottery protected over several years) to Portland
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Am I missing something here? How does this benefit the Blazers at all, or make them better next year? That's the worst fucking trade I've ever seen. Wallace retires, Gaffney is worthless, the 1st round picks aren't in the lottery, and Joel leaves without frontcourt help in return?
 
Anthony Randolph would be a coup. I think adding him to our roster would give us a great asset to bring off our bench, or another guy that we could throw at New Orleans. Would it mean that we would have to give up Joel? If not, I think we could still put together a nice deal to try to pry away Collison.

Rudy and Pendergraph for Randolph.

Joel, Bayless, and Cunningham for Collison and Posey.

That gives us a roster of:

Miller/Collison/Johnson
Roy/Matthews/Williams
Batum/Posey/Babbitt
Aldridge/Randolph
Oden/Camby

That's an insane team right there. Good vets, with plenty of experience, but also a good core of young guys too.

My nine man rotation would be Miller, Roy, Batum, Aldridge, Oden, Camby, Collison, Matthews, and Randolph. Camby, Randolph, and Matthews can all play two positions. Collison would be groomed to take over the point from Miller in two years, maybe sooner.
 
Well, just for fun, let's say that it's a precursor to a deal for CP3 (I mean, isn't that what we want to talk about anyway?). Let's say that the Hornets want some immediate cap relief, so Wallace gets moved along in a trade for Posey, retires and cuts about $6.5M off the Hornets' payroll this year. The Blazers then package Miller, Bayless, Batum & change for CP3.
 
e_blazer said:
Well, just for fun, let's say that it's a precursor to a deal for CP3 (I mean, isn't that what we want to talk about anyway?). Let's say that the Hornets want some immediate cap relief, so Wallace gets moved along in a trade for Posey, retires and cuts about $6.5M off the Hornets' payroll this year. The Blazers then package Miller, Bayless, Batum & change for CP3.
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Stern would never allow that to hapen. I don't even think I'd feel comfortable with that blatant attempt to circumvent the CBA.
 
BGrantFan said:
Stern would never allow that to hapen. I don't even think I'd feel comfortable with that blatant attempt to circumvent the CBA.
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Why is that a circumvention of the CBA?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Why is that a circumvention of the CBA?

barfo
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Well, if it's a 3-way deal, I guess it isn't. Perhaps I read eblazer's post wrong. I read it as bringing in Wallace, then fliping him as soon as is allowed. I also don't see why Boston would let Portland do that to get Chris Paul if it indeed a 3-way deal.
 
Fuck that! Bring in my dawg Sheed and start him! Bench LA! CTC baby!!!!!!!!!!!
 
HCP said:
Fuck that! Bring in my dawg Sheed and start him! Bench LA! CTC baby!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm for that. A platoon of LMA and Sheed would be great.

barfo
 
All I want to see is Sheed retire as a Blazer closing is press conference with the immortal words, "God Bless and Good Night".
 
Some of you are overlooking the possibility of Sheed really wanted to stick it to his old team. He could retire before we get a chance to trade him, thus making his contract worthless, and sticking us with a terrible trade when others were on the table.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Anthony Randolph would be a coup. I think adding him to our roster would give us a great asset to bring off our bench, or another guy that we could throw at New Orleans. Would it mean that we would have to give up Joel? If not, I think we could still put together a nice deal to try to pry away Collison.

Rudy and Pendergraph for Randolph.

Joel, Bayless, and Cunningham for Collison and Posey.

That gives us a roster of:

Miller/Collison/Johnson
Roy/Matthews/Williams
Batum/Posey/Babbitt
Aldridge/Randolph
Oden/Camby

That's an insane team right there. Good vets, with plenty of experience, but also a good core of young guys too.

My nine man rotation would be Miller, Roy, Batum, Aldridge, Oden, Camby, Collison, Matthews, and Randolph. Camby, Randolph, and Matthews can all play two positions. Collison would be groomed to take over the point from Miller in two years, maybe sooner.
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I've been a proponent of trading for Randolph since early last season when it was rumored that he was available; he's long, he's got some nice versatility, he blocks shots ... he's basically a second coming of Marcus Camby and who better to play behind and learn from than Camby and Buck? As for the rest, I think Collison would be a great get, not quite as great as CP3, but the fact that we wouldn't have to gut the team to get him would be a big bonus.

Hopefully this all goes down.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Anthony Randolph would be a coup. I think adding him to our roster would give us a great asset to bring off our bench, or another guy that we could throw at New Orleans. Would it mean that we would have to give up Joel? If not, I think we could still put together a nice deal to try to pry away Collison.

Rudy and Pendergraph for Randolph.

Joel, Bayless, and Cunningham for Collison and Posey.

That gives us a roster of:

Miller/Collison/Johnson
Roy/Matthews/Williams
Batum/Posey/Babbitt
Aldridge/Randolph
Oden/Camby

That's an insane team right there. Good vets, with plenty of experience, but also a good core of young guys too.

My nine man rotation would be Miller, Roy, Batum, Aldridge, Oden, Camby, Collison, Matthews, and Randolph. Camby, Randolph, and Matthews can all play two positions. Collison would be groomed to take over the point from Miller in two years, maybe sooner.
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I love this. We would have to gut the team to get Paul, so how much better would we be, if at all? These trades make us clearly better without touching our core.

:cheers:
 
I think I'm over the Chris Paul mania. Since Paul is most likely a no-go, or if he is attainable it is at too high a price, I'd love a Rudy/Bayless/Joel for Collison/Okafor trade.

Get 'er done Monty!!
 
I dunno if they'd do Randolph for Rudy alone. And if not, not sure if they're going to value the difference between Joel and Turiaf to make it up.
 
RR7 said:
I dunno if they'd do Randolph for Rudy alone. And if not, not sure if they're going to value the difference between Joel and Turiaf to make it up.
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The Knicks desperately need another shooter (and a 2 guard period) who can space the floor for Amare', Randolph is a backup power forward behind Stoudemire, so his overall impact on the Knick's success (despite his talent) is probably less than what Rudy could provide for them. If need be I think the Blazers could easily add draft rights to guys like Claver, Freeland, etc. to make the offer more attractive.
 
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