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You say this like it's 100% of them. The ones your president hired at Mar a Lago didn't have fake ID's.

The ones John McCain and Mitt Romney hired didn't have fake ID's.

This probably happens as much as voter fraud.
It was a huge joke at the last shop I worked at. The company did an audit of all of the shops and only 2 people working at my shop were illegals...according to our company audit anyway.

There were a few more that had better phony documents that didn't raise any flags.
 
You say this like it's 100% of them. The ones your president hired at Mar a Lago didn't have fake ID's.

The ones John McCain and Mitt Romney hired didn't have fake ID's.

This probably happens as much as voter fraud.
Weren't you just saying someone was talking out their ass? You think there's an accurate accounting of the supposed 12 million illegals and whether or not they use fake ids or not?

If there's no data then you have to be right obviously.
 
Do you think people that will break our laws to come here and steal someone's identity to get a job draw the line at collecting welfare illegally? I doubt it is widespread just from observing Winco on welfare weekends but still.

Yes, you're one of the special people who can tell illegals just by looking at them. Those same special people who have said hateful things to my father just because of his accent.
 
Were you trying to live in any of those countries illegally?

I do have a friend that was tossed out of Germany because he was living there illegally. I'm not sure why illegal immigration in America needs to be a racial issue. The fact is that I cannot move to Norway or Germany unless I have a valid reason. I can't just up and move to one of those countries, despite the fact that my grandpa is 100% Norwegian. I would still have to apply and show that I have a job waiting for me.

If I just flew there and didn't leave, how long do you think I would last before they kicked me out?
No...but you skirted my point...if you are obeying the laws, you shouldn't have to prove who you are and don't fool yourself..they're not shaking down Canadians ….I can pass for a Canadian. If I applied for a job in a foreign country without a work permit or let my visa expire, etc....as I said...I'd expect to be deported instantly which is what happens in most countries...not good for tourism to start shaking down people ...why else would a cop in Oregon check your identification? I have held a green card in a foreign country before...I know the drill...I've also known many Americans who skirt the laws overseas as well...mostly working under the table for cash though. I prefer to leave people the fuck alone unless they are causing problems
 
If it didn't raise any flags, how come you know about it? How does anyone know?
We all talked about it. You have no idea what it's like in a bodyshop in Vegas. Oscar is a Reagan Amnesty recipient. He told me about taking his grandkids to Mexico and watching their relatives look of amazement when the kids described life in America. The guys who didn't get caught were relieved. So was our painter, he wouldn't have had any helpers but Oscar.

None of it is a secret. My little buddy Elme did keep the fact that his real name was Angel a secret from me and I was kinda pissed but I understood.
 
Yes, you're one of the special people who can tell illegals just by looking at them. Those same special people who have said hateful things to my father just because of his accent.
You're too emotional. I get that your father had morons say hateful things to him. Not my problem.
 
No...but you skirted my point...if you are obeying the laws, you shouldn't have to prove who you are and don't fool yourself..they're not shaking down Canadians ….I can pass for a Canadian. If I applied for a job in a foreign country without a work permit or let my visa expire, etc....as I said...I'd expect to be deported instantly which is what happens in most countries...not good for tourism to start shaking down people ...why else would a cop in Oregon check your identification? I have held a green card in a foreign country before...I know the drill...I've also known many Americans who skirt the laws overseas as well...mostly working under the table for cash though. I prefer to leave people the fuck alone unless they are causing problems
I'm fine with all of that. I detest in country immigration checkpoints. The wife has to beg me not to scream at them. I just bite my lip and move on.
 
You're too emotional. I get that your father had morons say hateful things to him. Not my problem.

No emotional at all. Never said it was your problem. I actually complimented you on your special superhero like powers.
 
We all talked about it. You have no idea what it's like in a bodyshop in Vegas. Oscar is a Reagan Amnesty recipient. He told me about taking his grandkids to Mexico and watching their relatives look of amazement when the kids described life in America. The guys who didn't get caught were relieved. So was our painter, he wouldn't have had any helpers but Oscar.

None of it is a secret. My little buddy Elme did keep the fact that his real name was Angel a secret from me and I was kinda pissed but I understood.
I meant fuck that little Colombian @SlyPokerDog
 
Limited variety of beans?
That's racist. And,Nope. NV releases benefits on the first of the month and doesn't stagger it like Oregon does.

The clientele at Winco on a weekend that coincides with the release of benefits is mostly young white girls with 4 kids and black families. It isn't racist to SEE the difference from a weekend during the middle of the month. It is just obviously different if you pay attention to your surroundings.
 
They pay 12 Billion a year in taxes.

You’re a pit bull when you get to debating social stuff, dviss1. I’m not advocating either way here, just looking for some actual information to throw some light on a very dark subject. BTW, that $12 billion figure was pushed by Maria Teresa Kumar of Voto Latino. She was talking about Social Security taxes and forgot to mention that employers pay half of that. Politifact rated that statement as accurate, but doesn’t really explain that conclusion in light of the employer contribution issue. It should be noted that the money goes into the Social Security kitty, not general health care (other than Medicare). Certainly, they don’t get much benefit for that money.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/oct/02/maria-teresa- /how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-taxes/

They also pay for a little under $12 billion of state and local taxes according to Politifact, but they do get benefits for that money in the form of public school, roads, police, etc.
 
Here's a question for folks....has an illegal immigrant bothered you or had a negative impact on your life? My answer in Oregon is …..no....not in the slightest..
 
They also pay for a little under $12 billion of state and local taxes according to Politifact, but they do get benefits for that money in the form of public school, roads, police, etc.

Schools, roads and police are Regular things that need to be paid for. The Commons. We're doing a poor job of paying for that with or without their tax money. Long as we don't end up with segregated roads like Israel...

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Here's a question for folks....has an illegal immigrant bothered you or had a negative impact on your life? My answer in Oregon is …..no....not in the slightest..
An illegal immigrant almost took both of my uncle's feet and cost him everything he owned. No insurance driving someone else's car recklessly and pushing a 20 inch Dodge Ram wheel through the floor and crushing my uncle's feet. If we're going to be emotional about it I think that's worse than mean people saying things to someone.

Illegal immigrants directly cause my wages to be lower and housing costs to be higher. We have how many homeless people in this country? There is no logical reason to encourage illegal immigration.
 
My thing is... If you come here legally, youre welcome here. If you knowingly get to this country, then when you get caught either become legal or sorry but youre out.

But, they are still a person and wish them the best and wish there was a way to take care of them back in their home country. Some places are awful. I get all sides of it. :(
 
I’m all for legal immigration. This country was built on it and has benefited from a diverse population. The problem is that the legal immigration system is broken and nobody really wants to fix it. Both sides benefit from playing on the issue as red meat for their base. We truly deserve this mess for being willing to elect divisive politicians of all stripes.
 
Just got a robo-call with a recording from Lars Larson urging me to help with the petition to get a measure on the ballot to repeal a law that makes Oregon a sanctuary state. And I have to admit, despite being a conservative myself, I'm gonna need some help from the conservatives in this forum on understanding this one.

Now, I'm not in favor of illegal immigration, and I am in favor of enforcing laws that are on the books. But why should state and local law enforcement be required--or even authorized--to help enforce federal law? The state police don't engage the FBI to police the freeways. The county sheriffs don't tap the DEA to bust up local meth houses. Why should local resources be devoted at all to enforcing federal immigration laws? What is wrong with a state law that ensures that state and local resources are devoted to addressing state and local crime?

Can someone clear up what I'm missing here?
The purpose of the law is to assure that undocumented folks aren't afraid of getting deported when they provide information that may solve a crime. Without this law a whole lot of witnesses are going to stay home and provide no vital information about some crimes including some gruesome ones.

No one is objecting to the Feds doing their job. Just don't expect local law enforcement to screw up their crime investigations.
 
Your friend needed to steal someone's identity like illegals do here.

I used to talk to the illegal immigrant I lived next to in 2006 or so all the time.

He told he how his wife got papers to get benefits. He said you could literally buy them at the indoor swap meets in town.

He worked full time in construction and she got welfare. AWESOME SYSTEM!!!
That's a one in a million deal. I've never known of an undocumented person obtaining such benefits. In fact, I never see someone in the grocery store using food stamps or the computerized equivalent more than 2 or 3 times a year.
 
That's a one in a million deal. I've never known of an undocumented person obtaining such benefits. In fact, I never see someone in the grocery store using food stamps or the computerized equivalent more than 2 or 3 times a year.

20 percent of Oregon households get assistance buying food.
 
20 percent of Oregon households get assistance buying food.
I must not live in their neighborhoods. We do shop at Winco from time to time in Beaverton and in Tigard. Still haven't seen it in years.

Now, I live in upscale Lake Oswego and never run into it there, ever.
 
Schools, roads and police are Regular things that need to be paid for. The Commons. We're doing a poor job of paying for that with or without their tax money. Long as we don't end up with segregated roads like Israel...

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Good grief, that's an eye opener.
 
I must not live in their neighborhoods. We do shop at Winco from time to time in Beaverton and in Tigard. Still haven't seen it in years.

Now, I live in upscale Lake Oswego and never run into it there, ever.
There are only two Wincos in the Las Vegas area. I almost screamed with joy when I heard they were building here.

I don't think many illegals try to get the measley benefits considering the risk vs reward.

I really don't care if they do occasionally. I care about the jobs they take from people here legally.

The Democrat LLC wants votes and the Republican LLC wants cheap labor. Neither of them have our interests at heart.
 
20 percent of Oregon households get assistance buying food.

Had a funny experience this last weekend.

Stopped into a grocery store, but I picked a busy time. The checkout line was longer than normal.

I noticed everyone in front of me was paying with the food assistance debit card.

When it was my turn, I jokingly ask the cashier if she still took cash.

She laughed, then said sure, but the kids do not know anything about that.

Too funny, but sad at the same time.
 
Had a funny experience this last weekend.

Stopped into a grocery store, but I picked a busy time. The checkout line was longer than normal.

I noticed everyone in front of me was paying with the food assistance debit card.

When it was my turn, I jokingly ask the cashier if she still took cash.

She laughed, then said sure, but the kids do not know anything about that.

Too funny, but sad at the same time.
We try to go early in the morning on the weekends when the benefits replenish. If you go after 11am it is a madhouse. Almost every line is open compared to a 3rd at most in the middle of the month.
 
There are only two Wincos in the Las Vegas area. I almost screamed with joy when I heard they were building here.

I don't think many illegals try to get the measley benefits considering the risk vs reward.

I really don't care if they do occasionally. I care about the jobs they take from people here legally.

The Democrat LLC wants votes and the Republican LLC wants cheap labor. Neither of them have our interests at heart.
I sold a home a few years ago. I had a lot of work done to remodel it so I could get top dollar. Most of the workers had spanish accents. They were the best workers I've ever seen One Latino was the boss of a crew that included a couple of American Caucasians. They really liked their boss. Their work was almost but not quite as good as the Latinos.

It's hard to find others who will do the type of work that Latinos will do and do it as good.

We had a yard care service in our last house and that crew was excellent. The crew we've got now is also Latino but not quite as good as the other crew. The other crew serviced the Aloha area but not Lake Oswego or we would have kept them in a heart beat.

Interviewed a maid service and that lady who was the boss was a Latina. She looked like she knew her profession and wanted a reasonable rate but my wife wants to do the housecleaning herself. Now, she's just to old to do all that work by herself so I'm going to look for another maid service. I'll bet that all the companies have either East Europeans or Latinos to do the work We keep our house pretty clean so there's not a whole lot for such a service to do.

The other day we bought 3 units of bark dust. She got her girlfriend and her girlfriend's husband to help spread it but she did at least half the work. Now, she's been sore for a week. Gotta get a Latino crew to do that hot dirty work.

All the Latinos I've encountered have been hard working and extremely polite. The guys that remodeled my last home used to call me Senior. My wife always offers some refreshment, it's a Korean custom, also a custom of the deep South from where my family comes from. They were so appreciated of a cold drink of water or a cold soft drink. When did a special job, even now, she gives them lunch money. Very appreciative people.
 
Had a funny experience this last weekend.

Stopped into a grocery store, but I picked a busy time. The checkout line was longer than normal.

I noticed everyone in front of me was paying with the food assistance debit card.

When it was my turn, I jokingly ask the cashier if she still took cash.

She laughed, then said sure, but the kids do not know anything about that.

Too funny, but sad at the same time.
Yet, I never see it.
 
Yes, you're one of the special people who can tell illegals just by looking at them.

I actually complimented you on your special superhero like powers.

Right dog. I see you in that odd place again. Actually intending to go for the backhand insult. No need dog, it dose not work well.

PS You have to know it is off, dviss likes it.
 
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