Rumored deal?

[Iwatas]

I am totally on board for Sessions. S&T if Milwaukee will do it. If not, make a nice, big offer. For a very good (almost top-10, and only 23) PG, the max we could offer is not expensive.

PLEASE, KP!!!!

iWatas

 

[Entity]

Bulls fans (at large, not leaving out our resident) just finally caught wind of this rumor. They seem to think that Boozer can be had without trading Hinrich in a different deal, so it might be possible in their interests.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I can think of an excuse. He's a brutal outside shooter who dominates the ball. Hinrich would be a much better fit, although I'm not keen on that move either.

I think his lack of outside shooting is overstated. Ramon can stick the midrange jumper fairly well. He can get to the free throw line at an excellent rate which offsets the lack of three point shooting. Plus, he shot very well iln college so I'm not dead set on thinking he can't improve his shot. Kidd was a horrible shooter from 3 and now he's pretty darn good. I don't see how Hinrich is a much better fit, maybe if you want someone who will give you almost the exact same thing as last year. Maybe if you want a guy to not penetrate and give it to the bigs, then yea I suppose. Ramon would make our bigs so much better, which is of bigger significance than how he fits next to Roy.

 

[PapaG]

I think his lack of outside shooting is overstated. Ramon can stick the midrange jumper fairly well. He can get to the free throw line at an excellent rate which offsets the lack of three point shooting. I don't see how Hinrich is a much better fit, maybe if you want someone who will give you almost the exact same thing as last year. Maybe if you want a guy to not penetrate and give it to the bigs, then yea I suppose. Ramon would make our bigs so much better, which is of bigger significance than how he fits next to Roy.

Which elite big has he played with in Milwaukee?

 

[Wheels]

Thats it.. we could S&T them Outlaw and filler, for Sessions, or maybe just Outlaw, and then throw our cap space at Odom!!!

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Which elite big has he played with in Milwaukee?

Yi!

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Which elite big has he played with in Milwaukee?

Elite? None. That's not a problem since we don't have any elite big men of our own either. The same argument could be said of Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Derrick Rose. What's your point?

 

[PapaG]

Elite? None. That's not a problem since we don't have any elite big men of our own either. The same argument could be said of Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Derrick Rose. What's your point?

You said Sessions would make the Portland bigs better, didn't you? I'm wondering what you are basing that opinion on. You know, examples of dominant post players that have benefited from playing with Ramon Sessions. That sort of stuff. Bringing Paul, Williams, and Rose into seems silly, since Sessions is nowhere near the first two in terms of ability, and he's not even at Derrick Rose's level in terms of an all-around game.

Last I checked, LMA is better statistically on offense than any big on Milwaukee, and Greg Oden had better become an elite big, otherwise he'll have to be considered a bust at some point.

 

[oldmangrouch]

So, the motivation to choose Miller over Hinrich is per-year salary being less, length of contract shorter, and allows Portland to not give up as much salary cap space?

All of the above, plus it would indicate a welcome change in philosophy. Get a PG who will spoon-feed our big men, instead of being so perimeter oriented.

 

[PapaG]

All of the above, plus it would indicate a welcome change in philosophy. Get a PG who will spoon-feed our big men, instead of being so perimeter oriented.

Which offensively elite big has Andre Miller played with in his career?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Which offensively elite big has Andre Miller played with in his career?

The point was that he can get into the lane and dish.

The fact that he has averaged so many assists in his career without playing with an elite big man speaks volumes at how good he would be for us

 

[number 10]

But if you sign Sessions, and he doesn't pan out....

You're left going into the season relying on two very young players to run the PG position for a team expected to get past the first round of the playoffs. At least going into it with Miller, you basically know what you are getting. Same with sticking with Blake, or going to Hinrich, as well. Going in with Sessions, we know he can run a team that has absolutely nothing to play for. Milwaukee's team was basically on extended summer league after Redd went down. Do we know whether he can 'run an offense"? That he can play alongside a high usage guard and play 4th fiddle? We don't. I am not saying he can't, but he is stilla question mark as an above average starter in the league. Not as much as Bayless, but again, with Miller, Bayless has 2 years of backup time to learn, develop, etc. Signing Sessions makes him PG #1, which leaves much bigger question marks than signing Miller, and basically pushing the PG issue out 2 years, which is perfectly acceptable.

I'm not sure why bringing Sessions in would necessarily mean that Blake goes out, personally I'd much rather trade Bayless and go with Sessions and Blake as the PG rotation.

Also, while I agree that Sessions is a bit of an uncertainty, so too is Miller. What's to say that he won't fall off a cliff next season? Maybe he'd have a hard time adapting his game to Nate's system, or accepting Roy's leadership, or staying motivated after he gets his new contract? There is uncertainty with all players, not just young ones.

The Bulls just waived a player. Could mean they're making a move...

how many times does the "Team X waived a player, trade coming soon" thing actually work out? I swear, everyone gets all excited and then nothing comes of it.

 

[PapaG]

The point was that he can get into the lane and dish.

The fact that he has averaged so many assists in his career without playing with an elite big man speaks volumes at how good he would be for us

He averaged 1.5 more assists and 1 more TO than Blake last season in 5 more minutes per game. He's also a terrible 3 pt shooter (28%), although he is better than the utterly horrific Sessons. He's old and gets beat by quicker guards, just like Blake does.

I fail to see the upgrade.

 

[Mediocre Man]

He averaged 1.5 more assists and 1 more TO than Blake last season in 5 more minutes per game. He's also a terrible 3 pt shooter (28%), although he is better than the utterly horrific Sessons. He's old and gets beat by quicker guards, just like Blake does.

I fail to see the upgrade.

Then I am sorry for you.

 

[Wheels]

He averaged 1.5 more assists and 1 more TO than Blake last season in 5 more minutes per game. He's also a terrible 3 pt shooter (28%), although he is better than the utterly horrific Sessons. He's old and gets beat by quicker guards, just like Blake does.

I fail to see the upgrade.

upgrade in the luxury tax PA will have to pay next year.

 

[RR7]

1.5 assists and 1 more TO. Also pulled down 2 more rebounds, however, and attempted 4 more FTs a game. The benefit of those 4 FTs could be seen by the easy points, but also by the additional 2 fouls per game it causes against the opposition. Could be putting opposing bigs in foul trouble early, could be getting us into the bonus mroe often.

 

[RR7]

upgrade in the luxury tax PA will have to pay next year.

We're not near the luxury tax. Signing Andre Miller for all of our cap space will not put us in the luxury tax.

 

[Entity]

Well, two parties seem to agree on something. Both Bulls fans and Sixers fans wonder why in the world Portland wouldn't just cut Philly out of the Hinrich deal and take him themselves.

 

[PapaG]

Then I am sorry for you.

Miller will be 34 by next year's playoffs. He's not a long-term solution, and bringing him in for a year as a starter doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[RR7]

Why does an upgrade need to be a long term solution? Why can't we upgrade for two years, and then move on from there? Not every move has to benefit us 7 years from now.

 

[PapaG]

1.5 assists and 1 more TO. Also pulled down 2 more rebounds, however, and attempted 4 more FTs a game. The benefit of those 4 FTs could be seen by the easy points, but also by the additional 2 fouls per game it causes against the opposition. Could be putting opposing bigs in foul trouble early, could be getting us into the bonus mroe often.

Roy's usage is higher than Iguadola's, meaning Miller had more time with the ball in Philly than he'd have in Portland, and he had open lanes due to the way Philly runs their offense. If Oden is posting up, driving the lane opportunities are limited, unless the plan is to play Oden up top in a pick and roll. If that's the case, though, I'd rather have Roy with the ball over Miller, meaning Miller would need to hit open 3s off of a pick and roll rotation. Which is what Blake does...

 

[PapaG]

Why does an upgrade need to be a long term solution? Why can't we upgrade for two years, and then move on from there? Not every move has to benefit us 7 years from now.

I don't think Miller is an upgrade over Blake in terms of how this team runs its offense.

 

[Wheels]

We're not near the luxury tax. Signing Andre Miller for all of our cap space will not put us in the luxury tax.

next year it wont, with extensions kicking in?

 

[RR7]

And do you expect or want Roy to be the only person running that pick and roll, and the only wing player on our team or starting capable of initiating offense and penetrating? Everyone else shoudl just be spot up shooters? Wouldn't it benefit Roy mroe if the offense was varied to where others took a larger load the first three quarters, and he was more able to pick his spots of when to attack, but also able to conserve his energy for the 4th quarter?

 

[Luther]

Miller would be great. We need EASY buckets. He would provide a few and get to the line way more than Blake. The only knock on Miller is his 3pt shooting. Age is only an issue if a players performance is declining. Look at what he did to us last year and it should be pretty obvious his age isn't an issue. I don't think it happens, but I would like to see Andre in a Blazer jersey. No big contract though.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Miller will be 34 by next year's playoffs. He's not a long-term solution, and bringing him in for a year as a starter doesn't make much sense to me.

Ok. You certainly aren't going to convince me you are right, so let's agree to disagree. While not ideal, I think Miller would be a huge upgrade to Blake, and you don't. It's all good. I mean we both want the same thing at that end of the year for the team, I would assume.

 

[RR7]

I don't think so, since Miles' deal will be coming off then.

 

[PapaG]

I also find it a bit scary that in 10 years as a starter, Miller has never been the PG on a team that made it out of the 1st round of the playoffs. Throw the vet minimum at him and let him compete with Blake? I guess I'd be for that. Sign him to a contract that pays him anything over the vet minimum? No thanks.

 

[PapaG]

Ok. You certainly aren't going to convince me you are right, so let's agree to disagree. While not ideal, I think Miller would be a huge upgrade to Blake, and you don't. It's all good. I mean we both want the same thing at that end of the year for the team, I would assume.

I wouldn't hate Miller coming to Portland, but at a very low price and without a guarantee to start if Blake is still here. I don't think he's a bad player at all; I just don't think he's the right player for this team.

 

[Wheels]

I don't think so, since Miles' deal will be coming off then.

ah forgot about Miles.