Rudy may want out? (MERGED)

[blue32]

You think Rudy will be happy with 24 MPG? He played 26 MPG last year! He wants an even bigger role. These spanish players are starting to piss me off.

Hardly any of McMillians guys play tons of minutes......i hardly ever see guys play 37+

 

[andalusian]

Re: Rudy may want out?

Basing McMillan's boring/almost predictable offense on an out of bounds play is not a good argument at all.

McMillan's boring/almost predictable offense was the most efficient one in the NBA last year. Arguing against his offense is like saying that Walmart is a boring business, it is not exciting and innovative like Pets.com and their sock-puppet spokesman...

Of course, Walmart, being predictable and boring is huge and Pets.com is extinct...

 

[Tince]

Re: Rudy may want out?

Basing McMillan's boring/almost predictable offense on an out of bounds play is not a good argument at all.

Explain to me his predictable offense. You can show everyone your ignorance if you claim we only run isolation and pick & rolls.

 

[Natebishop3]

Rudy can get 12 minutes behind Roy and 12 minutes behind our starting PG in a rotation that includes Bayless.

The reason Rudy was not used for his handle/passing last year was because we were "forced" to play Sergio with his ball dominating dribbling.

Let's for the purpose of this argument guess that Blake is still our starting PG (but you can replace him with whoever you want). Blake and Roy start in the back-court, Roy goes out, Rudy comes in and plays SG, Blake goes out, JB comes in and plays PG or SG next to Rudy. Rudy gets his 24 minutes per game, maybe more when the team goes small and runs PG, Rudy, Roy, Hedo, LMA or when the team goes big and runs Roy, Rudy, Hedo, LMA, Greg.

There is no real problem. The person that will lose minutes next year will be Batum - and that's OK - we have the time to bring him along slowly.

Again, the problem was Sergio and his need for minutes and our need to play Batum long minutes. We played a 4 guard rotation last year and had to slide Rudy/Roy to SF to find extra minutes for Rudy. All Hedo does is take Batum's minutes down from 19 to 12. Webster, Outlaw are trade bait.

It's a dangerous game. We have three young players who are going to want to start eventually. Bayless, Rudy, and Batum are all going to want to start in the long run. Bayless and Batum have a real shot of taking over at their respective positions once Hedo (if we sign him) and/or Andre Miller (if we sign him) step down. Rudy on the other hand plays a position which will never sniff the starting lineup .

Also, I'm not sure if others noticed it, but Roy and Rudy didn't play especially well together last season. When they were on the floor together, it seemed like Roy never looked for Rudy. The only guy who actively found Fernandez on lobs and screens was Sergio. Now that Sergio is gone, it's really not surprising that Rudy is mad (if he's mad).

 

[Tince]

Re: Rudy may want out?

If we sign a top notch PG or SF, it is going to cut into Rudy's minutes. What do you people want? Make up your mind.

 

[alex42083]

Starting lineup next season:

G Brandon Roy
G Rudy Fernandez
F Hedo Turkoglu
F LaMarcus Aldridge
C Greg Oden

Let's go big, and scrap the PG idea.

 

[MAS RipCity]

i'm not Nate lover, but he gave Rudy plenty of minutes last year, it was up to Rudy to slash or be a playmaker..he wore down as the season went on and was delegated to shooting 3's

 

[andalusian]

You think Rudy will be happy with 24 MPG? He played 26 MPG last year! He wants an even bigger role. These spanish players are starting to piss me off.

I am sure he would want more minutes - but quite frankly - he had a lot of trouble last year with the 26MPG and was almost broken physically. If he proves it to be different next year - we can talk - until this happens - we are good, I think.

 

[illmatic99]

Starting lineup next season:

G Brandon Roy
G Rudy Fernandez
F Hedo Turkoglu
F LaMarcus Aldridge
C Greg Oden

Let's go big, and scrap the PG idea.

If we're gonna put Rudy in the starting lineup, I'd rather put him at PG.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Rudy may want out?

McMillan's boring/almost predictable offense was the most efficient one in the NBA last year. Arguing against his offense is like saying that Walmart is a boring business, it is not exciting and innovative like Pets.com and their sock-puppet spokesman...

Of course, Walmart, being predictable and boring is huge and Pets.com is extinct...

The efficient offense had nothing to do with suppior offensive rebounding right?

 

[RoyToy]

Re: Rudy may want out?

Explain to me his predictable offense. You can show everyone your ignorance if you claim we only run isolation and pick & rolls.

Uh......

 

[PapaG]

Starting lineup next season:

G Brandon Roy
G Rudy Fernandez
F Hedo Turkoglu
F LaMarcus Aldridge
C Greg Oden

Let's go big, and scrap the PG idea.

If you thought Aaron Brooks dribbled by Blake at will...

Oden would get 2 fouls in the first 5 minutes of every game with that line-up.

 

[blue32]

It's a dangerous game. We have three young players who are going to want to start eventually. Bayless, Rudy, and Batum are all going to want to start in the long run. Bayless and Batum have a real shot of taking over at their respective positions once Hedo (if we sign him) and/or Andre Miller (if we sign him) step down. Rudy on the other hand plays a position which will never sniff the starting lineup .

Also, I'm not sure if others noticed it, but Roy and Rudy didn't play especially well together last season. When they were on the floor together, it seemed like Roy never looked for Rudy. The only guy who actively found Fernandez on lobs and screens was Sergio. Now that Sergio is gone, it's really not surprising that Rudy is mad (if he's mad).

I dont know about Roy and Rudy not getting along. I think Roy was the first guy to go kick someone's ass when Ariza fucked Rudy up on "the play".

 

[Tince]

Re: Rudy may want out?

Uh......

That's the detailed response I expected.

 

[Tince]

If you thought Aaron Brooks dribbled by Blake at will...

Oden would get 2 fouls in the first 5 minutes of every game with that line-up.

I agree. I think we could get away with it as long as Batum is our starter. Batum could defend PG's, he did a nice job against Parker last season and Roy can defend a large majority of SF's

 

[andalusian]

It's a dangerous game. We have three young players who are going to want to start eventually. Bayless, Rudy, and Batum are all going to want to start in the long run. Bayless and Batum have a real shot of taking over at their respective positions once Hedo (if we sign him) and/or Andre Miller (if we sign him) step down. Rudy on the other hand plays a position which will never sniff the starting lineup .

Also, I'm not sure if others noticed it, but Roy and Rudy didn't play especially well together last season. When they were on the floor together, it seemed like Roy never looked for Rudy. The only guy who actively found Fernandez on lobs and screens was Sergio. Now that Sergio is gone, it's really not surprising that Rudy is mad (if he's mad).

Of course you are right. Pritchard accumulated assets like crazy. It is not a surprise that they will need to be consolidated. If there is a deal to trade Rudy for a great PG like Harris - you do it and play Bayless at backup SG. If not - there is a solution for next year - and we will sort it all out as we go along. Maybe Bayless never pans out. Maybe Rudy increases his trade value and we can get that great PG we lust after next year? Who knows?

 

[RoyToy]

Re: Rudy may want out?

That's the detailed response I expected.

Because you answered your own question, dork.

I'd actually love for you to explain how it isn't a predictable jump shooting offense that looked like absolute complete shit against the Rockets for at least half of that series.

 

[Natebishop3]

I dont know about Roy and Rudy not getting along. I think Roy was the first guy to go kick someone's ass when Ariza fucked Rudy up on "the play".

I didn't say they don't get along, I said they don't play well together. Rudy runs off a lot of screens and/or cuts to the hoop a lot. Roy doesn't look for him.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

It's a lot better argument than yours.

Nate turned Rudy into the best rookie 3pt shooter in NBA history, and everyone is pissed about it. Are we positive that Nate will not expand his role after he gets out of his ROOKIE year?

If Nate was so impressed by what Rudy did in the Olympics (as has been stated previously), why would he limit him to essentially being a spot-up shooter? Even at the beginning of the year, he seemed to be more involved in the offense. The game at Miami where he hit the spin-fall away jumper comes to mind.

This off-season is starting to look fucking shitty, man.

Agreed.

Something to think about: Rudy was one of the few (arguably the best) players on the team to regularly get the ball to Oden in good position.

 

[Tince]

Re: Rudy may want out?

The efficient offense had nothing to do with suppior offensive rebounding right?

I think you got it backwards. The superior offensive rebounding has to do with an effective offense that causes defenses to scramble and unable to block out.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Starting lineup next season:

G Brandon Roy
G Rudy Fernandez
F Hedo Turkoglu
F LaMarcus Aldridge
C Greg Oden

Let's go big, and scrap the PG idea.

Not sure about the starting lineup, but they sure would end the game for me.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Navarro was a 2nd round pick and was free to leave Memphis. Not at all similar.

But is he under legal obligation to play for Portland while under contract?

I'm guessing no. He could sign a contract with another team. He might have to pay back Portland for the first year, but I don't believe he'd even be touchable under a lawsuit as he's not a US Citizen.

 

[Tince]

If Nate was so impressed by what Rudy did in the Olympics (as has been stated previously), why would he limit him to essentially being a spot-up shooter? Even at the beginning of the year, he seemed to be more involved in the offense. The game at Miami where he hit the spin-fall away jumper comes to mind.



Agreed.

Something to think about: Rudy was one of the few (arguably the best) players on the team to regularly get the ball to Oden in good position.

I recall Rudy taking 15-20 spinning fade-away jumpers this season, and making about 5. Not something I would call a high percentage shot.

 

[andalusian]

Re: Rudy may want out?

The efficient offense had nothing to do with suppior offensive rebounding right?

Of course it does - but what does it matter? At the end of the day - our offense was fantastic last year and adding another playmaker that can score (something we did not have last year) - will only make it better.

The offense works, it works well and rebounding (and protecting the ball which Portland did exceptionally well, great offensive rebounders are not worth anything if the team turns the ball over and can not at least get reasonable shots) is part of it.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't understand how anyone could say that McMillans offense was really anything more than iso's and pick and rolls. How could you guys watch the team all season and not see how much our team struggled when the opposition took away the pick and roll, or doubled Brandon as soon as he crossed the half court line. Nate's offense IS extremely predictable. We rely too heavily on Roy to handle the ball and create, which he does so well, but often times it came back to bite us in the ass.

Was I the only one who saw teams use the pick and roll to double Roy? Brandon would sit out top, wait for the pick from Joel, but when it came, Joel's man would cut Brandon off, and Brandon's man would stay, so it would be an easy double, forcing Roy to pass or take a tough shot.

 

[alex42083]

If you thought Aaron Brooks dribbled by Blake at will...

Oden would get 2 fouls in the first 5 minutes of every game with that line-up.

So you want an Andre Miller or a Kirk Hinrich?

 

[ODENISGOD]

Trade him now while you can get a lot for him. He is a career back up here anyways. Go land yourself a big time Point Guard NOW!

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Re: Rudy may want out?

This off-season is starting to look fucking shitty, man.

Depends on what happens. Rudy's value has got to be high. A very good player could be headed Portland's way. If we added Hedo and another quality starting player, then this could turn out to be very good!

I just can't wrap my head around this. We've been virtually controversy free for years now.

 

[PapaG]

But is he under legal obligation to play for Portland while under contract?

I'm guessing no. He could sign a contract with another team. He might have to pay back Portland for the first year, but I don't believe he'd even be touchable under a lawsuit as he's not a US Citizen.

That's my question as well. I don't see how Rudy could break his contract and still play professionally, but this could be the case. I'm not sure how his status as a foreigner impacts him leaving the NBA while under contract.

 

[illmatic99]

I don't understand how anyone could say that McMillans offense was really anything more than iso's and pick and rolls. How could you guys watch the team all season and not see how much our team struggled when the opposition took away the pick and roll, or doubled Brandon as soon as he crossed the half court line. Nate's offense IS extremely predictable. We rely too heavily on Roy to handle the ball and create, which he does so well, but often times it came back to bite us in the ass.

Was I the only one who saw teams use the pick and roll to double Roy? Brandon would sit out top, wait for the pick from Joel, but when it came, Joel's man would cut Brandon off, and Brandon's man would stay, so it would be an easy double, forcing Roy to pass or take a tough shot.

Preaching to the choir.