Rumored deal?

[MadeFromDust]

OTR has been informed about a deal which is almost done that will send Andre Miller to the Portland Trailblazers, Steve Blake and someone else to the Chicago Bulls, and Kirk Hinrich to the Philadelphia 76ers.

Apparently, this deal will get done if Andre Miller is able to get more money in some sort of way.

OTR isn’t 100% positive that this deal has any truth to it, but thought we would just throw it out there.

http://otrsportsonline.com/2009/07/19/76ers-land-kirk-hinrich-andre-miller-to-portland/

Don't how reliable the source is, but I guess I'd be open to the idea of getting Miller at this point. It's basically him or nothing.

 

[Hoops Manifesto]

Miller would fit in real nice with the Blazers. Not sure why Chicago would do that deal though.

 

[Mediocre Man]

That deal would piss me off.


Any deal involving Miller and Hinrich should have Hinrich coming here, not Miller.

That being said, depending on what else went with Blake, Miller would be an upgrade.

 

[LittleAlex]

That deal would be ass. Miller isn't enough of an upgrade and is way too old.

 

[oldmangrouch]

That deal would piss me off.


Any deal involving Miller and Hinrich should have Hinrich coming here, not Miller.

That being said, depending on what else went with Blake, Miller would be an upgrade.

Not sure why it would piss you off.

Miller is the superior playmaker, and Hinrich's edge on defense is exagerated by the high percentage of time he spends defending SGs.

 

[oldmangrouch]

That deal would be ass. Miller isn't enough of an upgrade and is way too old.

Are you serious? Miller could age 10 years overnight and break his hip getting out of bed - and he would still be laughably superior to Blake in getting the ball to Oden/LMA.

 

[MikeDC]

Well, Miller is 33 and Hinrich is only 28. I'd much prefer him if I were the Blazers. Also Kirk can shoot the 3 pretty well, although not spectacularly, while Miller does the opposite of space the floor.

If I'm a Bulls I'm looking for cap space, but I have a pretty hard time just taking back Blake given the state of the team otherwise. Of course, the Bulls have continued to disappoint me with their moves and I don't think they're really serious about building a winner, so this doesn't mean I think something like this won't go down.

 

[SpanishFly]

Well, Miller is 33 and Hinrich is only 28. I'd much prefer him if I were the Blazers. Also Kirk can shoot the 3 pretty well, although not spectacularly, while Miller does the opposite of space the floor.

If I'm a Bulls I'm looking for cap space, but I have a pretty hard time just taking back Blake given the state of the team otherwise. Of course, the Bulls have continued to disappoint me with their moves and I don't think they're really serious about building a winner, so this doesn't mean I think something like this won't go down.

This makes little sense to me. Two things, we could could likely sign Miller easily for 13-14 mil for two seasons and give up no one. Secondly, I think mgmt much prefers Hinrich so why send him to Philly?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Not sure why it would piss you off.

Miller is the superior playmaker, and Hinrich's edge on defense is exagerated by the high percentage of time he spends defending SGs.

He definately does guard his fair share of SG's, but he did make one of the all defensive teams as a starter a PG.

He is clearly the best defender listed.

You are right about Miller though. People here read Quick and Freeman, and think he is not an upgrade.

Portland will still be a very good 3pt shooting team without Blake. Portland with Miller would also be a lot better at getting easy baskets, drawing fouls for and 1's

Miller gets more assists, rebounds, steals and even blocks. Miller shoots a better % from the field, and is pretty equal to Blake at the FT line.....Although Blake is better. 3pt% is the only category where Blake stands out, but the key to that stat is that Miller doesn't attempt a lot of 3's. Instead, he attempts almost 4 more FT's a game.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This makes little sense to me. Two things, we could could likely sign Miller easily for 13-14 mil for two seasons and give up no one. Secondly, I think mgmt much prefers Hinrich so why send him to Philly?

Pressure to make a move?

One would think Management would much prefer alomst any other starting PG to Blake, but they haven't appeared to do anything to get one.

 

[MikeDC]

This makes little sense to me. Two things, we could could likely sign Miller easily for 13-14 mil for two seasons and give up no one. Secondly, I think mgmt much prefers Hinrich so why send him to Philly?

What makes little sense to you then; the rumor or my thoughts on it?

I would agree the rumor makes little sense. I guess I agree with you that Blazers management would prefer Hinrich and I think he's a better fit for the Blazers than Miller.

But sure, if the Blazers can effectively trade Blake for Miller, that's certainly an upgrade for them. If getting Hinrich isn't feasible, then getting Miller is still better than standing pat with Blake. It's just not as good, I think, as lots of folks will be hoping for. Perhaps if the Blazers really have faith in Bayless to take over the position in a couple years though, Miller is a good stopgap. I'm quite skeptical of Bayless working out, but Miller makes sense from that perspective.

 

[SpanishFly]

What makes little sense to you then; the rumor or my thoughts on it?

I would agree the rumor makes little sense. I guess I agree with you that Blazers management would prefer Hinrich and I think he's a better fit for the Blazers than Miller.

But sure, if the Blazers can effectively trade Blake for Miller, that's certainly an upgrade for them. If getting Hinrich isn't feasible, then getting Miller is still better than standing pat with Blake. It's just not as good, I think, as lots of folks will be hoping for.

"The rumor" makes little sense to me.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

What? I don't like this at all. If CHI is agreeable to Blake and Outlaw, PHL doesn't have to be part of this.

 

[MikeDC]

I edited my post to add a bit. I think Miller makes some sense as an upgraded stopgap if they really think Bayless is gonna be the cat's ass. I don't think he will be, but if they do, then Miller > Blake in the short run.

Still, seems like they should and could get a more long-run option with that cap space.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I dont buy this for a second. No way we deal for Miller. If we are involved in this deal, we get Hinrich not Miller. Miller cant hit the 3 which is important for the PG in our offense. I'd much rather have Blake and his contract than Miller and the contract he wants.

 

[Entity]

Yeah, I don't know why Portland wouldn't just sign Miller if they wanted him. Maybe they'd still have some cap space doing it this way, but I'd rather have Hinrich if he's any part of the deal. Why trade him to a conference rival?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

For that matter, this site hasnt broken any news that I could tell. No rep, no believe.

 

[Uther TheGardener]

maybe they mixed up who is going where...hinrich to portland.

 

[ODENISGOD]

Thank God you people don't run the blazers! Miller>steve blake jr miller can get into the lane and create. steve blake jr is well steve blake. GET MILLER NOW!

 

[Mediocre Man]

Thank God you people don't run the blazers! Miller>steve blake jr miller can get into the lane and create. steve blake jr is well steve blake. GET MILLER NOW!

As one of the few people who don't have you on ignore, and an avid hater of most of your posts, I actually agree with you on this. Miller is a lot better than Blake, and I think what some people need to understand is that Millers ability to get into the lane will opn up a ton of wide open looks from 3.

 

[SpanishFly]

Thank God you people don't run the blazers! Miller>steve blake jr miller can get into the lane and create. steve blake jr is well steve blake. GET MILLER NOW!

Do you understand that many of us probably believe that "Miller>Blake"? But what we are saying is that there is no reason to do this trade since we can just go out and sign Miller as an FA and keep or trade Blake. In addition, I think many or most here probably feel as I do that Hinrich is a better fit for us than Miller - so again why would we facilitate a Hinrich trade to Philly?

 

[RR7]

Maybe the S&T is specifically to open up slightly more cap space? Or, with the knowledge that we will play a lot of a 3 guard rotation of Miller, Roy, and Rudy, and the team feels like the right thing to do is move Blake, and sign an older vet to play 3rd string. That Blake would be wasted at 4 million getting 10 minutes a night. Signing Miller to a deal at 6.5 a year, let's say 2 years 13 million still leaves us with a little over 5 million in cap space. Not that we would necessarily use it, but it still gives us that flexibility for an in season trade if we desired, and by using Outlaw's contract witht hat space, woud give us over 8.5 to move.

I have been down and up and down on Miller. I do think that he creates a dimension to our offense that is lacking right now. Someone else to attack and get easy baskets for LMA and Oden off of dump offs wouldbe nice to see.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Do you understand that many of us probably believe that "Miller>Blake"? But what we are saying is that there is no reason to do this trade since we can just go out and sign Miller as an FA and keep or trade Blake. In addition, I think many or most here probably feel as I do that Hinrich is a better fit for us than Miller - so again why would we facilitate a Hinrich trade to Philly?

The reason would be to retain cap space.

Blake and Outlaw for Miller still allows Portland to have 8 million or so in cap space to sign Lee for example. I'm not saying that is the plan, but it could be. If that is the plan I am not saying Lee is the player either.

But

Miller and Lee is an upgrade over Blake and Outlaw.

 

[RR7]

Or if it was just Blake for Miller, and a separate sign and trade of Outlaw for Lee? To ensure NY doesn't match an offer for him, making sure he is ok with backup minutes.

 

[SpanishFly]

Maybe the S&T is specifically to open up slightly more cap space? Or, with the knowledge that we will play a lot of a 3 guard rotation of Miller, Roy, and Rudy, and the team feels like the right thing to do is move Blake, and sign an older vet to play 3rd string. That Blake would be wasted at 4 million getting 10 minutes a night. Signing Miller to a deal at 6.5 a year, let's say 2 years 13 million still leaves us with a little over 5 million in cap space. Not that we would necessarily use it, but it still gives us that flexibility for an in season trade if we desired, and by using Outlaw's contract witht hat space, woud give us over 8.5 to move.

I have been down and up and down on Miller. I do think that he creates a dimension to our offense that is lacking right now. Someone else to attack and get easy baskets for LMA and Oden off of dump offs wouldbe nice to see.

I actually like the idea of a Miller/Blake combo (still prefer Hinrich), nice flexibility depending upon situational needs. Problem with that is Bayless likely gets very little on court time and the key is whether mgmt believes in him and wants to give him that time.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Or if it was just Blake for Miller, and a separate sign and trade of Outlaw for Lee? To ensure NY doesn't match an offer for him, making sure he is ok with backup minutes.

Exactly. I mean God only knows what KP is thinking....literally, but something along those lines makes sense at least

 

[SpanishFly]

The reason would be to retain cap space.

Blake and Outlaw for Miller still allows Portland to have 8 million or so in cap space to sign Lee for example. I'm not saying that is the plan, but it could be. If that is the plan I am not saying Lee is the player either.

But

Miller and Lee is an upgrade over Blake and Outlaw.

You have made a good point about keeping capspace.

 

[illmatic99]

I've never even heard of this blog. Why would they get word of this rumor, while other more credible sources haven't heard anything?

Either way, I'll echo the sentiment of Hinrich > Miller. Take out Philly.

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

Why does Chicago do this? If it is to get Blake, then why not just deal Hinrich to us for Blake\Outlaw?

Why do we do this? Lose the guy we really want to get a slight upgrade for a couple seasons until Bayless is ready? That we could get just straight up and not lose Blake?

Sounds like this is some BS rumor.

 

[RR7]

Chicago, I am guessing, would get Willie Green from Philly, so that they have another SG on their roster.