Politics Russia 'hacked' 21 US states in election

[riverman]

Specifically, what law are you referring to that makes interfering in election illegal?

If there were no law...specifically J.P. Morgan would have owned he govt long ago...

 

[MarAzul]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-29

Which code did the Russians violate? Would any apply to the Spaniards?

Ps You got the quote in before I corrected it to make it specific to foreign governments.

 

[riverman]

Which code did the Russians violate?

they don't need to fill out applications to hack voting systems....

 

[MarAzul]

They kicked the Russians out of the diplomatic immunity mansion they had been using under Obama...he warned Trump....nice try but Obama was taking action against Russian hacking before Trump became president but Trump doesn' t really keep track of anything he's done or not done...he'd rather just shuffle the blame to get attention off his own lack of preparedness.....one thing about Trump....if he does something questionable he'll find a fall guy and get the attention off himself.......this is why nobody wants to work for him....he still can't fill positions that need filling....if you take a job from Trump....he's not loyal to his staff. He'll throw you under the bus to save face....over and over and over

Geez! It is embarrassing to see a grown man whine.

But you might rap you mind around the idea, Trump was elected Chief Executive as this power comes with being President. He is responsible for conducting Foreign affairs as he see fit. Nothing says it must be the same as the previous President.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Which code did the Russians violate? Would any apply to the Spaniards?

You need to stop with the silliness. If Hillary had won and the Russians had hacked the RNC you would be screaming for her arrest even if you couldn't figure out which laws she or Russia broke.

You're too smart not to see how this can manifest into chaos. Suddenly dems have China fuck with the repubs, repubs have Russia gut the dems. Are you an American or just a republican fanboy?

Foreign interference with our democracy is not acceptable even if you agree with the outcome. And I can't believe I have to say that to you of all people.

 

[riverman]

Geez! It is embarrassing to see a grown man whine.

so stop looking in the mirror dude.....you're about as angst driven as anybody who ever posts here....deal with discourse or keep whining about me like you whine about Obama

 

[MarAzul]

How do we enforce a US Law on Foreign Nationals that do not live here? Prosecution without their consent seem difficult.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How do we enforce a US Law on Foreign Nationals that do not live here? Prosecution without their consent seem difficult.

Why not figure out what exactly was done and if anyone here had knowledge and benefited from it.

 

[riverman]

How do we enforce a US Law on Foreign Nationals that do not live here? Prosecution without their consent seem difficult.

Welcome to the internet world

 

[MarAzul]

You need to stop with the silliness. If Hillary had won and the Russians had hacked the RNC you would be screaming for her arrest even if you couldn't figure out which laws she or Russia broke.

You're too smart not to see how this can manifest into chaos. Suddenly dems have China fuck with the repubs, repubs have Russia gut the dems. Are you an American or just a republican fanboy?

Foreign interference with our democracy is not acceptable even if you agree with the outcome. And I can't believe I have to say that to you of all people.

Careful Sly! Your horse may be too high!
Specifically what law did the Russians violate?
If you find the specific code, how do we prosecute the perpetrator? Who is the perpetrator?
Why didn't Obama do it?

Let's cut to the chase. This is a Foreign relations issue and it is Trumps to deal with just as it was Obama's before him. You know Obama punted. Trump ain't going to tell you what he is going to do, no matter how hard you wail. I agree with Trump and I am willing to see what happens, even though I know of no specific egregious interference that made a damn bit of difference.

 

[MarAzul]

Why not figure out what exactly was done

You don't know what is being figured out. I can tell that foreign relations are not being conducted in public and that pleases me.

if anyone here had knowledge and benefited from it.

I thought the FBI was investigating this and still is.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Careful Sly! Your horse may be too high!
Specifically what law did the Russians violate?
If you find the specific code, how do we prosecute the perpetrator? Who is the perpetrator?
Why didn't Obama do it?

Let's cut to the chase. This is a Foreign relations issue and it is Trumps to deal with just as it was Obama's before him. You know Obama punted. Trump ain't going to tell you what he is going to do, no matter how hard you wail. I agree with Trump and I am willing to see what happens, even though I know of no specific egregious interference that made a damn bit of difference.

Okay, it's perfectly legal. Can't wait for the next election when a dem asks China or North Korea to hack their opponent. Nice to know you support that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

You don't know what is being figured out. I can tell that foreign relations are not being conducted in public and that pleases me.


I thought the FBI was investigating this and still is.

An investigation that you've called for multiple times to be shut down.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Okay, it's perfectly legal. Can't wait for the next election when a dem asks China or North Korea to hack their opponent. Nice to know you support that.

 

[MarAzul]

Okay, it's perfectly legal. Can't wait for the next election when a dem asks China or North Korea to hack their opponent. Nice to know you support that.

Sorry Sly, but that is dumb! I did not expect you to be dumb, but there it is. Ban me now.

 

[MarAzul]

An investigation that you've called for multiple times to be shut down.

No. But this is dumb too.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sorry Sly, but that is dumb! I did not expect you to be dumb, but there it is. Ban me now.

No. But this is dumb too.

So you support the investigation of Russian interference of our election by the FBI and Special Council?

Good to know!

 

[MarAzul]

So you support the investigation of Russian interference of our election by the FBI and Special Council?

Good to know!

Ha! Just as I suspected! You are not dumb, just obtuse.
No, I think the special council is ridiculous.
But, if there is evidence the Russian Tried to interfere in elections, then an investigation into what they did, by the FBI and intelligence agencies seems to be warranted under the discretion of the President as it must be consistent with Foreign relations objectives.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ha! Just as I suspected! You are not dumb, just obtuse.
No, I think the special council is ridiculous.
But, if there is evidence the Russian Tried to interfere in elections, then an investigation into what they did, by the FBI and intelligence agencies seems to be warranted under the discretion of the President as it much be consistent with Foreign relations objectives.

And you would feel the exact same way if Hillary were president? You'd be fine with her overseeing the investigation?

 

[MarAzul]

you would feel the exact same way if Hillary were president? You'd be fine with her overseeing the investigation?

Fuck no! Hillary being President would be a disaster! But that is the way our system works.

 

[Denny Crane]

You need to stop with the silliness. If Hillary had won and the Russians had hacked the RNC you would be screaming for her arrest even if you couldn't figure out which laws she or Russia broke.

You're too smart not to see how this can manifest into chaos. Suddenly dems have China fuck with the repubs, repubs have Russia gut the dems. Are you an American or just a republican fanboy?

Foreign interference with our democracy is not acceptable even if you agree with the outcome. And I can't believe I have to say that to you of all people.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html

And if the Russians offered information and the Dems accepted it and/or coordinated w/ them they should be locked the fuck up.

It's not hard.

Trump is the one who keeps wanting to reduce or eliminate the sanctions on Russia. He was until this past week the one calling the Russia hacking fake news. You're the one who continually claims it wasn't the Russians. You guys are fucking weird.

 

[Denny Crane]

list of wrongful murder convictions in the US going back to 1600s....public records
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States

The founding fathers didn't expect the justice system to be right all the time. Due Process only requires a unanimous vote by a jury of one's peers, not Truth.

 

[riverman]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/comey-republicans-hacked-russia/index.html

You are now quoting cnn? What happened?

 

[Denny Crane]

And if the Russians offered information and the Dems accepted it and/or coordinated w/ them they should be locked the fuck up.

It's not hard.

Trump is the one who keeps wanting to reduce or eliminate the sanctions on Russia. He was until this past week the one calling the Russia hacking fake news. You're the one who continually claims it wasn't the Russians. You guys are fucking weird.

The RNC info was made public, too. It just wasn't damning. The #neverTrump republcan operation was done in full public display. Remember Romney's speech? The Democrats' lied, cheated, and fixed the primaries against Bernie Sanders - in secret.

 

[Denny Crane]

You are now quoting cnn? What happened?

I cite sources you cannot refute.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The RNC info was made public, too. It just wasn't damning. The #neverTrump republcan operation was done in full public display. Remember Romney's speech? The Democrats' lied, cheated, and fixed the primaries against Bernie Sanders - in secret.

Yes? Your point? If you want to investigate the dems then fine. But all you're doing is using it as an excuse not to continue the Russian investigation.

 

[riverman]

I cite sources you cannot refute.

you cut and paste....sometimes great stuff..sometimes not .but you threw cnn under the bus for shoddy work...Russians are fucking with American weaknesses...and they probably love partisan bickering over here but they don't care what you call the team....they want to influence things like..sanctions...military expansionism...whatever.....Trump could have been the libertarian candidate and they still would rather deal with him than the alternative.....and our national security should keep this in check....Trump just wants to ignore it

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes? Your point? If you want to investigate the dems then fine. But all you're doing is using it as an excuse not to continue the Russian investigation.

I haven't called for any end to any investigation. If it costs $millions to hunt snipe instead of spending many $billions we don't have, it's a plus.

 

[Denny Crane]

you cut and paste....sometimes great stuff..sometimes not .but you threw cnn under the bus for shoddy work...Russians are fucking with American weaknesses...and they probably love partisan bickering over here but they don't care what you call the team....they want to influence things like..sanctions...military expansionism...whatever.....Trump could have been the libertarian candidate and they still would rather deal with him than the alternative.....and our national security should keep this in check....Trump just wants to ignore it

This source quotes a named source, Comey in this case, with quotes that can be verified.

If you care to prove Comey didn't say what CNN claims, go for it.