Sad news in my area

[magnifier661]

They just found a boy that killed himself at a local middle school. Apparently he stole his dads gun and shot himself in the head at school.

I don't know all the details, but it just sucks that a child would do something like that to himself.

 

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Here is the article

http://www.theavtimes.com/2013/04/15/authorities-searching-for-suicidal-teen-possibly-armed/

 

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Hardy, a male cheerleader at the school, was being bullied and had gotten into a fight with another student last week, according to a Palmdale Station broadcast. That fight apparently resulted in Hardy’s suspension from the school, according to the broadcast.

Hardy’s father found an apparent suicide note in the 13-year-old’s room and alerted authorities Monday. The father’s firearm was also missing, but it was unknown whether Hardy had taken the weapon, officials said.

That's sad....

 

[ABM]

Wow, I'm hearing more and more about bullying these days.

I was just reading about this last evening. It's all just very sad....and maddening!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ndless-bullying-family-article-1.1314786?vm=r

 

[huevonkiller]

We have social media these days, Bullying is being reported more often, I don't think it is occurring more. Crime rates tend to improve with time.

Sad story though, I'm sorry to hear about it.

 

[magnifier661]

Wow, I'm hearing more and more about bullying these days.

I was just reading about this last evening. It's all just very sad....and maddening!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ndless-bullying-family-article-1.1314786?vm=r

Yeah bullying is so hard on a child in that stage of their lives. Their hormones are changing so rapidly that many become overwhelmed with emotions. When something like bullying happens, usually because they have some abnormal change; they become so overwhelmingly self conscious that they commit suicide.

 

[magnifier661]

We have social media these days, Bullying is being reported more often but crime rates tend to improve with time.

Sad story though, I'm sorry to hear about it.

I feel sorry for the dad. I couldn't imagine if my son used my gun to kill himself. Not that owning a gun is bad; just that the boy used your defense weapon to kill himself. It would be just as bad if the boy used a kitchen knife in his kitchen to slot his wrists.

 

[jlprk]

Emery should be sent to Juvie for a few years.

 

[porkchopexpress]

We have social media these days, Bullying is being reported more often, I don't think it is occurring more. Crime rates tend to improve with time.

Sad story though, I'm sorry to hear about it.

Social media plays a role, but it's not only in the in the reporting of incidents. With social media there is no safe place for kids who are bullied to go. In the past, kids could find some peace when they went home (or at least left school). In extreme cases parents used to be able to move to a new neighborhood, city or even state. With Facebook, etc, kids still get tracked down and terrorized by their bullies even if they're living thousands of miles away.

I know I've read of others like this, but here is the one I was thinking of.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...-youtube-video/story?id=17463266#.UW1647_WVUQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Amanda_Todd

 

[Further]

The one gun control law that I think could really have an effect is all guns should be required by law to be in a gun safe or have trigger locks. If guns are stolen and they were not properly safeguarded, the proper owner should be partially responsible for the crime. All these cases of guns being taken from parents, or stolen from honest citizens are getting out of control. You want to own a gun, fine, but you must keep it securely and rendered unusable by a thief.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

The one gun control law that I think could really have an effect is all guns should be required by law to be in a gun safe or have trigger locks. If guns are stolen and they were not properly safeguarded, the proper owner should be partially responsible for the crime. All these cases of guns being taken from parents, or stolen from honest citizens are getting out of control. You want to own a gun, fine, but you must keep it securely and rendered unusable by a thief.

Agreed, this is a good idea and I am all for people having whatever gun they want. They need to secure those guns however.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

some of it is bullying
some of it is the kids are also crazy

kids are all conditioned to think they are unique and special and then when the reality of the world hits them, they can't take it.

 

[huevonkiller]

The one gun control law that I think could really have an effect is all guns should be required by law to be in a gun safe or have trigger locks. If guns are stolen and they were not properly safeguarded, the proper owner should be partially responsible for the crime. All these cases of guns being taken from parents, or stolen from honest citizens are getting out of control. You want to own a gun, fine, but you must keep it securely and rendered unusable by a thief.

Why should someone be responsible for having their property stolen? I don't quite understand that. Gun safes or triggers also make it harder for poor people to get them. The state hardly ever revokes regulations, so in the long-run petty laws will continue to accumulate.

Gun laws are much more strict in Chicago and its hardly safer than other pro-gun areas.

 

[huevonkiller]

Social media plays a role, but it's not only in the in the reporting of incidents. With social media there is no safe place for kids who are bullied to go. In the past, kids could find some peace when they went home (or at least left school). In extreme cases parents used to be able to move to a new neighborhood, city or even state. With Facebook, etc, kids still get tracked down and terrorized by their bullies even if they're living thousands of miles away.

I know I've read of others like this, but here is the one I was thinking of.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...-youtube-video/story?id=17463266#.UW1647_WVUQ
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Amanda_Todd

You're not entitled to facebook or nice opinions though. I think this is what people do not realize, others have the right to be douchebags, it is up to kids (and their parents) to learn how to deal with reality or report crimes if something serious occurs.

And I know various people on social media that I can avoid in a variety of ways.

 

[MARIS61]

The one gun control law that I think could really have an effect is all guns should be required by law to be in a gun safe or have trigger locks. If guns are stolen and they were not properly safeguarded, the proper owner should be partially responsible for the crime. All these cases of guns being taken from parents, or stolen from honest citizens are getting out of control. You want to own a gun, fine, but you must keep it securely and rendered unusable by a thief.

That's like saying you can own a car but have to keep a boot on it at all times.

A locked away gun is of no use at all when needed for self-defense. Might as well require gun-owners to wear handcuffs and leave their valuables on the front porch too.

Anything legally in my possession or on my property is properly safeguarded simply by being in my possession.

Guns are stolen from locked safes all the time, and nobody has invented a trigger lock that can't be removed with a little effort.

Once again, we're trying to legislate against freedom rather than address the problem which in this case is evil kids who should be removed from society and school authorities refusing to act on violence in their schools.

 

[magnifier661]

That's like saying you can own a car but have to keep a boot on it at all times.

A locked away gun is of no use at all when needed for self-defense. Might as well require gun-owners to wear handcuffs and leave their valuables on the front porch too.

Anything legally in my possession or on my property is properly safeguarded simply by being in my possession.

Guns are stolen from locked safes all the time, and nobody has invented a trigger lock that can't be removed with a little effort.

Once again, we're trying to legislate against freedom rather than address the problem which in this case is evil kids who should be removed from society and school authorities refusing to act on violence in their schools.

I agree. Gun control wouldn't help in this scenario. The kid could have easily downed a bottle of sleeping pills and still get the job done.

 

[porkchopexpress]

You're not entitled to facebook or nice opinions though. I think this is what people do not realize, others have the right to be douchebags, it is up to kids (and their parents) to learn how to deal with reality or report crimes if something serious occurs.

And I know various people on social media that I can avoid in a variety of ways.

So, is it only bullying if you get physically beat? And no, you are not entitled to having a facebook profile, but you you shouldn't be forced to not have one because some punk ass kids are making your life hell.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I can't imagine the bullying I'd have gone through if the internet was ubiquitous when I was 11-16.

 

[Further]

Why should someone be responsible for having their property stolen? I don't quite understand that. Gun safes or triggers also make it harder for poor people to get them. The state hardly ever revokes regulations, so in the long-run petty laws will continue to accumulate.

Gun laws are much more strict in Chicago and its hardly safer than other pro-gun areas.

When your property is deadly, yes, you should take responsibility. I work in a lab and there are several chemicals that I deal with frequently that are deadly. It is my responsibility to properly handle them, lock them up when not in use, and account for every last spec of them. I even have to get govt. approval to use, transport or discard the items.

Yes, we should be able to have firearms. But with that right comes responsibility to handle them in such a way to minimize violence against the innocent.

A lot of things are difficult for poor people, but those are the breaks. You want to smoke or drink, well, there is a sin tax on those items that make it more difficult for a poor person to afford. A drivers license, Vehicle registration and on and on.

Just my 2 cents

 

[huevonkiller]

So, is it only bullying if you get physically beat? And no, you are not entitled to having a facebook profile, but you you shouldn't be forced to not have one because some punk ass kids are making your life hell.

It depends where the bullying occurs. In your house you get to make the rules, but facebook is not your property. Oh and in my house I might kick you out for something you consider petty. It all depends on the property owner.

Bullying is defined as the violation of property rights. Therefore you're not necessarily entitled to friendly conversations and your opinion is full of "force" anyway, so you're no angel. Political Correctness by the state is the end of freedom.

People in the real world own their bodies and have the right to say whatever they want, they own their vocal cords, not you. Where people get to say things is the only debate.

 

[huevonkiller]

When your property is deadly, yes, you should take responsibility. I work in a lab and there are several chemicals that I deal with frequently that are deadly. It is my responsibility to properly handle them, lock them up when not in use, and account for every last spec of them. I even have to get govt. approval to use, transport or discard the items.

Yes, we should be able to have firearms. But with that right comes responsibility to handle them in such a way to minimize violence against the innocent.

A lot of things are difficult for poor people, but those are the breaks. You want to smoke or drink, well, there is a sin tax on those items that make it more difficult for a poor person to afford. A drivers license, Vehicle registration and on and on.

Just my 2 cents

Maris had the better defense for that post anyway, gun safes make having a gun pointless when you need expeditious access.

The reality is you want to legislate every single low-probability-catastrophic event out of existence, but the argument is weak to me. In the long-run there is no such thing as limited arms regulations.

 

[huevonkiller]

That's like saying you can own a car but have to keep a boot on it at all times.

A locked away gun is of no use at all when needed for self-defense. Might as well require gun-owners to wear handcuffs and leave their valuables on the front porch too.

Anything legally in my possession or on my property is properly safeguarded simply by being in my possession.

Guns are stolen from locked safes all the time, and nobody has invented a trigger lock that can't be removed with a little effort.

Once again, we're trying to legislate against freedom rather than address the problem which in this case is evil kids who should be removed from society and school authorities refusing to act on violence in their schools.

I mostly agree, although some neighborhoods have private contracts addressing animals, guns, etc.

I think private contracts addresses both sides of the aisle the best.

 

[porkchopexpress]

It depends where the bullying occurs. In your house you get to make the rules, but facebook is not your property. Oh and in my house I might kick you out for something you consider petty. It all depends on the property owner.

Bullying is defined as the violation of property rights. Therefore you're not necessarily entitled to friendly conversations and your opinion is full of "force" anyway, so you're no angel. Political Correctness by the state is the end of freedom.

People in the real world own their bodies and have the right to say whatever they want, they own their vocal cords, not you. Where people get to say things is the only debate.

Huh? Not sure where you get your definition of bullying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying

Bullying is the use of force or coercion to abuse or intimidate others. The behavior can be habitual and involve an imbalance of social or physical power. It can include verbal harassment or threat, physical assault or coercion and may be directed repeatedly towards particular victims, perhaps on grounds of race, religion, gender, sexuality, or ability

http://www.apa.org/topics/bullying/

Bullying is a form of aggressive behavior in which someone intentionally and repeatedly causes another person injury or discomfort. Bullying can take the form of physical contact, words or more subtle actions.

Google Definition

Use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants

 

[huevonkiller]

Huh? Not sure where you get your definition of bullying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying


http://www.apa.org/topics/bullying/



Google Definition

I have no doubt that bullying involves intimidation and the sort, but it is legal to have pejorative opinions of someone.

Define force?

Without a system of property rights it is impossible to determine "force".

 

[magnifier661]

It depends where the bullying occurs. In your house you get to make the rules, but facebook is not your property. Oh and in my house I might kick you out for something you consider petty. It all depends on the property owner.

Bullying is defined as the violation of property rights. Therefore you're not necessarily entitled to friendly conversations and your opinion is full of "force" anyway, so you're no angel. Political Correctness by the state is the end of freedom.

People in the real world own their bodies and have the right to say whatever they want, they own their vocal cords, not you. Where people get to say things is the only debate.

I think your definition of bullying is off. When someone constantly makes fun of, lets say "homosexuality" on a boy, there is no violation of property. That person is getting personally attacked because he isn't in the same grouping of the popular kids. If a person constantly gets beat up because the bully knows the kid won't fight back, that is an attack on the physical well being of that kid, not to mention the mental stress the kid faces each day.

When I was in grade school, I was a bully. I used to chase a kid around everyday after school and beat him up. I've done other terrible terrible things to other kids, being racist towards Japanese and blacks. Thank god I stopped being an asshole and I also thank him for getting my fair share of beatings by Mexican gangs in high school. Bullying is a terrible terrible thing. Much worse than some dudes breaking in to your house and stealing shit.


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[magnifier661]

I have no doubt that bullying involves intimidation and the sort, but it is legal.

Define force?

Without a system of property rights it is impossible to determine "force".

Pushing a kid into a locker? Maybe forcing other people to make fun of a certain person they dislike. Maybe you are too old to remember high school, but this happens everyday. And it becomes illegal the moment you cause physical harm. It becomes illegal when a bully takes something from someone else.

Bullying is very illegal.


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[huevonkiller]

Pushing a kid into a locker? Maybe forcing other people to make fun of a certain person they dislike. Maybe you are too old to remember high school, but this happens everyday. And it becomes illegal the moment you cause physical harm. It becomes illegal when a bully takes something from someone else.

Bullying is very illegal.


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Follow the argument, I'm not talking about physical bullying, I'm referring to the first amendment and government regulation.

When I say "Bullying" I'm referring to bullying that requires state intervention that leads to limited speech. State bullying if you will.

 

[huevonkiller]

I don't really care to know how you were in the past, I am only concerned with the law.

Oh and you're wrong, property rights refers to people and their bodies since they are the owners of their bodies.

I think your definition of bullying is off. When someone constantly makes fun of, lets say "homosexuality" on a boy, there is no violation of property. That person is getting personally attacked because he isn't in the same grouping of the popular kids. If a person constantly gets beat up because the bully knows the kid won't fight back, that is an attack on the physical well being of that kid, not to mention the mental stress the kid faces each day.

When I was in grade school, I was a bully. I used to chase a kid around everyday after school and beat him up. I've done other terrible terrible things to other kids, being racist towards Japanese and blacks. Thank god I stopped being an asshole and I also thank him for getting my fair share of beatings by Mexican gangs in high school. Bullying is a terrible terrible thing. Much worse than some dudes breaking in to your house and stealing shit.


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Well no worries this is not what I was referring to at all. Cool down bruh.

The fact that someone disagrees with someone else's opinion means nothing, and requires no governmental interference. Everything else you griped about was addressed.

I'm talking about going into other people's homes and demanding they not speak rudely to me. Going to websites and demanding people not speak pejoratively towards me.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't really care to know how you were in the past, I am only concerned with the law.

Oh and you're wrong, property rights refers to people and their bodies since they are the owners of their bodies.



Well no worries this is not what I was referring to at all. Cool down bruh.

The fact that someone disagrees with someone else's opinion means nothing, and requires no governmental interference. Everything else you griped about was addressed.

I'm talking about going into other people's homes and demanding they not speak rudely to me. Going to websites and demanding people not speak pejoratively towards me.

Oh my bad. I guess I did catch the back end of this argument.