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I've liked Duren from the get go, but many say draft a big at 20. This kid won't be there. He is not as polished as Paulo and Jabari. I'd take them over Duren today. But i'm afraid Duren will be the much better player in 3 years. Chet scares me too much. With the Blazers big man luck if Chet doesn't end his career with a broken leg I would be surprised. Sharpe also scares me as there are so many unknowns with him. Ivy won't be there at 7. I would take Duren over Murray at 7 because I think Duren can play the 4 and become the 5. But after the consensus top 4, I have;

5. Duren
6. Murray
7. Daniels
8. Sharpe based on nothing but reports he is good

Just my opinions. Cheers

I pretty much agree with everything you said except for one minor thing...I don't think he would help much at the 4 except on the rare occasions when you needed size for a matchup like a healthy Anthony Davis.

Although I do think he could defend perimeter shooting centers like Jokic better than anyone else we have.
 
okay well the more I look at the prospects I look at it this way. Out of the following:
Paulo
Jabari
Chet

Ivy
Murray
Sharpe
Daniels
Matherin
...which of those guys would you take Duren over?
I bolded the ones I rate over Duren, though I'll hedge and list the next 3 as possibilities. I'd like to stretch a tape on Ivey as I don't see him as a PG. He is a very dynamic player, but he's a scorer not a distributor and he'll have to be paired with someone else who can run the show in the half court. If he's 6'2ish 200 lbs as I suspect, thats Dame sized which limits him defensively and on which teams he fits. Smaller scorers are not that hard to come by but he's pretty dynamic so maybe. Sharpe is the mystery man who seems like he could be the real deal 2 guard and could turn out to be the best player in the draft. Like many I truly don't have a bead on him other then knowing he looks the part and has all the measurables. Maybe. Murray is a safe pick (high floor, modest ceiling) who would likely would contribute more in the short term. I wouldn't stand up and cheer, but I do think he's likely to be a solid pro & understand why PDX would to select him to try to appease Dame's window.

I understand the sentiment devaluing Centers in general, however I see Duren as having a very high ceiling once he's a few years in that could make him special. His strengths are what I value most in a Big & as contributing to winning team ball. That he is coordinated, intelligent and seems hard working/motivated bodes well for him developing a consistent shot down the line too. Again, very happy that Portland had him in and that it seemed to go well.

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I've read that rumor too. If their preferred player, Ivey, is gone they might take Duren.
I hadn't read that, it just makes sense as they've both a need there and the low fan base expectations to allow him to develop. What makes little sense is Ivey paired with Fox in Sacramento. Maybe the Kings extract some value from Detroit swapping picks and then go with Sharpe or Murray?

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At least he’s not Greg Oden who looked 58 and had the fragility to match the look.

I don't usually disagree with you gramps but Oden looked like a damn beast at Ohio State. He looked extremely athletic. Our stupid training staff decided to put a ton of extra muscle on his frame.
 
I don't usually disagree with you gramps but Oden looked like a damn beast at Ohio State. He looked extremely athletic. Our stupid training staff decided to put a ton of extra muscle on his frame.

Oden came into the NBA well built. He’d get an injury and then take the frustration out with food. He was living with like his 500lb uncle in Portland which I’m sure wasn’t a good influence.

Zion kind of reminds me of Oden’s career path. Glimpses of being a freaky good player, but the work ethic and mindset to feed your body good things and take care of themselves just isn’t there.
 
Oden came into the NBA well built. He’d get an injury and then take the frustration out with food. He was living with like his 500lb uncle in Portland which I’m sure wasn’t a good influence.

Zion kind of reminds me of Oden’s career path. Glimpses of being a freaky good player, but the work ethic and mindset to feed your body good things and take care of themselves just isn’t there.

Go look at pictures of him coming out of college and then pictures of him during his actual rookie season. He put on a TON of muscle.
 
I pretty much agree with everything you said except for one minor thing...I don't think he would help much at the 4 except on the rare occasions when you needed size for a matchup like a healthy Anthony Davis.

Although I do think he could defend perimeter shooting centers like Jokic better than anyone else we have.
In the unlikely chance that Nurkic becomes proficient enough shooting 3-pointers, Duren and Nurkic would be able to play together, like Jaxson Hayes and Jonas Valenciunas did to end the season.
 
I don't usually disagree with you gramps but Oden looked like a damn beast at Ohio State. He looked extremely athletic. Our stupid training staff decided to put a ton of extra muscle on his frame.

Not saying he didn’t look like a beast. I was thrilled we could get him. He was a monster at Ohio State.

Just saying he looked much older than he was and then things just seemed to keep breaking.
 
Great, we’re gonna trade back for multiple picks and take this guy and Grant.


Smh.
 
Great, we’re gonna trade back for multiple picks and take this guy and Grant.


Smh.

i wouldn’t hate that knicks trade if we ended up with obi,duren grant and Nurk as our front court but still doesn’t solve the 3
 
It those who don't who are the weird ones. I do it for the NFL and NBA drafts every year.
Sadly, I scheduled a family road trip for that whole week--I'll be in Yellowstone during the draft. :angry:
 
I bolded the ones I rate over Duren, though I'll hedge and list the next 3 as possibilities. I'd like to stretch a tape on Ivey as I don't see him as a PG. He is a very dynamic player, but he's a scorer not a distributor and he'll have to be paired with someone else who can run the show in the half court. If he's 6'2ish 200 lbs as I suspect, thats Dame sized which limits him defensively and on which teams he fits. Smaller scorers are not that hard to come by but he's pretty dynamic so maybe. Sharpe is the mystery man who seems like he could be the real deal 2 guard and could turn out to be the best player in the draft. Like many I truly don't have a bead on him other then knowing he looks the part and has all the measurables. Maybe. Murray is a safe pick (high floor, modest ceiling) who would likely would contribute more in the short term. I wouldn't stand up and cheer, but I do think he's likely to be a solid pro & understand why PDX would to select him to try to appease Dame's window.

I understand the sentiment devaluing Centers in general, however I see Duren as having a very high ceiling once he's a few years in that could make him special. His strengths are what I value most in a Big & as contributing to winning team ball. That he is coordinated, intelligent and seems hard working/motivated bodes well for him developing a consistent shot down the line too. Again, very happy that Portland had him in and that it seemed to go well.

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i can’t argue with your personal opinion. Your thoughts make sense.
I would be okay with Duren in a situation where we still were able to address the wing. This is why I am not payed the big bucks to figure this out lol.
I think duren could be a Bam type situation where he wasn’t fully utilized. I also don’t think Penny is a good coach or developer of talent which makes me skeptical on it Duren can contribute day 1. Not really his fault there but still a concern for me
 
i can’t argue with your personal opinion. Your thoughts make sense.
I would be okay with Duren in a situation where we still were able to address the wing. This is why I am not payed the big bucks to figure this out lol.
I think duren could be a Bam type situation where he wasn’t fully utilized. I also don’t think Penny is a good coach or developer of talent which makes me skeptical on it Duren can contribute day 1. Not really his fault there but still a concern for me
Thank you! I don't get paid the big bucks for my opinion either and I'm likely overlooking some things on other prospects as I haven't done a deep dive on everyone, but I am quite sure given health Duren is going to be a force in the league. I get the devaluation of 5s in today's game, & how much like the RB position in football they usually don't go at the top of the draft anymore. But when a true plus prospect comes out, you make exceptions to rules.

Not sure about Penny as a coach, but Memphis had terrible guards/distributors which of course directly affects post play. Rasheed was on Penny's staff last year and thats a pretty knowledgeable guy about Big man play. I wouldn't expect or count out Duren contributing much day 1 either as plenty of HoFers didn't do much their rookie years and Jalen isn't even 19.

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Thank you! I don't get paid the big bucks for my opinion either and I'm likely overlooking some things on other prospects as I haven't done a deep dive on everyone, but I am quite sure given health Duren is going to be a force in the league. I get the devaluation of 5s in today's game, & how much like the RB position in football they usually don't go at the top of the draft anymore. But when a true plus prospect comes out, you make exceptions to rules.

Not sure about Penny as a coach, but Memphis had terrible guards/distributors which of course directly affects post play. Rasheed was on Penny's staff last year and thats a pretty knowledgeable guy about Big man play. I wouldn't expect or count out Duren contributing much day 1 either as plenty of HoFers didn't do much their rookie years and Jalen isn't even 19.

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I think we can all agree Duren has potential. The question is where you take him.

if we keep 7, you can’t take him instead of Murray or Sochan IMO.

if we trade back to mid-first round, then yes, you swing for the potential all day.
 
I think we can all agree Duren has potential. The question is where you take him.

if we keep 7, you can’t take him instead of Murray or Sochan IMO.

if we trade back to mid-first round, then yes, you swing for the potential all day.
I definitely think we could and should trade back if we decide he's our guy but how far we can is something I'm not sure about. For sure we could get him if we traded back to San Antonio at 9 plus whatever else they gave us (20 or 25). We would probably be able to get him if we traded back to the Knicks at 11 and hopefully also got them to send out Randle as well, while we sent cap relief in the form of Bledsoe who would save them over 97M through the lifetime of Randle's deal. After that, I don't know if Duren will be there and he could even be gone at 11. This draft is really hard to predict.
 

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