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Fez said:
Amare is a scoring force. At the same age (23) Amare was a 26/9 player.
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Didn't we have a guy like that a couple of years ago?

Seems to me Amare is a more athletic Zach.

barfo
 
ehizzy3 said:
the point is new jersey will not get rid of harris just for amare.
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Then it won't happen, because PHX is getting royally fucked. No amount of cash or second rounders will change that.
 
Return of Nash to PHX in '04

Marion, a 1-time all-star, makes it 3 consecutive years with Nash, drastically improving his rebounding and shooting percentages.
Bell, goes from around 50 3's per year to around 200 per in these same 3 years mentioned above. Assists also doubled over these 3 years.
Barbosa, similar situation to Bell. An increase in PT, but not enough to warrant the huge benefit he received from the system and Nash, demonstrated by scoring AVG and 3's
Richardson had an equally good year in LAC, slight improvements with PHX, mainly 3's...but just look at the massive dropoff statistically after he left PHX...
Diaw, inflated numbers during these 3 years, although his scoring decreased each year, due to Amares return. He is playing well in CHA though.
Tim Thomas was also only there 1 year, but he shot a career-high 43% from 3. Otherwise, a career 37% shooter.

Joe Johnson is the only real anomaly, and i didn't mention him because of that. He's for real.
 
B-Roy said:
Then it won't happen, because PHX is getting royally fucked. No amount of cash or second rounders will change that.
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maybe so. i guess im just over valuing how much they wanna shed salary
 
A team's success is based disproportionately on its top-end talent. A team's top three players matter more than the next five or six. Losing Bayless would hurt, but I think it's worth the chance to upgrade the Big Three. I didn't think that would be possible, but I don't think anyone foretold, a few months ago, Amare being available. Trading depth to upgrade your top three or four players is generally a wise move.
 
Fez said:
Zach is a volume scorer who doesn't make his team better.
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How is that different than Amare? He's a volume scorer and has been very public that he wants to be THE MAN on a team. He wants to be a #1 like Kobe, Lebron, Wade.
 
I'm sorry but Amare is not worth Lamarcus. We get near same production from Lamarcus who plays in a much slower paced offense and doesn't have a world class PG dishing it to him. To top it off Lamarcus plays defense while Amare is one of the worst defenders in the league. We might as well bring Z-bo back.

Amare's production has gone way down this year since he's been in a half-court set and has to create his own shot more often. Amare is much better as a finisher in a fast paced offense than in a slow half paced one like ours.
 
Greed for a lack of a better....

word is good unless it burns the whole team down in the making. Amare is an allstar that wants to be the man on the next team he goes to and has said it more than once in the press. If KP does this deal he will kill this teams chemistry in one fell swoop.

Roy is our allstar and Oden is next. Amare would divide this team for his own game.

Not a smart trade! This is a deal Trader BOB would make, not a manager looking to make a solid hub of players for the future as KP has said time and time again for a championship run!
 
The first time I heard the Amar'e deal put on the table a few days ago, I immediately recoiled from it like it was a live cobra ... now ... hmm ... it's hard to say. He's a helluva talent, and he has enough range on his jumper that he could conceivably be more of a high post player than low post guy to mesh better with Greg, but if he hates Porter's system I can't envision him having a lot of fun playing for Nate.

The deal that Berger has up sounds a whole lot more like a Phoenix "demand" rather than a Portland "offer" ... we'd be utterly devoid of any depth whatsoever at point guard without some secondary deal.

Who knows, maybe KP is trying to wrangle a 3-way deal between us, the Suns and the Bulls (or some other team) where we get a wing and a point guard, Phoenix would get major cap relief and some prospects, and Chicago (or whomever) gets the main prize, Amar'e?
 
It seems to me that Phoenix really wants to trade with Detroit not Portland. A trade of Sheed for Stoudamire gives them better defense and an expiring contract. If the situation doesn't improve with Sheed, they can let him go over the summer.
 
Re: Greed for a lack of a better....

Yardape said:
word is good unless it burns the whole team down in the making. Amare is an allstar that wants to be the man on the next team he goes to and has said it more than once in the press. If KP does this deal he will kill this teams chemistry in one fell swoop.

Roy is our allstar and Oden is next. Amare would divide this team for his own game.

Not a smart trade! This is a deal Trader BOB would make, not a manager looking to make a solid hub of players for the future as KP has said time and time again for a championship run!
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Look, you can criticize the personality of just about anybody who ever played the game. Michael Jordan couldn't get along with Orlando Woolridge, slapped Will Purdue around, gambled with anybody & everybody, and rode his teamates relentlessly - was HE a chemistry killer? Did he have an overwhelming desire to "be the man"? Kobe ran Shaq out of town, and before that didn't even associate with his teamates WHILE they were winning 3 titiles. (In his prime) Shaq was at times more interested in makng movies, rap CD's, and being a comedian than basketball. Until Last season Kevin Garnett has a history of playoff dissapointments, and Ray Allen and Paul Pierce were just good players that never won anything.

My point? Amare doesn't have a history of being a malcontent. He's not Bonzi Freeking Wells. I think that every great player has a burning desire to win, and be the leader. You have two alpha-males in Phoenix since Shaq showed up, and they aren't playing well. Of course he's dissapointed.
 
Karl Malone's Elbows said:
How is that different than Amare? He's a volume scorer and has been very public that he wants to be THE MAN on a team. He wants to be a #1 like Kobe, Lebron, Wade.
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Who has ever been the man on the team without wanting to be that?

Amare has been first team all-NBA. He's on the cusp of being an MVP-level player. And then he sees the system changed under Porter and Shaq featured on offense... it's natural that he's wondered wtf Kerr and the coaches are doing.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Who has ever been the man on the team without wanting to be that?
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The point is this team already has Roy and Oden. Roy's already better and Oden will be next year. Hell, head-to-head Oden has dominated Amare this year.
 
When is the last time you heard about one of Kevin Pritchard's trades before it happend? The answer is never. Not one of the trades under Pritchard's Blazers has been leaked.
 
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Karl Malone's Elbows said:
The point is this team already has Roy and Oden. Roy's already better and Oden will be next year. Hell, head-to-head Oden has dominated Amare this year.
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What are you talking about?

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Who has ever been the man on the team without wanting to be that?

Amare has been first team all-NBA. He's on the cusp of being an MVP-level player. And then he sees the system changed under Porter and Shaq featured on offense... it's natural that he's wondered wtf Kerr and the coaches are doing.

Ed O.
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since when is amare on the cusp of being an mvp level player? with d'antoni, it could be argued that he was close, but definitely not anymore.

just look at his per. he's at 20.1 this season. aldridge is at 18.9. and aldridge is a better defensive player. is it really that much of an upgrade?
 
C_note said:
Return of Nash to PHX in '04

Marion, a 1-time all-star, makes it 3 consecutive years with Nash, drastically improving his rebounding and shooting percentages.
Bell, goes from around 50 3's per year to around 200 per in these same 3 years mentioned above. Assists also doubled over these 3 years.
Barbosa, similar situation to Bell. An increase in PT, but not enough to warrant the huge benefit he received from the system and Nash, demonstrated by scoring AVG and 3's
Richardson had an equally good year in LAC, slight improvements with PHX, mainly 3's...but just look at the massive dropoff statistically after he left PHX...
Diaw, inflated numbers during these 3 years, although his scoring decreased each year, due to Amares return. He is playing well in CHA though.
Tim Thomas was also only there 1 year, but he shot a career-high 43% from 3. Otherwise, a career 37% shooter.

Joe Johnson is the only real anomaly, and i didn't mention him because of that. He's for real.
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I don't see any evidence there that's at all compelling that D'Antoni has made players consistently and markedly better nor that players are consistently inferior after playing under D'Antoni.

Look at PER for the players you mentioned in your first post. PER is normalized for Pace, and I don't think that there's a strong correlation between D'Antoni's system and higher-than-similar-year PER numbers.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
What are you talking about?

Ed O.
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I am talking about this:

1) Roy is a better player than Amare right now.

2) Oden will be a better player than Amare by next season.

3) Oden has gotten the better of Amare every time they've been head-to-head this season.
 
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