Rumored deal?

[OddEnormous]

"Apparently, this deal will like get done if like Andre Miller is able to get like more money in some sort of way or something."

Jesus Christ.



Top notch writing. It MUST be true.

 

[Денг Гордон]

There is zero chance that the Bulls trade Hinrich for Blake. They're in love with the guy. They chose him over Gordon internally.

This looks just completely made up.

 

[Wheels]

Either way, I'll echo the sentiment of Hinrich > Miller. Take out Philly.

This

 

[ODENISGOD]

As one of the few people who don't have you on ignore, and an avid hater of most of your posts, I actually agree with you on this. Miller is a lot better than Blake, and I think what some people need to understand is that Millers ability to get into the lane will opn up a ton of wide open looks from 3.

Forget the 3's! I don't wanna be Orlando 2.0. I truly believe 3 point shooting teams will never win a college or pro championship. If miller can get into the lane its going to make oden look a hell of a lot better PERIOD! Every day I imagine what this beast could do with a real point guard setting him up. But I lack faith in KP finding him one. But I sure hope he does.

 

[ODENISGOD]

There is zero chance that the Bulls trade Hinrich for Blake. They're in love with the guy. They chose him over Gordon internally.

This looks just completely made up.

Throw in Bayless

 

[Rastapopoulos]

There is zero chance that the Bulls trade Hinrich for Blake. They're in love with the guy. They chose him over Gordon internally.

I do all my choosing internally.

Let's see:

"Keep the guy we've got signed to a $10M per deal, despite the fact that he's our second-best PG and always seems to be injured these days, or keep the guy who was just absolutely amazing in the playoffs and is our only reliable scorer?

What's that you say? One of them's a free agent, so we can let him go and save money? Easy choice!"

They may "love" Hinrich enough to keep him over Steve Blake, but we'll see. Somehow I imagine the market for Kirk Hinrich isn't exactly that great.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Sign Miller to start, keep Blake as the back up, and send Bayless to the NBDL.

 

[Blaze01]

I think that this rumor got mixed up....

Miller to CHI

Hinrich to POR

Blake and ??? to Philly

Philly could lose Miller outright for nothing...I read apparently there was a connection b\t Blake and one of thier coaches\mgmt there and there was a rumor that if there was a S&T that Blake and another player (Outlaw?) or considerations could likely be involved...POR obviously has ben linked to Hinrich for awhile and here is the if...IF CHI had interest in Miller as a backup for Rose (or to play alonside him some?) then this deal makes some sense....They don't have the money to give him what he wants $8-9mil...POR does....I guess they could just deal with Philly direct?...but if this rumor has any legs, it seems to be the sort of deal that POR concocted to get a player they coveted (Hinrich) and get CHI a player they have interest in (Miller), since perhaps they don't have much interest in Blake or Outlaw and POR is unwilling to let Bayless go yet....

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Do you understand that many of us probably believe that "Miller>Blake"? But what we are saying is that there is no reason to do this trade since we can just go out and sign Miller as an FA and keep or trade Blake. In addition, I think many or most here probably feel as I do that Hinrich is a better fit for us than Miller - so again why would we facilitate a Hinrich trade to Philly?

Exactly.

 

[RR7]

I don't think the rumor got all that mixed up. For Chicago, it would make no sense to get Miller when they can get Blake cheaper, on an expiring contract.

I think a simple 3 way swap, Blake and Willie Green to Chicago, Hinrich to Philly, Miller to Portland works for all 3 parties. Especially if Miller was signed to a 2 year deal, maybe team option for the 3rd. 13-14 million.

 

[Minstrel]

I'd be reasonably happy with either player. Hinrich is younger and might be a slightly better fit, Miller is the better player and you can find ways to fit in a gifted play-maker.

Of course, my question is: Assuming this rumour is legit (probably asked and answered right there), if Portland is interested in Andre Miller, a guy who can't shoot the three, why not Ramon Sessions?

 

[LittleAlex]

If the deal was for only 1 or 2 years then it would be ok I guess.

Not really optional though.

Miller WAS better then Blake last year, but I don't know how much longer Miller can keep it up at his age.

It is just sad to consider getting old Miller when young Miller (Sessions) can be made an offer.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

I don't think the rumor got all that mixed up. For Chicago, it would make no sense to get Miller when they can get Blake cheaper, on an expiring contract.

I think a simple 3 way swap, Blake and Willie Green to Chicago, Hinrich to Philly, Miller to Portland works for all 3 parties. Especially if Miller was signed to a 2 year deal, maybe team option for the 3rd. 13-14 million.

So, the motivation to choose Miller over Hinrich is per-year salary being less, length of contract shorter, and allows Portland to not give up as much salary cap space?

 

[RR7]

I'd be reasonably happy with either player. Hinrich is younger and might be a slightly better fit, Miller is the better player and you can find ways to fit in a gifted play-maker.

Of course, my question is: Assuming this rumour is legit (probably asked and answered right there), if Portland is interested in Andre Miller, a guy who can't shoot the three, why not Ramon Sessions?

My guess would be Bayless. Or at least, that makes the most sense to me. I know he isn't going to be a "True PG" that many want. But maybe KP and Nate have seen enough to like out o fhim where, Miller bridges the gap for a year or two to Bayless, whereas adding Sessions relegates Bayless to career backup, trade fodder, or eventual starter, making Sessions a very expensive backup.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

...if Portland is interested in Andre Miller, a guy who can't shoot the three, why not Ramon Sessions?

Experience? Tested?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Has Miller ever played with another high-usage guard, like Brandon?

I really question how well Miller can play off Brandon.

 

[Wheels]

Experience? Tested?

1st round tested? this is an honest question.. not a smart ass remark, has he ever gotten out of the 1st round?

 

[RR7]

So, the motivation to choose Miller over Hinrich is per-year salary being less, length of contract shorter, and allows Portland to not give up as much salary cap space?

That, and maybe Portland wants another player who can create for others. Someone else who can get to the rim and either attack the basket for layups/FTs, or create easy dunks, layups for Oden and Aldridge when attacking.

 

[Wheels]

That, and maybe Portland wants another player who can create for others. Someone else who can get to the rim and either attack the basket for layups/FTs, or create easy dunks, layups for Oden and Aldridge when attacking.

Then I agree with Minstrel, if its not just about shooting, why not Sessions.

 

[blue32]

I so much like the idea of Bayless/Roy backcourt. W/Rudy subbin

oh yah, i like miller for a short term solution too, hell i'll do either.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

That, and maybe Portland wants another player who can create for others. Someone else who can get to the rim and either attack the basket for layups/FTs, or create easy dunks, layups for Oden and Aldridge when attacking.

And that's maybe the bigger reason. We saw how high of a priority it was to get a secondary playmaker when they went after Hedo.

I'm starting to warm up to this.

 

[Wheels]

My take on this rumor. I would prefer both Sessions and Odom before Hinrich. The more I think about Odom, I realize just how much it cripples the Lakers. their starting 4 (sorry Fisher) is monster, with Bynum, Kobe, Artest, and Gasol. But after that their bench is Walton, Farmar, Sasha, Powell, Brown, and Mbenga. am I missing someone? that is a big dropoff in their bench. The only guy I honestly like in that group is Brown.

 

[RR7]

I think Portland had a kind of two headed plan, or rather, one plan, with two avenues. One of either the SF or PG needed to be able to create opportunities better for themselves AND others. If you add that at the SF position(Hedo, Prince), then Blake was acceptable at the PG position, with Bayless backing him up. However, if the SF position was not upgraded, then you looked to do it at the PG position(Miller, Nash, etc.) and then you are fine at SF with Batum and Webster.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

1st round tested? this is an honest question.. not a smart ass remark, has he ever gotten out of the 1st round?

Right, but he's at least made it as deep as the rest of our core, ya know?

Look at the players we've been after. All of them have had Playoff experience with the exception of David Lee, although he was with Florida, so they likely consider him a more proven commodity?

I dunno. Just trying to make sense of this.

 

[Wheels]

I think Portland had a kind of two headed plan, or rather, one plan, with two avenues. One of either the SF or PG needed to be able to create opportunities better for themselves AND others. If you add that at the SF position(Hedo, Prince), then Blake was acceptable at the PG position, with Bayless backing him up. However, if the SF position was not upgraded, then you looked to do it at the PG position(Miller, Nash, etc.) and then you are fine at SF with Batum and Webster.

agreed, I had thought that before as well.

 

[axs88]

Has Miller ever played with another high-usage guard, like Brandon?

I really question how well Miller can play off Brandon.

Iguodala.

 

[Wheels]

Right, but he's at least made it as deep as the rest of our core, ya know?

Look at the players we've been after. All of them have had Playoff experience with the exception of David Lee, although he was with Florida, so they likely consider him a more proven commodity?

I dunno. Just trying to make sense of this.

yeah I know, I'm not jumping on you or anything, sorry if it seemed that way. I just think if the only extra experience he has, is what we already have, why not go for sessions.

 

[RR7]

Just because he hasn't made it far in the playoffs doesn't take away from his experience playing in the league.

 

[Wheels]

Just because he hasn't made it far in the playoffs doesn't take away from his experience playing in the league.

you are right, but it also doesnt show us how one will react in a higher pressure situation in a WCF or so, that for him is as much of an enigma, as for the guys we have already.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Iguodala.

True, but Brandon's close the 27 Usuage, whereas Iggy is at 22. That's significant difference I believe.