OT School shooting in California

[yankeesince59]

Precisely. Keep track of your toys tough guys.

One more time, most were "stolen", either through break-ins of cars and houses, etc., or illegally purchased and resold..now you have to also figure out how to eliminate common theft and the people who commit those thefts/purchases, which is a whole other animal completely.

Good luck with that.

 

[riverman]

Mass shootings are a very small percentage of gun deaths.

yeah but suicide is a really big draw compared to mass shooting

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I don’t follow the list part. I am saying that guns are registered to the owner. If one day that gun gets taken from the home and used to mow down some 8th graders, that gun owner has life in prison. It’s not a huge deal. If someone uses the gun in a robbery, the owner gets charged with a felony robbery.
These aren’t crazy. And there have been instances when a kid takes dads gun and the dad gets in trouble. Not enough.
So, for guns that are stolen, well, how does it get stolen if it’s safely locked away unless the owner is carrying it. If he’s carrying it legally, and he gets mugged, he would call the police and there would be a report. He’d be only partially responsible.

I may have misunderstood what you are trying to say, when my kids go to sleep I will re-read it.

 

[yankeesince59]

Mass shootings are a very small percentage of gun deaths.

Assault weapons are used in a very small percentage of gun deaths.

The biggest target should be unregistered guns, stolen guns and increasing penalties for possession.

I advocate a military taskforce be used to track illegals guns and get them off the street.

Mandatory minimums for posession of illegal guns.

Assault weapons are fine if they only are given to the most qualified. All guns should be handled like that.

Only the supremely qualified and vetted.

"Military task force"?...how in the hell are they supposed to "track illegal guns" unless those very guns have already been used to killed someone or commit some other crime?

And increasing penalties?...many states already have a death penalty for murder/rape etc., how's that working?



Locking the barn door after the horse has already got out doesn't solve anything.

 

[calvin natt]

One more time, most were "stolen", either through break-ins of cars and houses, etc., or illegally purchased and resold..now you have to also figure out how to eliminate common theft and the people who commit those thefts/purchases, which is a whole other animal completely.

Good luck with that.

And once again. If you own a gun and it’s stolen out of your car - don’t be a Fucking clown and leave a gun in your car. Lock it in a a safe at home. This is what you aren’t getting. There needs to be a major shift in gun ownership. No more leaving the gun around or in the glove box or under your mattress. Lock it the fuck up. If it’s locked up and stolen- like mission impossible they break into the safe, you’re off the hook. No luck needed.

 

[yankeesince59]

And once again. If you own a gun and it’s stolen out of your car - don’t be a Fucking clown and leave a gun in your car. Lock it in a a safe at home. This is what you aren’t getting. There needs to be a major shift in gun ownership. No more leaving the gun around or in the glove box or under your mattress. Lock it the fuck up. If it’s locked up and stolen- like mission impossible they break into the safe, you’re off the hook. No luck needed.

Sorry but many states allow gun owners to have a gun in the car but are not allowed to carry a gun or a concealed gun on their person.

And what damn good is a gun that's locked in a safe at home?...that's ridiculous.

Here's a scene: A guy who also has a gun breaks into your house. As you are woken to the sound of breaking glass you jump out of bed and plead with the intruder and shout to him, "Will you please hold on a second until I can turn on the light and unlock my safe"?

^^^Those may very well be that very last words you utter before the guy shoots you, rapes your wife, and then takes your shit...... A loaded gun in the safe is about as useful as an unloaded gun on your nightstand.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Fines would be the easy way. After a certain point I wouldn't be against more severe punishment. People who refused would indeed be criminals.

So now the only people with guns are criminals.

NO thanks.

 

[Orion Bailey]

ugh

Thats it?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

"Military task force"?...how in the hell are they supposed to "track illegal guns" unless those very guns have already been used to killed someone or commit some other crime?

And increasing penalties?...many states already have a death penalty for murder/rape etc., how's that working?

Locking the barn door after the horse has already got out doesn't solve anything.

Mandatory minimums. Any possession of a gun when you arent supposed to is an automatic 5 years. Increase the penalty for use of gun in a crime. Double the sentence

Military task force is simple. Target areas with high gun death rates. Raid houses, checkpoints, rewards to snitch people out, etc. Mandatory minimums come into play here. Get guns and the people who have them scared to carry because of mandatory minimum.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Also increase gun registration and tracking. There should be a renewable gun license with mental screening and if you have a gun without the license, then jail.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Mandatory minimums. Any possession of a gun when you arent supposed to is an automatic 5 years. Increase the penalty for use of gun in a crime. Double the sentence

Military task force is simple. Target areas with high gun death rates. Raid houses, checkpoints, rewards to snitch people out, etc. Mandatory minimums come into play here. Get guns and the people who have them scared to carry because of mandatory minimum.

I hate this idea so freaking much lol. Raid people’s homes? We got cops shooting Black ladies who are supposed to be doing wellness checks. Now you want to military task forces to go peoples property in urban areas whenever they want too, and you expect that to HELP The situation? Yeah Im sure minorities are totally looking forward to getting mowed down in their homes by military task forces who decided today was the day they, “check” their house. You may be totally ready to live in a police state where everyone fears their government (even more than they do now), having a group of military officers randomly raid your house shred it from the ground up looking for a loose gun somewhere sounds crazy to me... Which is what you’re gonna get a bunch of people on a power trip with weapons who have the right and obligation to show up whenever they feel like...? No thanks.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I hate this idea so freaking much lol. Raid people’s homes? We got cops shooting Black ladies who are supposed to be doing wellness checks. Now you want to military task forces to go peoples property in urban areas whenever they want too, and you expect that to HELP The situation? Yeah Im sure minorities are totally looking forward to getting mowed down in their homes by military task forces who decided today was the day they, “check” their house. You may be totally ready to live in a police state where everyone fears their government (even more than they do now), having a group of military officers randomly raid your house shred it from the ground up looking for a loose gun somewhere sounds crazy to me... Which is what you’re gonna get a bunch of people on a power trip with weapons who have the right and obligation to show up whenever they feel like...? No thanks.

This is why we use the military. Well trained soldiers.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

This is why we use the military. Well trained soldiers.

Yeah, no.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/10/15/police-with-military-experience-more-likely-to-shoot

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Yeah, no.
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2018/10/15/police-with-military-experience-more-likely-to-shoot

Not the same. That is police. Active soldiers is what I'm talking about. Elite units.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Not the same. That is police. Active soldiers is what I'm talking about. Elite units.

Lol. Active soldiers the guys trained to kill. Got it. Man half my family on my dads side is special forces, green beret’s that type of military they arent trained to be your friend, they’re trained to KILL people.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Lol. Active soldiers the guys trained to kill. Got it. Man half my family on my dads side is special forces, green beret’s that type of military they arent trained to be your friend, they’re trained to KILL people.

Not saying bad guys aren't going to die.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Not saying bad guys aren't going to die.

Its just not going to work, you’re in a shady area so you’re home now has a target to randomly be raided by the military? Im all for stricter access to guns and even some of Calvin’s ideas for punishments but, come on, our military raiding US, not anything Id vote for and I have 0 guns or interest in owning a gun.

 

[Hobbesarable]

As for firearms, begin with technology preventing others from using your firearm.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Its just not going to work, you’re in a shady area so you’re home now has a target to randomly be raided by the military? Im all for stricter access to guns and even some of Calvin’s ideas for punishments but, come on, our military raiding US, not anything Id vote for and I have 0 guns or interest in owning a gun.

Then the problem of illegals guns and gun deaths will thrive

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Then the problem of illegals guns and gun deaths will thrive

Not really, there’s quite a few countries with less gun violence that aren't randomly raiding urban houses looking for loose guns.

 

[calvin natt]

Sorry but many states allow gun owners to have a gun in the car but are not allowed to carry a gun or a concealed gun on their person.

And what damn good is a gun that's locked in a safe at home?...that's ridiculous.

Here's a scene: A guy who also has a gun breaks into your house. As you are woken to the sound of breaking glass you jump out of bed and plead with the intruder and shout to him, "Will you please hold on a second until I can turn on the light and unlock my safe"?

^^^Those may very well be that very last words you utter before the guy shoots you, rapes your wife, and then takes your shit...... A loaded gun in the safe is about as useful as an unloaded gun on your nightstand.

not my problem. Take care of your Fucking gun and don’t let people steal it. Simple. If it’s too hard then you don’t get a gun

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Not really, there’s quite a few countries with less gun violence that aren't randomly raiding urban houses looking for loose guns.

What's your solution for illegal handguns?

 

[calvin natt]

Sorry but many states allow gun owners to have a gun in the car but are not allowed to carry a gun or a concealed gun on their person.

And what damn good is a gun that's locked in a safe at home?...that's ridiculous.

Here's a scene: A guy who also has a gun breaks into your house. As you are woken to the sound of breaking glass you jump out of bed and plead with the intruder and shout to him, "Will you please hold on a second until I can turn on the light and unlock my safe"?

^^^Those may very well be that very last words you utter before the guy shoots you, rapes your wife, and then takes your shit...... A loaded gun in the safe is about as useful as an unloaded gun on your nightstand.

And if you’re so scared you are going to get killed in bed or raped at night go buy yourself a safe and stick next to your bed. Don’t they have fingerprint opening safes? I dunno but figure it out. No more “whoopsie my firearm is missing does little Jimmy have it”

 

[Orion Bailey]

Its just not going to work, you’re in a shady area so you’re home now has a target to randomly be raided by the military? Im all for stricter access to guns and even some of Calvin’s ideas for punishments but, come on, our military raiding US, not anything Id vote for and I have 0 guns or interest in owning a gun.

@EL PRESIDENTE You start selectively raiding houses and you will watch anarchy unfold. Martial Law would have to be declared to come even remotely close to justifiable, but then that wouldnt work either. There are too many NRA members and freedom activists that will say no way, regardless of the agenda.

We need much more detailed tracking of those who purchase guns, with a much more stringent mental inspection. We need to make bullets required to be 100% traceable. And you are right on penalties. MUCH higher penalties for crimes committed with guns. Armed robbery? Life sentence. Homocide? Automatic death penalty.

 

[calvin natt]

@EL PRESIDENTE You start selectively raiding houses and you will watch anarchy unfold. Martial Law would have to be declared to come even remotely close to justifiable, but then that wouldnt work either. There are too many NRA members and freedom activists that will say no way, regardless of the agenda.

We need much more detailed tracking of those who purchase guns, with a much more stringent mental inspection. We need to make bullets required to be 100% traceable. And you are right on penalties. MUCH higher penalties for crimes committed with guns. Armed robbery? Life sentence. Homocide? Automatic death penalty.

yeah don’t mess with the gun nuts.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

What's your solution for illegal handguns?

Obviously nuke Urban areas so that any loose hand guns get destroyed that’ll really put a hammer down on it...

I dont think there is a quick fix to it, changing gun laws will help some. Using technology to start tagging all guns that get manufactured and tracking them can help the future. Its probably a generation or two worth of work to find a majority of the illegal guns out and about.

 

[Orion Bailey]

yeah don’t mess with the gun nuts.

The 2nd amendment exists to protect people like you and me from government corruption. It's original intent was for citizenry to be able to bare arms against unruly governments using the military as a force against its people. Times have changed, but the foundation of the need is the same.

You take away everyone's right to bare arms, you leave everyone vulnerable to those who could give a shit about abiding the law. Sorry, rather have guns available to all and figure out how to answer the screening process and tracking, than I would to deny the common citizenry the right to own a gun.

We are a couple generations removed from a world war. How quickly we forget how fragile our economy and world is. I pray to God I never have to shoot someone, let alone point a gun at them out of fear. But I want that right if I feel threatened.
You try to take that way and you will see a civil war unfold.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

yeah don’t mess with the gun nuts.

They would be on board.

 

[calvin natt]

The 2nd amendment exists to protect people like you and me from government corruption. It's original intent was for citizenry to be able to bare arms against unruly governments using the military as a force against its people. Times have changed, but the foundation of the need is the same.

You take away everyone's right to bare arms, you leave everyone vulnerable to those who could give a shit about abiding the law. Sorry, rather have guns available to all and figure out how to answer the screening process and tracking, than I would to deny the common citizenry the right to own a gun.

We are a couple generations removed from a world war. How quickly we forget how fragile our economy and world is. I pray to God I never have to shoot someone, let alone point a gun at them out of fear. But I want that right if I feel threatened.
You try to take that way and you will see a civil war unfold.

KEEP YOUR GUNS. But if you can’t take care of them too bad. And anyone who thinks the fantasy land of civilians using their guns to fend off the military shouldn’t have a gun either cuz that’s lunacy

 

[Hobbesarable]

@EL PRESIDENTE You start selectively raiding houses and you will watch anarchy unfold. Martial Law would have to be declared to come even remotely close to justifiable, but then that wouldnt work either. There are too many NRA members and freedom activists that will say no way, regardless of the agenda.

We need much more detailed tracking of those who purchase guns, with a much more stringent mental inspection. We need to make bullets required to be 100% traceable. And you are right on penalties. MUCH higher penalties for crimes committed with guns. Armed robbery? Life sentence. Homocide? Automatic death penalty.

Agree. The police state begins in such ways. I can't believe people are wanting that.