Running 15th man thread

[Scalma]

This off-season is a direct result of the choices they made last off-season. Anyone who complains about the lack of moves, should also be complaining about how atrocious the summer of '16 was.

Last offseason we kept everyone. Hindsight is great but none of those moves were that bad at the time. The most criticized one was? Crabbe? We are able to dump Crabbe, yet we did nothing to actually replace him. Meyers re-signing didn't affect cap space. Besides, you don't necessarily need cap space to improve a roster (not like anyone would come here anyway even if we had any.) We got Harkless for nothing. Could've easily made another move like that. Instead Olshey, uhh, signed Anthony Morrow?

 

[kjironman1]

But, but, but... This is the worst off season EVER!!!!

BNM

Could be unless of course they make it into the second round or better? Then this off season was awesome!

 

[tlongII]

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

I was all over that idiotic move of drafting Telfair at the time. We should have picked Al Jefferson.

 

[tlongII]

And this off-season has been very good. I would have liked to get Paul George, but Melo can SUCK IT! Olshey hit it out of the park with his draft choices. We have a healthy Nurk and a healthy Big Ed. We are going to be hell for anybody to deal with us down low.

 

[tlongII]

Wait a minute... Did I just say down low?

 

[blue9]

This off-season is a direct result of the choices they made last off-season. Anyone who complains about the lack of moves, should also be complaining about how atrocious the summer of '16 was.

Agreed - last off season was pretty bad. The only good thing we did last off season was extend Harkless. Otherwise, last off season was worse than this off season.

 

[tester551]

Agreed - last off season was pretty bad. The only good thing we did last off season was extend Harkless. Otherwise, last off season was worse than this off season.

My point was that the moves made in Summer '16 made it so there were no options for move in '17.

 

[Scalma]

Agreed - last off season was pretty bad. The only good thing we did last off season was extend Harkless. Otherwise, last off season was worse than this off season.

Would you say our team is better or worse with Crabbe on it?

 

[blue9]

My point was that the moves made in Summer '16 made it so there were no options for move in '17.

Oh, I get it. Last summer we all knew we wouldn't have another crack at free agency for the foreseeable future.

 

[blue9]

Would you say our team is better or worse with Crabbe on it?

With Crabbe? Better. I fail to see how a team can be better by cutting one of the best 3-point shooters in the league.
I'm not upset about cutting Crabbe - but it certainly didn't make us a better team.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

With Crabbe? Better. I fail to see how a team can be better by cutting one of the best 3-point shooters in the league.
I'm not upset about cutting Crabbe - but it certainly didn't make us a better team.

I will disagree. Crabbe got a lot of minutes as a very one-dimensional player. If we can get in the neighborhood with shooting by someone who can do more than just shoot, we are better.

#NotACrabbeFan

 

[dviss1]

Can't understand not keeping Briscoe

Right on cue.

 

[dviss1]

I was all over that idiotic move of drafting Telfair at the time. We should have picked Al Jefferson.

Even Darius Miles said that.

 

[tester551]

With Crabbe? Better. I fail to see how a team can be better by cutting one of the best 3-point shooters in the league.
I'm not upset about cutting Crabbe - but it certainly didn't make us a better team.

Don't think it made us better, but I also don't think it made us worse.

 

[blue9]

I will disagree. Crabbe got a lot of minutes as a very one-dimensional player. If we can get in the neighborhood with shooting by someone who can do more than just shoot, we are better.

#NotACrabbeFan

I don't disagree. I get that it opens up opportunities for other players to step up...but it only creates a perception because of a coach's unwillingness to play an inexperienced player over an experienced player. All the players we have on the roster would still be on the roster had we not cut Crabbe. Ergo, we are worse because of the move.

Also, while Crabbe was not a very good player, he was one of our least bad players. We are now hoping that Pat or Jake can play as well or better than Crabbe in order for the cut to not be negative. If neither Pat nor Jake play as well as Crabbe did last season, then it made us worse. Neither Biggie nor Collins are taking Crabbes SG/SF position...and even if they were, they'd still be on the team regardless of whether we cut/kept Crabbe.

For better or worse, Crabbe was in the vicinity of our 5th best player last season - and we just cut that player without any return, and are hoping that last season's 10th-15th best player can replace our 5th best player.

As I've said, I'm not a fan of Crabbe and am glad to be out from under his contract. But there's no way we're better after cutting him. It was purely financial.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't disagree. I get that it opens up opportunities for other players to step up...but it only creates a perception because of a coach's unwillingness to play an inexperienced player over an experienced player. All the players we have on the roster would still be on the roster had we not cut Crabbe. Ergo, we are worse because of the move.

Also, while Crabbe was not a very good player, he was one of our least bad players. We are now hoping that Pat or Jake can play as well or better than Crabbe in order for the cut to not be negative. If neither Pat nor Jake play as well as Crabbe did last season, then it made us worse. Neither Biggie nor Collins are taking Crabbes SG/SF position...and even if they were, they'd still be on the team regardless of whether we cut/kept Crabbe.

For better or worse, Crabbe was in the vicinity of our 5th best player last season - and we just cut that player without any return, and are hoping that last season's 10th-15th best player can replace our 5th best player.

As I've said, I'm not a fan of Crabbe and am glad to be out from under his contract. But there's no way we're better after cutting him. It was purely financial.View attachment 16593

You are also assuming we will not use the TPE we got in the Crabbe trade, or use that open roster spot in some other way, to acquire a player capable of replacing Crabbe's production.

BNM

 

[blue9]

You are also assuming we will not use the TPE we got in the Crabbe trade, or use that open roster spot in some other way, to acquire a player capable of replacing Crabbe's production.

BNM

Until it happens it hasn't happened. We'll see what it turns into...
As for the open roster spot - Crabbe didn't create that. If we had Crabbe and wanted to create a roster spot that could be done fairly easily.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Until it happens it hasn't happened. We'll see what it turns into...
As for the open roster spot - Crabbe didn't create that. If we had Crabbe and wanted to create a roster spot that could be done fairly easily.

Not if we also wanted $12.9 TPE. That required "sacrificing" Crabbe.

But, you're right, we don't know when, or if, Neil will use the TPE. It all depends on how the team is doing and who is available.

I don't assume we will use it, but I don't assume we won't. It is a potential asset we would not have if we hadn't traded Crabbe. It remains to be seen if Olshey can turn that asset into something that helps the team more than Crabbe would have.

BNM

 

[Schilly]

If the 15th guy on your roster is ever the difference maker in a season you have issues.

 

[blue9]

Not if we also wanted $12.9 TPE. That required "sacrificing" Crabbe.

But, you're right, we don't know when, or if, Neil will use the TPE. It all depends on how the team is doing and who is available.

I don't assume we will use it, but I don't assume we won't. It is a potential asset we would not have if we hadn't traded Crabbe. It remains to be seen if Olshey can turn that asset into something that helps the team more than Crabbe would have.

BNM

Yeah, I was addressing those as two separate things. TPE is Crabbe-reliant, roster spot is not.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yeah, I was addressing those as two separate things. TPE is Crabbe-reliant, roster spot is not.

Understood, and agreed.

BNM

 

[kjironman1]

For better or worse, Crabbe was in the vicinity of our 5th best player last season - and we just cut that player without any return, and are hoping that last season's 10th-15th best player can replace our 5th best player.

The question about IF a player can move up to be the 5th best player seems silly when you are talking about how much money went off the books.

 

[Scalma]

The question about IF a player can move up to be the 5th best player seems silly when you are talking about how much money went off the books.

Aren't you a Meyers Leonard fan?

 

[Scalma]

Jameer Nelson is about to be waived. Doubt anyone claims him. Always been a fan of his. Ideal backup for a contender. Don't see Portland going after him because they already have Napier, but the idea is still a good one.

 

[Scalma]

Dumping Crabbe only to use the TPE makes little sense financially. I wouldn't hold my breath that that's the plan. The odds are high that they'll let it expire. Just look at the players they could potentially target with it. It's not that great. They may as well have just kept Crabbe.

 

[calvin natt]

Yeah..like Schilly wrote. If the 15th spot becomes an issue this season will likely be a total fiasco. I think it’s just because people think it’s fun to think of a new Blazer, of course one with name recognition.

 

[kjironman1]

Aren't you a Meyers Leonard fan?

Not really. But if he continues to play well i will be supporting him like all the Blazers yes.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

For better or worse, Crabbe was in the vicinity of our 5th best player last season

With that being the case, the bar for replacing that same vicinity player is pretty low. Doesn't seem like it would take a lot for someone else to step into that place.

Gramps...

 

[kjironman1]

The question about IF a player can move up to be the 5th best player seems silly when you are talking about how much money went off the books.

With that being the case, the bar for replacing that same vicinity player is pretty low. Doesn't seem like it would take a lot for someone else to step into that place.

You said this better than i did but i agree.

 

[blue9]

The question about IF a player can move up to be the 5th best player seems silly when you are talking about how much money went off the books.

Ughhhhh. As I've said repeatedly, I'm not at all upset about ditching Crabbe's contract. But his contract has nothing to do with the fact we cut our 5th best player and are hoping our 10th-15th best player can fill his role. I honestly don't think it should be that hard for Pat to do, but typically it would be pretty far fetched.

The fact is, this was purely a financial move and is not a case of addition by subtraction - we got worse. Period. Now, because I really do not care that we cut Crabbe, I'm going to do my best not to discuss it any longer.