Scientists find Active thermite residue in WTC dust

[Sinobas]

http://stj911.org/press_releases/ActiveThermiticMaterial.html

 

[hasoos]

Well I sure hope they documented everything ok. Because it is going to take a hell of a forensics lab to ever track this one down.

 

[Sinobas]

I'd be very surprised to see any mainstream American media outlet report on this topic.(Well, maybe Hannity would have them on for 30 seconds so he could scold them for being unpatriotic then cut them off) But here's an article, Google translated from a Danish news source...so of course, it's not perfect, but it's still understandable. Danish chemist, Dr. Niels Harrit participated in this study.

The use of such material would explain why there were pools of molten steel found at ground zero, as well as other mysteries.

http://translate.google.com/transla...igt+bevis+for+gammel+viden+om+9/11&hl=en&sa=G

 

[chris_in_pdx]

So what?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Bush did it. He flew the planes into the buildings, survived, planted hundreds of pounds of explosives in each building, detonated it, fled the scene back to DC and then invaded Iraq where Obama promises all troops will be out within 12 months of him taking office.

 

[Ed O]

This is old news. From early April.

Someone forgot to put eye holes in his tinfoil hat!

Ed O.

 

[barfo]

Bush did it. He flew the planes into the buildings, survived, planted hundreds of pounds of explosives in each building, detonated it, fled the scene back to DC and then invaded Iraq where Obama promises all troops will be out within 12 months of him taking office.

That makes sense, Bush was trained as a pilot. But I think he'd have to have help on the ground, someone organizing the effort to plant the thermite. Who has experience organizing stuff in urban environments? And blowing things up? My guess is "community organizer" Barack Obama, and his terrorist pal Bill Ayers.

barfo

 

[Idog1976]

Bush did it. He flew the planes into the buildings, survived, planted hundreds of pounds of explosives in each building, detonated it, fled the scene back to DC and then invaded Iraq where Obama promises all troops will be out within 12 months of him taking office.

In some ways your idea makes more sense then a few dudes with box cutters defeating the greatest millitary-industrial-intelligence force the world has ever seen. I mean man we're lucky the russians never probed our defenses since it was apparently about as sound as a Zimbabwe dollar.

I mean that's the thing for me. I don't know what happened that day but none of it has ever made any sense to me. Why no amazing video of the plane into the pentagon when that place must have a zillion video cameras? I've seen one grainy security cam where you can't make out anything. Surely there is more video surrveillance of the pentagon then there is random folks with camcorders that caught the first plane into the WTC. And why did WTC 7 go down at all?

I'm not saying space aliens came down to meet with Cheney and chewbacca was the 13th hijacker, I'm just saying some weird shit went down and it all seems pretty crazy. I've never heard sound explanations for things like the speed at which the buildings fell, and why WTC 7 which wasn't hit by a plane at all went down also so fast.

I have no fucking clue what happened that day but the government's explanation or lack thereof for all of these things seems as stupid as the tin foil hat crowd.

 

[Denny Crane]

In some ways your idea makes more sense then a few dudes with box cutters defeating the greatest millitary-industrial-intelligence force the world has ever seen. I mean man we're lucky the russians never probed our defenses since it was apparently about as sound as a Zimbabwe dollar.

I mean that's the thing for me. I don't know what happened that day but none of it has ever made any sense to me. Why no amazing video of the plane into the pentagon when that place must have a zillion video cameras? I've seen one grainy security cam where you can't make out anything. Surely there is more video surrveillance of the pentagon then there is random folks with camcorders that caught the first plane into the WTC. And why did WTC 7 go down at all?

I'm not saying space aliens came down to meet with Cheney and chewbacca was the 13th hijacker, I'm just saying some weird shit went down and it all seems pretty crazy. I've never heard sound explanations for things like the speed at which the buildings fell, and why WTC 7 which wasn't hit by a plane at all went down also so fast.

I have no fucking clue what happened that day but the government's explanation or lack thereof for all of these things seems as stupid as the tin foil hat crowd.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

Review the facts

Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
Rims found in building match those of a 757
Small turbine engine outside is an APU
Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine
Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage


You cannot dispute the facts, a 757 hit the Pentagon killing everyone onboard and many inside the building. It was a terrorist attack and the only fault with the government here is with their failure to prevent or stop it.

 

[tlongII]

The WTC collapsed because of termites?

 

[barfo]

The WTC collapsed because of termites?

Yeth. It had thermites, and anth too. And the planeths were crop-dusterths thpraying pethdithides which got too cloeth.

barfo

 

[Денг Гордон]

In some ways your idea makes more sense then a few dudes with box cutters defeating the greatest millitary-industrial-intelligence force the world has ever seen. I mean man we're lucky the russians never probed our defenses since it was apparently about as sound as a Zimbabwe dollar.

I mean that's the thing for me. I don't know what happened that day but none of it has ever made any sense to me. Why no amazing video of the plane into the pentagon when that place must have a zillion video cameras? I've seen one grainy security cam where you can't make out anything. Surely there is more video surrveillance of the pentagon then there is random folks with camcorders that caught the first plane into the WTC. And why did WTC 7 go down at all?

I'm not saying space aliens came down to meet with Cheney and chewbacca was the 13th hijacker, I'm just saying some weird shit went down and it all seems pretty crazy. I've never heard sound explanations for things like the speed at which the buildings fell, and why WTC 7 which wasn't hit by a plane at all went down also so fast.

I have no fucking clue what happened that day but the government's explanation or lack thereof for all of these things seems as stupid as the tin foil hat crowd.

Definitely. Pentagon has to have some HD surveillance cameras. They confiscated and never released a surveillence video from a gas station or something of that nature too.

 

[Idog1976]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

My only point about the pentagon is I've never understood why we don't have crystal clear footage of the plane going into the pentagon. I think the government has done a piss poor job of proving their theory. I am NOT saying the government did anything at all. I'm just saying it's freaking incredible that our air defense system was compromised that easily. To me that is the scariest part about 9/11.

Also what about WTC 7? Why did it fall so easily and quickly from fire when no planes struck it? I've read enough about the 9/11 truth movement to think there is some merit in investigating things further to explain in crystal clear detail how things like WTC 7 went down. Let's put the tin foil stuff to rest to where only the most unreasonable garbage (like a misslle into the pentagon for instance, I've always thought that was utter BS) is still being claimed. Good clear surveillance video of the plane going into the pentagon MUST exist and it's ridiculous that it hasn't been released up to this point.

The 9/11 truth movement has only grown over the years. I worry that as faith in the government collapses further that some kind of demagogue will appear and take advantage of this mistrust to install a new and fully evil government. 9/11 truthers are but one symptom of an increasingly cynical view of the government to a dangerous point. Merely ridiculing them will not help. The government is fully capable of providing the answers but hasn't done so to protect the airline industry, millitary and intelligence agencies from criticism and lawsuits. That or maybe Chewie WAS the 13th hijacker

 

[Idog1976]

Definitely. Pentagon has to have some HD surveillance cameras. They confiscated and never released a surveillence video from a gas station or something of that nature too.

Yeah I don't get it why not release that? Would it reveal any secrets about the lack of pentagon defense systems or what? I just have been frustrated by the whole thing from word go.

There are crimes committed by our government all the time and 9/11 probably isn't one of them, whereas the whole 9 trillion off balance sheet shenanigans at the FED is VERY real. Still it seems like the families of the 9/11 folks deserve to see this footage in private much like the families got exclusive rights to listen to the black box of the 4th plane that went down over Pennsylvania. I feel sorry for those people and how the investigation of their family members deaths has been so politicized by both the Bush Admin. and the conspiracy crowd.

P.S. 9/11 probably wasn't a government conspiracy but people please, PLEASE don't be so naive as to think the government doesn't have conspiracies such as the Gulf of Tonkin being a false flag event as admitted by Robert McNamara.

 

[Denny Crane]

My only point about the pentagon is I've never understood why we don't have crystal clear footage of the plane going into the pentagon. I think the government has done a piss poor job of proving their theory. I am NOT saying the government did anything at all. I'm just saying it's freaking incredible that our air defense system was compromised that easily. To me that is the scariest part about 9/11.

Also what about WTC 7? Why did it fall so easily and quickly from fire when no planes struck it? I've read enough about the 9/11 truth movement to think there is some merit in investigating things further to explain in crystal clear detail how things like WTC 7 went down. Let's put the tin foil stuff to rest to where only the most unreasonable garbage (like a misslle into the pentagon for instance, I've always thought that was utter BS) is still being claimed. Good clear surveillance video of the plane going into the pentagon MUST exist and it's ridiculous that it hasn't been released up to this point.

The 9/11 truth movement has only grown over the years. I worry that as faith in the government collapses further that some kind of demagogue will appear and take advantage of this mistrust to install a new and fully evil government. 9/11 truthers are but one symptom of an increasingly cynical view of the government to a dangerous point. Merely ridiculing them will not help. The government is fully capable of providing the answers but hasn't done so to protect the airline industry, millitary and intelligence agencies from criticism and lawsuits. That or maybe Chewie WAS the 13th hijacker

It is tin foil hat stuff when 60 eye witnesses saw the plane hit the pentagon, and all the wreckage is plainly visible in the photographs. Typical surveillance cameras shoot a picture 1/second instead of 30/second, you fit 30x more on a video tape that way. It seems they've always been focused on protecting and tracking what goes on inside the building; that it would be attacked with a jet liner wasn't something they spent much time considering.

The WTC conspiracy theories have been debunked numerous times, and none of the conspiracy theory gives me reason to question the obvious truths. When buildings fall down, they fall just like the WTC did, they didn't fall down right away but about an hour later.

I don't see the govt. has anyone to protect that we don't already know about. Particularly the Saudi family who were flown out, and "for their security" is a good enough reason. They protected the president and VP and congress as well.

 

[OddEnormous]

I'm not saying space aliens came down to meet with Cheney and chewbacca was the 13th hijacker, I'm just saying some weird shit went down and it all seems pretty crazy.

Yes, that's why it was a pretty big deal when it happened.

 

[Idog1976]

It is tin foil hat stuff when 60 eye witnesses saw the plane hit the pentagon, and all the wreckage is plainly visible in the photographs. Typical surveillance cameras shoot a picture 1/second instead of 30/second, you fit 30x more on a video tape that way. It seems they've always been focused on protecting and tracking what goes on inside the building; that it would be attacked with a jet liner wasn't something they spent much time considering.

The WTC conspiracy theories have been debunked numerous times, and none of the conspiracy theory gives me reason to question the obvious truths. When buildings fall down, they fall just like the WTC did, they didn't fall down right away but about an hour later.

I don't see the govt. has anyone to protect that we don't already know about. Particularly the Saudi family who were flown out, and "for their security" is a good enough reason. They protected the president and VP and congress as well.

My point was two fold.

There are a couple of things the government could do to put an end to some of the less wild conspiracy theories (WTC 7 falling down, which I've never heard a decent explanation for ever) and also the more wild ones (missile into the pentagon) with some rather simple evidence put forth such as video. It took what 5 years before they released the video of the pentagon and it was as you said about 1 frame per second when i'm certain there is better footage then that somewhere. I don't expect them to respond to every claim just to have done a better job of addressing some of these things. I realize some folks have worked hard to debunk these theories but they can only use the materials the government has made public. Frankly the more evidence presented the better.

Secondly, it is in the interest of the government to explain some of these things in a way in which those families can put it to rest as they are the main people who lend credibility to the 9/11 truth movement. I'm worried about all the tin-foil hat stuff that borders on credible because it seems to produce an increasing chorus of people who are lacking even a shred of faith in the government. These groups left, right and off the political charts are growing due to our deteriorating economy and also the increased secrecy of every administration since Nixon except the Carter admin. When you do things like pay off the 9/11 victims families on the basis of them signing away their right to sue the airline companies you protect the incompetence that allowed 9/11 to occur. It's also patently absurd that the head of the Airforce kept his job and actually got his command extended (sort of a promotion in the forces he was overseeing) and the director of the CIA, George Tenet was given a medal of freedom. The Airlines should have been sued if the 9/11 families wanted to do so, Tenet should have been sacked and same with the airforce general whose name escapes me. When you reward failure, especially catastrophic failure, then you can only expect future incompetence.

As I said before the worrisome thing about 9/11 was NOT a government conspiracy theory, but rather the extreme lengths the government went to protect the incompetent. If only the Russians had known our air defense and intelligence apparatus was so easily penetrated we probably would all be speaking Russian by now!

 

[Sinobas]

This is old news. From early April.

Someone forgot to put eye holes in his tinfoil hat!

Ed O.

Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be a bigger *edited*. Physical evidence of one of the biggest crimes in the history of our nation, but who cares, it was from April...what's Paris Hilton up to these days?

 

[Sinobas]

So what?

*edited* What do you mean "so what"?

 

[Stevenson]

I really don't buy any of the conspiracy stuff either, but 2 things never did make sense to me either:

1. WTC 7 falling down, and

2. That they had the pictures of all 19 terrorists on TV within hours. That was weird.

 

[maxiep]

I miss Yega 1979.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

*edited* What do you mean "so what"?

I mean "So what?" Who cares? The buildings fell. People died. People have died in tragedies for millions of years. They will continue to do so. Live your life, and let others live theirs (or not). Nothing you can do about anything other than in your little circle of influence. Quit trying to think you can, you'll live longer.

 

[barfo]

I really don't buy any of the conspiracy stuff either, but 2 things never did make sense to me either:

1. WTC 7 falling down, and

2. That they had the pictures of all 19 terrorists on TV within hours. That was weird.

Getting their pictures is no big thing. They had their names from the airline tickets. All of them had passports, so...

WTC7, of course, fell down because of termites.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

I really don't buy any of the conspiracy stuff either, but 2 things never did make sense to me either:

1. WTC 7 falling down, and

2. That they had the pictures of all 19 terrorists on TV within hours. That was weird.

WTC 7 fell down because it was a weak building, and the pictures weren't available "within hours", but rather after the passenger lists were searched and TSA found out who exactly were on those flights. Pretty simple explanations, unless you are trying to say you're on the kook fringe as well?

 

[PapaG]

This is relevant because (for all of you that paid attention in HS physics) the three buildings (WTC 1,2 & 7) collasped down onto themselves at FREE FALL speed right down to the basement floors. IE: the speed of gravity.

This is NOT possible simply by a simple plane hitting them especially WTC 7 where no plane hit. This means they could only come down at that speed with the use of well timed explosives.

Watch the speed at which they fall and look at the amount of time it takes for them to collapse right down into the basement levels. Then think about building 7 which had a small containable fire.

I'm not saying it was done by Osama or Saddam or Bush or your mom. I'm just saying it is a relevant finding. Why did they clear all of that big GIANT crime scene case so quickly? The biggest crime in the history of the US and they cleared the evidence of it in a matter of days without investigating the evidence as to what happened, how and why.

 

[PapaG]

None of their names were on the flight manafests. NOT A SINGLE ONE.

Totally false. You are reading the original victim list, and not the actual manifest.

 

[Stevenson]

WTC 7 fell down because it was a weak building, and the pictures weren't available "within hours", but rather after the passenger lists were searched and TSA found out who exactly were on those flights. Pretty simple explanations, unless you are trying to say you're on the kook fringe as well?

A "weak building"? That is a weak excuse.

As for the pix - they had these guys passport pix, within 24 hours at most. More like 12 or 6 as I recall. And remember, passports were not nearly as computerized 8 years ago as they are now.

How the heck did they get these pix so fast?

 

[barfo]

This is relevant because (for all of you that paid attention in HS physics) the three buildings (WTC 1,2 & 7) collasped down onto themselves at FREE FALL speed right down to the basement floors. IE: the speed of gravity.

This is NOT possible simply by a simple plane hitting them especially WTC 7 where no plane hit. This means they could only come down at that speed with the use of well timed explosives.

Watch the speed at which they fall and look at the amount of time it takes for them to collapse right down into the basement levels. Then think about building 7 which had a small containable fire.

I'm not saying it was done by Osama or Saddam or Bush or your mom. I'm just saying it is a relevant finding. Why did they clear all of that big GIANT crime scene case so quickly? The biggest crime in the history of the US and they cleared the evidence of it in a matter of days without investigating the evidence as to what happened, how and why.

Maybe because it was a big mess riddled with body parts in a densely populated area? They probably didn't want the smell of rotting flesh wafting over Manhattan.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

A "weak building"? That is a weak excuse.

As for the pix - they had these guys passport pix, within 24 hours at most. More like 12 or 6 as I recall. And remember, passports were not nearly as computerized 8 years ago as they are now.

How the heck did they get these pix so fast?

Show me a link that had the photos of Atta and the rest within 6 hours. As I remember it, it took a full 48 to 72 for the Oregonian to list photos of "suspects".

 

[barfo]

As for the pix - they had these guys passport pix, within 24 hours at most. More like 12 or 6 as I recall. And remember, passports were not nearly as computerized 8 years ago as they are now.

How the heck did they get these pix so fast?

I don't see what's so difficult about it. Obviously investigating this would be a very high priority. If the head of the agency says "drop everything you are doing and get me these 19 pictures asap", I'm sure that they could be located w/in a few hours, even with primitive 2001 computer technology.

barfo