Sandusky jury reaches verdict!

[SlyPokerDog]

Hopefully the sick pervert is guilty.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Guilty on 45 of 48 charges.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Good to hear. Too bad we can't just put a bullet in his fucked up head and save us all some money. Better yet, make it pay per view and make some money for the victims and their families

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

come on, he has a good 10-15 years of getting butt raped in the showers. you surely don't want him to miss that don't you?

 

[BrianFromWA]

why should tax dollars pay for that? I'm with MM. You get convicted of 45 sexual assaults, you don't get to live anymore.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

i guess you can say that for every lifer then. I personally don't believe the death penalty should be applied unless you murdered someone.

 

[BrianFromWA]

No, because some "lifers" were convicted only based on testimony (which turned out to be lies).

I personally believe that if you repeatedly commit felonies (especially sexual assaults and violent crimes), Society doesn't need to pay to lock you up. They need to pay for the firing squad--who I'm sure would volunteer.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

regardless. you argue that we shouldn't have to pay for them. kill away.

what about career criminals/thieves? they should die too? what is the litmus test here? its pretty arbitrary.

 

[BrianFromWA]

do you not see the difference between someone convicted on the word of someone else (which could be a lie), vs. someone who's confessed and/or has mountains of evidence against them?

I argue that they had their shot at life and ruined someone else's with it. Die away.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

you say this is about money, isn't it? that's the rationale for not keeping him incarcerated forever. So if we will apply that to rapists, then apply to all lifers.

if you are convicted, you are convicted. there isn't a partial life sentence or "maybe he's guilty lets convict him anyway".

Robbing someone is ruining someone's life. beating someone up is ruining someone's life. committing financial fraud ruins someone's life.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and you don't see the dangerous slippery slope of killing prisoners out of financial convenience?

 

[RR7]

do you not see the difference between someone convicted on the word of someone else (which could be a lie), vs. someone who's confessed and/or has mountains of evidence against them?

I argue that they had their shot at life and ruined someone else's with it. Die away.

Wait, isn't he convicted on the testimony of other people? Not on his confession?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

and you don't see the dangerous slippery slope of killing prisoners out of financial convenience?

Public urination? DEATH

 

[BrianFromWA]

you say this is about money, isn't it? that's the rationale for not keeping him incarcerated forever. So if we will apply that to rapists, then apply to all lifers.

if you are convicted, you are convicted. there isn't a partial life sentence or "maybe he's guilty lets convict him anyway".

Robbing someone is ruining someone's life. beating someone up is ruining someone's life. committing financial fraud ruins someone's life.

When did I say it's just about money? He ruined the lives of multiple people, to include 14 1st-degree felonies. And if you think stealing money is worse than raping children, God Bless You. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Wait, isn't he convicted on the testimony of other people? Not on his confession?

Um, I think the "mountains of evidence" thing applies here....

 

[BrianFromWA]

and you don't see the dangerous slippery slope of killing prisoners out of financial convenience?

When does "living behind bars on society's dime b/c you're too much of a danger to ever let out again after committing 14 1st-degree sexual crime felonies" --> being killed come out to financial convenience?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

when you want to kill him.

 

[BrianFromWA]

so to get this straight in my head...

A jury of his peers has convicted him of 14 1st-degree felony sex crimes, among the 45 total convictions.

He faces a maximum sentence of 400+ years.

The legal system will most likely pronounce that he is unfit to ever be placed back into society, and must be incarcerated for the remainder of his natural life.

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Why should society be responsible for his care and feeding? Why should they expose him to other sexual predators in prison? Why is he allowed to live?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

They should make him have sex with old women

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

so to get this straight in my head...

A jury of his peers has convicted him of 14 1st-degree felony sex crimes, among the 45 total convictions.

He faces a maximum sentence of 400+ years.

The legal system will most likely pronounce that he is unfit to ever be placed back into society, and must be incarcerated for the remainder of his natural life.

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Why should society be responsible for his care and feeding? Why should they expose him to other sexual predators in prison? Why is he allowed to live?

Because we are not a society that kills prisoners based on the financial burden they will have on the legal system. By your logic, any lifer is subject to these terms, and like I stated, its a very perilous slippery slope.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Any lifer without possibility of parole, sure. Why do you think that you and I are responsible for the life of someone who's thrown away theirs by ruining someone else's?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Any lifer without possibility of parole, sure. Why do you think that you and I are responsible for the life of someone who's thrown away theirs by ruining someone else's?

Because I believe that a punishment should be based on the merits of the crime one commits, not due to the irrelevant monetary impact of said punishment.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Lifers are often released after finding out that they are actually innocent

 

[BrianFromWA]

And you think that the punishments merited by this are such that they can never again leave a cage, but not that they should be executed?

Agree to disagree with your repeated inferences that this is about $$.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Lifers are often released after finding out that they are actually innocent

Oh holy cow, not you too?!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And you think that the punishments merited by this are such that they can never again leave a cage, but not that they should be executed?

Agree to disagree with your repeated inferences that this is about $$.

uhh, you're the one complaining about having to pay for his incarceration. so yes, it is about money. that is the rational basis of your argument.

If you went ahead and said "rapists should be executed", then fine. its not about the money. but you complain about the burden of paying for the justice system you rely on to keep him off the streets.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Well, its true...there's all sorts of people in jail right now on the back of one or two persons testimony...people lie, people are wrong

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

And you think that the punishments merited by this are such that they can never again leave a cage, but not that they should be executed?

Like I said, you should only be executed if you murder someone.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Sandusky will be dead soon enough

 

[BrianFromWA]

uhh, you're the one complaining about having to pay for his incarceration. so yes, it is about money. that is the rational basis of your argument.

If you went ahead and said "rapists should be executed", then fine. its not about the money. but you complain about the burden of paying for the justice system you rely on to keep him off the streets.

I will attempt to say this as clearly as I can. I state that I don't agree that it's right that a 14x 1st-degree sexual crime felon should spend the rest of his life in prison with no possibility of parole. If people have deemed that he's such a demonstrated monster that he's unfit to ever again rejoin society, then he shouldn't be allowed to live. And he shouldn't be forced to be subjected to crimes in prison.

Now, if you think that's harsh, or your political beliefs don't allow you to accept that possibility, I'll bring up argument two....why are you willing to make society pay for your belief?