Rumor: Blazers interested in Rubio?

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BigGameDamian said:
Jerryd Bayless was the summer league MVP and then he got the Nick name Jerryd Playless.
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I never heard him called that. My favorite nicknames for him were Wally Gator or JRex because of his freakishly short arms.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Let's drop you on your shooting hand, screw up your fingers, and then see how you shoot.
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You would hardly expect a man so illy equipped to lead the league (save one) in three point attempts.
 
Yes I remember Wook. Roy with ball, Lamarcus moving out to the side line, Blake setting up down in the corner, Joel to opposite side from Lamarcus, and the other grunt on the court (Travis or Batum) watching from somewhere. Not exactly basketball at it's finest and certainly not in Dr. Jack's play book, part of which he borrowed from Pete Carril.
 
BlazerWookee said:
Steve Blake, Wes Matthews, Nic Batum, Joel Przybilla, and LaMarcus Aldridge all seemed to fit ok. With healthy knees on Brandon, that team could have developed into something REALLY good.
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Not with Nate as the coach. They would have never gotten past the 1st round. Nate just could not figure out how to design an offense that used all the talent he was given. Aldridge didn't blossom until Roy was injured and Batum would be forever standing in the corner if Nate was still here. The only other player who seemed to really thrive in the Nate/Roy offense was Blakey - a stand still 3-point shooter who really couldn't score any other way.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Not with Nate as the coach. They would have never gotten past the 1st round. Nate just could not figure out how to design an offense that used all the talent he was given. Aldridge didn't blossom until Roy was injured and Batum would be forever standing in the corner if Nate was still here. The only other player who seemed to really thrive in the Nate/Roy offense was Blakey - a stand still 3-point shooter who really couldn't score any other way.

BNM
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I couldn't disagree more. I think if Brandon retires three months earlier, we don't trade Miller, and Nate would have done just fine developing a motion offense built around LaMarcus feasting on lob after lob at the rim in the pick and roll. He spent training camp working on the most efficient offense in the league (say what you like about ISO-Roy, it was efficient as hell), then had the only player on the planet who could possibly thrive in that offense retire out from under him.
 
BlazerWookee said:
I couldn't disagree more. I think if Brandon retires three months earlier, we don't trade Miller, and Nate would have done just fine developing a motion offense built around LaMarcus feasting on lob after lob at the rim in the pick and roll. He spent training camp working on the most efficient offense in the league (say what you like about ISO-Roy, it was efficient as hell), then had the only player on the planet who could possibly thrive in that offense retire out from under him.
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You, and Nate, are/were both living in the past. Any claim of "most efficient offense in the league" was three seasons old by the time Roy actually retired. Two seasons before Roy retired, we had the 11th most efficient offense in the league and the season before he retired, we were 12th.

So, why didn't Nate develop that motion offense with Aldridge feasting on lobs from Miller in the two seasons before Roy retired - during which Roy missed 52 regular season games and we had a healthy Aldridge and a healthy Andre Miller? When the player your offense is built around misses long stretches of regular season games, you need to adapt, but Nate didn't, he just plugged Bayless, or whoever, into the Roy role and expected to get by until Roy came back. The fact that Nate made no adjustments during the two seasons before Roy retired, and hadn't planned on making any the year Roy did retire, was short sighted and foolishly stubborn.

Even if Roy was healthy (healthy players don't miss 52 regular season games), the rest of the league had figured out how to stop the Roy ISO (it really wasn't that complex). So no, he did not spend training camp working on the most efficient offense in the league. He spent training camp working on a very simplistic offense that was the 12 most efficient in the league, that the rest of the league had figured out how to defend, and was 100% reliant on the health of a player who had missed 52 regular season games over the previous two years and was limited to 23 MPG in the playoffs. Doesn't sound too smart to me.

Yes, Brandon Roy was a great player when healthy, but he missed 17 games two years before he retired and then 35 more the season before he retired. Not only did he miss 35 games the season before he retired, when he did play, his effectiveness was limited. The season before he retired, Brandon Roy only started 23 games and had a PER of 13.9. Please tell me how it makes sense to base your offense completely on the health of a player that was only able to start 23 games over an 82 game schedule, performed below the league average when he did play, and didn't start a single game in the playoffs? Nate deserved to be fired. My only gripe is he should have been fired sooner. If I was Paul Allen, I would have fired him immediately after the Phoenix series when Nate was completely out coached by Alvin Gentry.

BNM
 
Could have had Jeremy Lin for $2M. I like that move way better.
 
This "rumor" got me thinking about Dame's role.

Say Neil went out and got a PG who can play defense and big enough to check SG's - how would Dame play in an Iverson type of role?

Iirc, Iverson was heavy ISO and ran off a lot of screens.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
This "rumor" got me thinking about Dame's role.

Say Neil went out and got a PG who can play defense and big enough to check SG's - how would Dame play in an Iverson type of role?

Iirc, Iverson was heavy ISO and ran off a lot of screens.
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Honestly, I think CJ is correct that this offense doesn't really need a classic point guard. You have two guys who can operate the PnR well. At least one needs to learn to spot the roller better (CJ), but I think defining them as PG and SG is not necessary or good. Use one on each side and use whoever is hot or has the best matchup more. Even if we did have a dedicated PG I think Dame's game would not change much. He might get a few more catch and shoot opportunities, but I think most of the time he would still get the ball up on the top for a quick PnR or keep the ball moving.
 
No. He's not very good. He'd be an upgrade over Frazier though. So I guess if the price is right.
 
Would you take Rubio if it meant taking on pekovic? I'll be honest..Rubio in Stotts system playing with Lillard and mccollum would be nuts
 
Scalma said:
Would you take Rubio if it meant taking on pekovic? I'll be honest..Rubio in Stotts system playing with Lillard and mccollum would be nuts
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That would suck. Rubio needs the ball ask the time and can't space the floor or play D
 
MickZagger said:
No. He's not very good. He'd be an upgrade over Frazier though. So I guess if the price is right.
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The price is $14.8 million in 2019 so I'll say no that's not the right price compared to the $800k Frazier makes.
 
BonesJones said:
That would suck. Rubio needs the ball ask the time and can't space the floor or play D
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He'd be surrounded by shooters, he wouldn't need to space the court. He's also a good defender, contrary to common opinion. He would be great for dame and CJ.
 
I like a 3 G rotation of Dame, CJ & Rubio.

Rubio is a very good defender, a quality we need in a playmaking G. His assist to turn over ratio is incredible good. Plus he is the right age.
 
Rubio-CJ-Harkless-Crabbe-Davis/Leonard second unit? Oh yea.
 
And please don't mention Tim Fraziers name. He's not an NBA caliber player. Not even a good passer, his supposed strength.
 
Scalma said:
Rubio-CJ-Harkless-Crabbe-Davis/Leonard second unit? Oh yea.
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IF CJ & Rubio would agree/b happy in the 2nd unit... I'm all for this!:ygrin: For starters, Henderson & Crabbe @ the 2 & 3 or some other move?
 
Why wouldn't CJ be for it? Rubio would get him easier looks.
 
Scalma said:
Why wouldn't CJ be for it? Rubio would get him easier looks.
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CJ feels like the kind of guy (most in the NBA feel this way) that once he's had a taste of being a starter... he'll see it as a demotion to come off the bench even if he played a lot of minutes. You're right, Rubio would get him easier looks & our 2nd unit would b deadly; I see easily see the advantage & love it!:wink:
 
0-Our! said:
CJ feels like the kind of guy (most in the NBA feel this way) that once he's had a taste of being a starter... he'll see it as a demotion to come off the bench even if he played a lot of minutes. You're right, Rubio would get him easier looks & our 2nd unit would b deadly; I see easily see the advantage & love it!:wink:
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CJ would still start. He would just switch to SG with the second unit instead of playing PG like he does now
 
Scalma said:
CJ would still start. He would just switch to SG with the second unit instead of playing PG like he does now
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I'm glad we're on the same page w/ ^ (I asked the above question about Henderson/Crabbe to see where ur mind was @:wink:), THIS would work; now, all we need is a very good defensive sf in w/ the starters; I like Crabbe but I want an even better defender w/ the starters if Dame & CJ r there.
 
And upgraded backup PG is high on my list of needs for this team. From a ball handler standpoint when it comes to rotational players we only have 2. IMO Rubio/Crabbe/Harkless off the bench is more dynamic and balanced than Crabbe/Henderson/Harkless .
 
My question is why would minny trade Rubio? Do they have another guy they prefer at PG? No way is lavine a PG. I haven't seen Tyus Jones play
 
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