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Natebishop3 said:
I guess if Love is a consolation prize, he's better than nothing, but I still feel like LA will be a huge piece of shit in my eyes if he leaves.
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Yup. If he leaves, the fans loyalty to him should be left at the door he walks out of.
 
Scalma said:
If you're into stats maybe
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Lmao! So you make a claim that Aldridge is a bad defender, then deny stats. So are we just riding along the psychedelic trip your on or you actually have substantial evidence to support your claim?
 
magnifier661 said:
Lmao! So you make a claim that Aldridge is a bad defender, then deny stats. So are we just riding along the psychedelic trip your on or you actually have substantial evidence to support your claim?
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Show me where I said aldridge was a bad defender. Please.
 
I don't think LA is a bad defender by any means. My problem is that I think he has the tools to be first team All-NBA in defense. He's long. He's athletic. He's a sharp guy. There's no reason why he shouldn't be one of the top defenders at his position, but he simply isn't. He's not a good help defender IMO. Having watched Sheed growing up, I know what a really good defender looks like at the four. Or Camby. Guys who talk on defense, help out on the pick and roll, and play good man to man. Aldridge has the tools but the effort isn't there.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think LA is a bad defender by any means. My problem is that I think he has the tools to be first team All-NBA in defense. He's long. He's athletic. He's a sharp guy. There's no reason why he shouldn't be one of the top defenders at his position, but he simply isn't. He's not a good help defender IMO. Having watched Sheed growing up, I know what a really good defender looks like at the four. Or Camby. Guys who talk on defense, help out on the pick and roll, and play good man to man. Aldridge has the tools but the effort isn't there.
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That's a bingo
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think LA is a bad defender by any means. My problem is that I think he has the tools to be first team All-NBA in defense. He's long. He's athletic. He's a sharp guy. There's no reason why he shouldn't be one of the top defenders at his position, but he simply isn't. He's not a good help defender IMO. Having watched Sheed growing up, I know what a really good defender looks like at the four. Or Camby. Guys who talk on defense, help out on the pick and roll, and play good man to man. Aldridge has the tools but the effort isn't there.
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Okay I can concede to this.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think LA is a bad defender by any means. My problem is that I think he has the tools to be first team All-NBA in defense. He's long. He's athletic. He's a sharp guy. There's no reason why he shouldn't be one of the top defenders at his position, but he simply isn't. He's not a good help defender IMO. Having watched Sheed growing up, I know what a really good defender looks like at the four. Or Camby. Guys who talk on defense, help out on the pick and roll, and play good man to man. Aldridge has the tools but the effort isn't there.
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Agreed, except for the comment about him being smart. Hi might not be Travis Outlaw-dumb, but he's closer to that end of the spectrum than...whomever the smart end of the spectrum would be named after.
 
I'd be ticked if the backup plan to re-signing the best PF on the market isn't to sign the 2nd best PF FA. So who's the back-up to the back-up plan? David Lee?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think LA is a bad defender by any means. My problem is that I think he has the tools to be first team All-NBA in defense. He's long. He's athletic. He's a sharp guy. There's no reason why he shouldn't be one of the top defenders at his position, but he simply isn't. He's not a good help defender IMO. Having watched Sheed growing up, I know what a really good defender looks like at the four. Or Camby. Guys who talk on defense, help out on the pick and roll, and play good man to man. Aldridge has the tools but the effort isn't there.
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Given how much energy is required of LA on the offensive end, I'm not sure that expecting him to be a great help defender is realistic.
 
Natebishop3 said:
How much energy does it take to loft up jumpers? If he was in the paint all game I would agree, but he's not.
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Man, sometimes I wonder if you're even watching the same player. Lofting up jumpers? Yeah, he shoots a lot of turn-around jumpers, but only after he's spent a considerable amount of time and energy working for position and setting his man up.
 
e_blazer said:
Man, sometimes I wonder if you're even watching the same player. Lofting up jumpers? Yeah, he shoots a lot of turn-around jumpers, but only after he's spent a considerable amount of time and energy working for position and setting his man up.
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Eh, I don't know... sure, definitely he does that during part of the game, but there's also a lot of shots where he just sits at the top of the key and jacks a shot, or runs a pick and pop. Those can't possibly expel a ton of energy.

Garnett was 1st team defense a number of times. So was Kobe. Do you think LA works harder on offense than either of those guys?
 
Save money signing Love, go after Hibbert for D.
 
e_blazer said:
Man, sometimes I wonder if you're even watching the same player. Lofting up jumpers? Yeah, he shoots a lot of turn-around jumpers, but only after he's spent a considerable amount of time and energy working for position and setting his man up.
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Which is part of his problem. If he didn't get the ball and then dribble four times and let the Defense adjust, he wouldn't have to put as much effort into shooting jump shots as he does. Its a huge complaint that most have on this board against LMA, even his fans like me. LMA's biggest weakness is not being assertive enough. When is he going to do the one dribble drop a shoulder and take two steps to the hoop and dunk it?
He plays soft on D and plays soft in the post.
I love the guy and don't want to see him leave, but if he stays, in order to win, he needs to be more aggressive and quick with his decision making. Not sit and wait till the defense comes because he isn't a good passer to find the open guy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Eh, I don't know... sure, definitely he does that during part of the game, but there's also a lot of shots where he just sits at the top of the key and jacks a shot, or runs a pick and pop. Those can't possibly expel a ton of energy.

Garnett was 1st team defense a number of times. So was Kobe. Do you think LA works harder on offense than either of those guys?
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This!
 
Natebishop3 said:
Eh, I don't know... sure, definitely he does that during part of the game, but there's also a lot of shots where he just sits at the top of the key and jacks a shot, or runs a pick and pop. Those can't possibly expel a ton of energy.

Garnett was 1st team defense a number of times. So was Kobe. Do you think LA works harder on offense than either of those guys?
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If he got a ton of those open looks that you're talking about, his percentage would be better than it is. My perception is that he works pretty hard for the majority of his points. As far as Garnett and Kobe go, were either of those guys known as help defenders? That's what I was commenting on. I think LA is pretty good at covering his man, but I don't know that it's reasonable to expect him to provide a steady diet of helping other guys' missed assignments and still have the energy to produce in the 4th quarter. Just a comment.
 
So we're seriously meant to envisage a Blazers lineup of Lillard, CJ, whomever scrub we pick up because Batum has been traded for a pittance (oh that's right - Kristaps "the white KD" Porzingis), Kevin Love and Meyers Leonard? Would that be the worst defensive lineup in modern NBA history? I guess people are just focusing on the Warriors' offense and ignoring the whole "NBA-leading defense" part.
 
Schilly said:
The one positive in Love is if... if.. Lamarcus leaves Love is a good PF, and his max is lower than Aldridge meaning we would have more cap space to swing big.
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Love is a 7 yr vet. Aldridge is a 9 yr vet. The max for a 7-9 yr vet is 30% of the CAP (about $20,130,000).
Some other potential PF/C free agent targets:
- Greg Monroe, 5 yr vet. (25% of CAP max, about $16,775,000)
- DeAndre Jordan, 7 yr vet. (30% of CAP max)
- Brook Lopez, 7 yr vet (30% of CAP max)
- Roy Hibbert, 7 yr vet (30% of CAP max)
- Paul Millsap, 9 yr vet (30% of CAP max)
- Tyson Chandler, 14 yr vet (35% of CAP max)

My guess is the Blazers go after Greg Monroe and try to keep LaMarcus. They could free up about $17.5M by renouncing Matthews, Lopez, Wright, Freeland, Gee, Frazier, Afflalo, Kaman, and our MLE. Just enough to grab a max 0-6 yr vet, but not enough to get a 7+ yr vet.
 
Yeah, LMA doesn't expend that much energy on either end of the court. 7 FGA per game within 9 feet of the basket...and you figure he gets 1-2 easy layups without having to do much work.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Which is part of his problem. If he didn't get the ball and then dribble four times and let the Defense adjust, he wouldn't have to put as much effort into shooting jump shots as he does. Its a huge complaint that most have on this board against LMA, even his fans like me. LMA's biggest weakness is not being assertive enough. When is he going to do the one dribble drop a shoulder and take two steps to the hoop and dunk it?
He plays soft on D and plays soft in the post.
I love the guy and don't want to see him leave, but if he stays, in order to win, he needs to be more aggressive and quick with his decision making. Not sit and wait till the defense comes because he isn't a good passer to find the open guy.
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Yeah, I understand the complaint. I mean, I've been on this board since about the dawn of time and I've read the complaints often enough. A), it's not like the opposition isn't keying on stopping him from doing what you want him to. B), it's the variety of moves that he's developed that keeps the defense guessing and opens up opportunities to get to the hole. If that's all he tried to do, he'd be a lot easier to guard. But, yeah, we'd all like to see him take it to the hole more than he does.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Malone was first team defense, so was Duncan and Garnett. The argument just doesn't hold water.
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Your argument that making the first team defensive team indicates whether a guy is a good help defender is what doesn't hold water.

Wish I had more time to discuss this, but work is calling.
 
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