Rudy Fined!

[THE HCP]

PORTLAND TRAIL BLAZERS’ RUDY FERNANDEZ FINED


NEW YORK, October 11, 2010 – Rudy Fernandez of the Portland Trail Blazers has been fined $50,000 for public statements detrimental to the NBA, the league announced today.

The statements, which concerned a desire to be released by the Trail Blazers, were made by Fernandez’s agent, Gerard Darnes, on October 6. Fernandez was previously fined $25,000 on August 19 for statements concerning his desire to be traded or released by Portland.

 

[Further]

That agent better shut the fuck up!

 

[BGrantFan]

So a bench player like Rudy has now been fined $75k for wanting a trade, but Kobe Bryant was never fined a dime for demanding out of Los Angeles three years ago. David Stern, god love you and your rigged league.

 

[MickZagger]

$75,000 ? Lol

The NBA aint fuckin around with Rudy Doody.

 

[BGrantFan]

$75,000 ? Lol

The NBA aint fuckin around with Rudy Doody.

I call bullshit on this one. That's almost 8% of his salary for the season. Stern fears that Portland may knock off his Lakers, so he is trying to create chaos in the Blazer locker room. As I posted earlier, Kobe Bryant was never fined for his summer of "trade me" in 2007.

 

[Driew]

The NBA is doing a fine job of screwing the little man. No way should Rudy be fined 75K when Kobe was on ESPN demanding to be traded. Fucking stupid.

 

[BGrantFan]

First, Bryant said on 1050 ESPN Radio in New York: "I would like to be traded, yeah. Tough as it is to come to that conclusion there's no other alternative, you know?"
Bryant, interviewed by Stephen A. Smith, was asked if there was anything the Lakers could do to change his mind.

"No," Bryant said. "I just want them to do the right thing."

"[The Lakers] obviously want to move in a different direction in terms of rebuilding," Bryant said, adding he could have opted to sign with the Los Angeles Clippers or Chicago Bulls instead. "Three years ago when I was re-signing they should have told me they wanted to rebuild."


Asked if he had any preference for a trade destination, he said "At this point I'll go play on Pluto."

Fuck the NBA. It's times like these that I remember how rigged the league is under Stern.

 

[Nate Dogg]

I don't see HCP as a sign bearer but I bet I could see a few fans here supporting Rudy.
"Rudy = voice 'n be fined, Koby = Sterns Puppet"

 

[THE HCP]

I honestly don't think they had that rule back in 07! I think because of Kobe, they created it.

 

[BGrantFan]

I honestly don't think they had that rule back in 07! I think because of Kobe, they created it.

There is no "rule" if it was not negotiated in the CBA. Stern has the discretion to fine due to the last CBA. This was deliberately done to cause dissension within the Blazer organization, IMO.

 

[Driew]

I honestly don't think they had that rule back in 07! I think because of Kobe, they created it.

Well that would explain it.

 

[BGrantFan]

Who leaked that Chris Paul wanted to be traded?

Who leaked that Carmelo Anthony wanted to be traded?

Is the NBA investigating those huge stories of this past summer?

 

[illmatic99]

So the agent makes the comments, and Rudy gets fined?

 

[Ed O]

There is no "rule" if it was not negotiated in the CBA. Stern has the discretion to fine due to the last CBA. This was deliberately done to cause dissension within the Blazer organization, IMO.

Stern can definitely establish guidelines without negotiation. I am not aware of whether he did so in this case, but it seems logical that Stern might have let players and teams know that, moving forward, players could be fined for comments such as these.

Another possibility is that Kobe didn't say anything about the league. He wanted to be traded, but he wanted to be traded to another NBA team. That's a difference that could lead to a different result than Rudy's.

I think that the idea that Stern is trying to mess up the Blazers by fining a guy who doesn't want to play for Portland is pretty ... strange.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

Who leaked that Chris Paul wanted to be traded?

Who leaked that Carmelo Anthony wanted to be traded?

Is the NBA investigating those huge stories of this past summer?

Were the comments of Rudy and his agent leaked? Or given on the record?

Ed O.

 

[BGrantFan]

The first player to get slapped with a trade-demand fine was Ron Artest, who was then an Indiana Pacer. Artest's request came early in the 2005-'06 campaign, and cost him $25,000. For the next four years, the ban was not invoked. Evidently, the public trade demands of at least five players were deemed "less than detrimental":

•"I would like to be traded, yeah. Tough as it is to come to that conclusion there's no other alternative, you know... At this point I'll go play on Pluto." - Kobe Bryant, March 2007

•"I'm tired of hearing my name in trades. I love my fans in Phoenix, but I think it's time for me to move on." - Shawn Marion, September, 2007


•"We tried to make this work. We've found out it doesn't. It's time or us all to move on." - Jason Kidd, January, 2008


•"I want to be moved. I want to be moved. I want to be moved. I want to be traded." -- Mickael Pietrus, February, 2008


•"I didn't want to play for (Golden State Warriors executive Chris) Mullin. I told him that this summer. I reiterated that again to Mully. I've told him twice since training camp has started that I don't want to be here." - Al Harrington, October, 2008

Fuck David Stern

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arn-tellem/a-fine-mess_b_442385.html

 

[BGrantFan]

Stern can definitely establish guidelines without negotiation. I am not aware of whether he did so in this case, but it seems logical that Stern might have let players and teams know that, moving forward, players could be fined for comments such as these.

Ed O.

WRONG

Trade demands only became actionable offenses after the 2004-'05 season. Discomfited by the high-profile ultimatums of Vince Carter, Baron Davis, Shaquille O'Neal, Tracy McGrady and Shareef Abdur-Rahim, NBA officials told the players union during talks for the 2005 Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) that such demands would henceforth fall under Rule 35, a player misconduct provision in the league constitution. Public trade demands are now considered "statements detrimental to the NBA" and fines of $50,000 or less for off-court behavior cannot be appealed through a grievance arbitrator.

It was clearly a part of the last CBA that was signed. It's been enforced on a subjective basis, though, as I posted examples in a previous post. I take it you weren't a contract lawyer?

 

[BGrantFan]

Even more shitty that fines of $50k or less can't be appealed. Rudy is simply getting fucked by David Stern, and by proxy, so are the Blazers.

 

[andalusian]

Oh Rudy, you're so fined you're so fined you blow my mind,
hey Rudy (huff huff), hey Rudy (huff huff)

 

[BGrantFan]

Another possibility is that Kobe didn't say anything about the league. He wanted to be traded, but he wanted to be traded to another NBA team. That's a difference that could lead to a different result than Rudy's.
I think that the idea that Stern is trying to mess up the Blazers by fining a guy who doesn't want to play for Portland is pretty ... strange.

Ed O.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTT

Trade demands only became actionable offenses after the 2004-'05 season. Discomfited by the high-profile ultimatums of Vince Carter, Baron Davis, Shaquille O'Neal, Tracy McGrady and Shareef Abdur-Rahim, NBA officials told the players union during talks for the 2005 Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) that such demands would henceforth fall under Rule 35, a player misconduct provision in the league constitution. Public trade demands are now considered "statements detrimental to the NBA" and fines of $50,000 or less for off-court behavior cannot be appealed through a grievance arbitrator.

Try again, Ed.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Well I imagine sooner or later Rudy is either going to stop telling his agents to demand a trade, he'll be broke on fines or he hires new agents.

 

[barfo]

Well I imagine sooner or later Rudy is either going to stop telling his agents to demand a trade, he'll be broke on fines or he hires new agents.

You imagine that, but no! It is never going to stop! Rudy is going to demand a trade to infinity... and beyond!

barfo

 

[Ed O]

WRONG

What is wrong? That he can establish guidelines without negotiation? Or that I was not aware of whether he did so in this case? Or that it seemed logical?

All of those things are accurate.

It was clearly a part of the last CBA that was signed. It's been enforced on a subjective basis, though, as I posted examples in a previous post. I take it you weren't a contract lawyer?

Contract law is not really germane here. It's labor law.

Of course it's selectively enforced. It would be impossible not to be.

It's amazing, though, how Stern stuck it to the Blazers with this fine. I'm sure the team is in disarray now.

Ed O.

 

[barfo]

It's amazing, though, how Stern stuck it to the Blazers with this fine. I'm sure the team is in disarray now.

Ed O.

If we lose tonight, it will be on Stern's head.

barfo

 

[BGrantFan]

What is wrong? That he can establish guidelines without negotiation? Or that I was not aware of whether he did so in this case? Or that it seemed logical?

All of those things are accurate.



Contract law is not really germane here. It's labor law.

Of course it's selectively enforced. It would be impossible not to be.

It's amazing, though, how Stern stuck it to the Blazers with this fine. I'm sure the team is in disarray now.

Ed O.

That's a very weak effort, Ed. I provide proof, and you ask questions. You're the one that posted Stern could "definitely" fine players without a change to the CBA. You also put out the thought that the fine had something to do with criticizing the NBA. I'm still waiting for proof on that point, esquire.

It's OK to admit you were wrong once in a while.

 

[Ed O]

That's a very weak effort, Ed. I provide proof, and you ask questions. You're the one that posted Stern could "definitely" fine players without a change to the CBA. I'm still waiting for proof on that point, esquire.

You have proof he did it to screw with the Blazers? I missed that link.

Ed O.

 

[jlprk]

I guess I was dozing Wednesday Oct. 6, but can someone link to the agent's quote? Was it not covered much? Or am I the only one who missed it? Was it on this board?

 

[BGrantFan]

You have proof he did it to screw with the Blazers? I missed that link.

Ed O.

No. That was my opinion. Do you have proof that the fine was not subjectively administered in this instance?

It's OK to admit that you don't know everything, Ed. Now you're on a tangent that we both know is based in my opinion. Effective in a court room, but not effective in this thread. I admit it is my opinion on why the fine was levied, with some hyperbole sprinkled in for fun. You said that Stern "definitely" could levy fines without a change to the CBA. This has been proven incorrect. Are we still going to play this game?

 

[hasoos]

50K is way too much for somebody to be fined. Hell nobody has even got fined that much for punching somebody have they? Or strangling their coach? 50K? What's next? Stern for leader of Iran?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

No. That was my opinion. Do you have proof that the fine was not subjectively administered in this instance?

It's OK to admit that you don't know everything, Ed. Now you're on a tangent that we both know is based in my opinion. Effective in a court room, but not effective in this thread. I admit it is my opinion on why the fine was levied, with some hyperbole sprinkled in for fun. You said that Stern "definitely" could levy fines without a change to the CBA. This has been proven incorrect. Are we still going to play this game?

Are we about done with the pretense that you're not PapaG? I was impressed with how long you waited before getting into some asinine argument with EdO, but I see it didn't last long.