Rumors and gossip

[Mediocre Man]

Is there a thread for this stuff already?

If not, here it is.

Could Oscar and Mo be headed out for a big? Stay tuned, kids

 

[Pinwheel1]

Sorry for asking the question again, but I keep getting mixed answers.......can we actually sign and trade multiple players in the same trade? Or combine them with other players?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Sorry for asking the question again, but I keep getting mixed answers.......can we actually sign and trade multiple players in the same trade? Or combine them with other players?

No, not if you mean RFA's. Unless the trades are split. As in we trade 2 guys out and somehow the trades are seen as two separate deals (so one player coming back in 1 trade and a pick coming back in a second). Or the deals have to be done while we are under cap. Hope that isn't too confusing...

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sorry for asking the question again, but I keep getting mixed answers.......can we actually sign and trade multiple players in the same trade? Or combine them with other players?

No

 

[illmatic99]

Oscar?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Oscar?

Oscar .... fill-in-blank .... wiener!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Sorry for asking the question again, but I keep getting mixed answers.......can we actually sign and trade multiple players in the same trade? Or combine them with other players?

Technically yes, but it's difficult. In order to do so, the new contracts that we're signing and then trading would need to not put us over the salary cap prior to the trade.

 

[illmatic99]

Oscar .... fill-in-blank .... wiener!

Ah.

 

[Mediocre Man]

No, not if you mean RFA's. Unless the trades are split. As in we trade 2 guys out and somehow the trades are seen as two separate deals (so one player coming back in 1 trade and a pick coming back in a second). Hope that isn't too confusing...

To expand on that, another thing we can do agree not to match. For pure example.
Boston wants both Harkless and Meyers. We want the white guy from Gonzaga. So we say, hey, we'll trade you Meyers for him and won't match Harkless if you sign him to an offer. Assuming both parties from Portland even want to go to Boston. It gets complicated, but easily doable

 

[illmatic99]

I mean, push comes to shove, we can renounce em and open up 15 mil of space in addition to the 7 or so we already have and absorb salary outright.

 

[Sedatedfork]

?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

One example of how we actually can (and would need to) add a second player to a sign/trade deal: Let's say Cleveland wanted to pay Wade $20m/year and wants to get rid of Love, and Miami was interested in Leonard for $14m/year. We could sign/trade Leonard to Miami and add Vonleh because the Leonard signing wouldn't put us over the cap, while Miami S&T's Wade to Cleveland, and then we could bring Love's $20m salary in because even though it would now put us over the cap, our outgoing salaries would be within $5M of the incoming salaries.

 

[Scalma]

Is there a thread for this stuff already?

If not, here it is.

Could Oscar and Mo be headed out for a big? Stay tuned, kids

Come on man! At least drop a hint on who they're targeting. Please?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Come on man! At least drop a hint on who they're targeting. Please?

Literally no idea

 

[Pinwheel1]

One example of how we actually can (and would need to) add a second player to a sign/trade deal: Let's say Cleveland wanted to pay Wade $20m/year and wants to get rid of Love, and Miami was interested in Leonard for $14m/year. We could sign/trade Leonard to Miami and add Vonleh because the Leonard signing wouldn't put us over the cap, while Miami S&T's Wade to Cleveland, and then we could bring Love's $20m salary in because even though it would now put us over the cap, our outgoing salaries would be within $5M of the incoming salaries.

OK this is where I get confused again. You keep saying we can combine the newly resigned player (i.e Meyers) and include another player (i.e Vonleh) in the trade............and i think others are saying you can't combine players in a sign and trade.

 

[Scalma]

Literally no idea

But it's for a big?

Both those guys seem to fit the 76ers profile so maybe it's Noel. I'm just guessing/hoping.

 

[illmatic99]

Here's a list of possibilities in a trade (not FA)
-Kanter
-Monroe
-Brolo
-Noel
-Vucevic
-Gortat
-Faried
-Love
-Henson

 

[BBert]

Is there a thread for this stuff already?

If not, here it is.

Could Oscar and Mo be headed out for a big? Stay tuned, kids

This question would interest me more if it was something you heard from your pizza delivery guy.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

OK this is where I get confused again. You keep saying we can combine the newly resigned player (i.e Meyers) and include another player (i.e Vonleh) in the trade............and i think others are saying you can't combine players in a sign and trade.

Because most people miss the aspect of "if the player is signed using capspace". Most of the time, when a player does a sign and trade, the initial signing puts that team over the cap, and they are then restricted to trading that player alone. If that initial signing does NOT put the team over the cap, additional players can be added.

The restriction on adding other players to a S&T deal is part of the "can't trade a player with other players within 2 months of acquiring him" rule, but that's all about whether or not cap room is used.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q84

An aggregated trade must be simultaneous -- aggregated non-simultaneous trades are not allowed. Also, if a team used an exception to acquire a player (which means it acquired the player by any means other than using cap room), it cannot include that player in an aggregated trade for two months.5
. . .
5It is commonly misreported that a team cannot aggregate a player (usually worded as trading the player with other players) for two months if the team is over the cap, or that a team that was under the cap when it made the initial trade cannot aggregate the player in a subsequent trade if it went over the cap in the meantime. Neither of these is true. All that matters is whether the player was acquired with an exception or with cap room.

 

[riverman]

Last rumor was Sullinger and I'd be totally on board with that move...Boston might take on Meyers in a sign and trade or Plumlee..Plumlee is an east coast guy who loves it back there, family and friends..I think he'd like being in the east.

 

[illmatic99]

Last rumor was Sullinger and I'd be totally on board with that move...Boston might take on Meyers in a sign and trade or Plumlee..Plumlee is an east coast guy who loves it back there, family and friends..I think he'd like being in the east.

Um Plums is from Indiana. And what rumor? Sullinger just posted stuff on his twitter saying he was expecting change. He is a FA so it's a reasonable assumption that he was on the move anyway. No connection to POR here.

 

[Scalma]

Here's a list of possibilities in a trade (not FA)
-Kanter
-Monroe
-Brolo
-Noel
-Vucevic
-Gortat
-Faried
-Love
-Henson

I'd give up mo/Meyers for Noel and that's pretty much it. Maybe Henson. Not a Vucevic fan. At least not for the blazers.

 

[Mediocre Man]

This question would interest me more if it was something you heard from your pizza delivery guy.

It was not

 

[Mediocre Man]

Last rumor was Sullinger and I'd be totally on board with that move...Boston might take on Meyers in a sign and trade or Plumlee..Plumlee is an east coast guy who loves it back there, family and friends..I think he'd like being in the east.

Interesting

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2016/02/boston_celtics_jared_sullinger_4.html

 

[Pinwheel1]

Last rumor was Sullinger and I'd be totally on board with that move...Boston might take on Meyers in a sign and trade or Plumlee..Plumlee is an east coast guy who loves it back there, family and friends..I think he'd like being in the east.

Sullinger IMO is a decent PF. Bangs down low and rebounds well. He also has some range. So I would trade them Meyers. But not Plumlee unless we were getting another center somewhere else. But it does not sound like Ainge would match so we could just sign him if we wanted him. But his weight seems to be an issue.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/07/06/jared-sullinger-happily-tweets-that-change-is-coming/

 

[RR7]

Here's a list of possibilities in a trade (not FA)
-Kanter
-Monroe
-Brolo
-Noel
-Vucevic
-Gortat
-Faried
-Love
-Henson

Out of that list, I think brook makes most sense, based on previous interest in low post scorers. And seems to make most sense on availability

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Out of that list, I think brook makes most sense, based on previous interest in low post scorers. And seems to make most sense on availability

Do we have the kind of assets Brooklyn would want in order to deal Brolo?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Do we have the kind of assets Brooklyn would want in order to deal Brolo?

They need picks. Badly. They don't have theirs until 2019. I think to START it would have to be 2 mid-to-late 1st rounders plus a guy who can grow in their system like Crabbe or Meyers. They like Crabbe a lot. Not sure he alone (even with picks) gets it done but that would be their thinking imo.

I don't see a deal there that works for both teams but I would like the guy on our squad a lot.

 

[lawai'a]

Speaking of Harkless....this is from the 4th before teams signed some other players:

"The Lakers are not done in free agency, but they do not appear to be in the market for any major players.

They might have a chance to add Moe Harkless of the Portland Trail Blazers, according to Marc J. Spears of The Undefeated. They are in competition with the Washington Wizards, Detroit Pistons, Dallas Mavericks and Utah Jazz for the 6'9" small forward. "

making up a rumor but if Mo gets $12m, salaries match for Gortat from Wash,Faried from denver, Favors from utah who was shopped last year(but i think for a stretch 4),

 

[riverman]

Um Plums is from Indiana. And what rumor? Sullinger just posted stuff on his twitter saying he was expecting change. He is a FA so it's a reasonable assumption that he was on the move anyway. No connection to POR here.

He started his career at Duke and in Brooklyn..when he had his exit interview he mentioned going back to the east with family and friends...I assumed it's the coast...didn't know he was from Indiana...I read the rumor here on the forum...someone posted a tweet. Rumors..that's what they are...am I in the wrong thread?