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LayneStaley said:
I really hope the SL injury and the first week of the regular season injury are just a coincidence. I absolutely hate having undependable injury prone players. Was he hurt a lot in the G League?
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Yes. He Had a nasal fracture and a sprained ankle. Not as bad as this one though. Then he had his shoulder in SL.
 
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November 1st:



Report on November 11th:

Houston Rockets rookie Amen Thompson recently shed the walking boot on his right foot and is progressing in his recovery from a Grade 2 ankle sprain, he told Kelly Iko of The Athletic.

Thompson endured the injury on Nov. 1 against the Charlotte Hornets when the 20-year-old appeared to step on the foot of a defender. Rockets coach Ime Udoka confirmed the extent of the injury after the game and said Thompson would miss an undefined amount of time.

The fourth pick was seen afterward in a walking boot on crutches. He appears to be recovering well and could be on the verge of returning in the next two weeks, according to the report.
 
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Cugel said:
If you are on the roster, I will support ya 110%. It's pretty simple. No fair weather fan shit.
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I don't know how true that is. You can correct me if I'm wrong and maybe I am but I thought you were in the "Trade Dame" camp long before he asked out and to me that's not 110% support.

That's also not an accusation from me because while I liked the person that Nurk presented himself to be to the fans, I couldn't stand Nurk the ball player and wanted him gone for a long time. I was calling for CJ to be traded for I'm pretty sure around seven seasons. Obviously I didn't support Felton when he came here out of shape and gave half the effort I'd seen him give on other teams. The list goes on for me.

I do always want what's best for our team. I want the Blazers to be successful and always watch as much as I can and read as much as I can about our team. I'm not one of these fairweather fans that talks about giving up on the team and that kind of bullshit. Players, coaches, GMs, owners, etc. that's a different story.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't know how true that is. You can correct me if I'm wrong and maybe I am but I thought you were in the "Trade Dame" camp long before he asked out and to me that's not 110% support.

That's also not an accusation from me because while I liked the person that Nurk presented himself to be to the fans, I couldn't stand Nurk the ball player and wanted him gone for a long time. I was calling for CJ to be traded for I'm pretty sure around seven seasons. Obviously I didn't support Felton when he came here out of shape and gave half the effort I'd seen him give on other teams. The list goes on for me.

I do always want what's best for our team. I want the Blazers to be successful and always watch as much as I can and read as much as I can about our team. I'm not one of these fairweather fans that talks about giving up on the team and that kind of bullshit. Players, coaches, GMs, owners, etc. that's a different story.
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Yeah this is part of being a fan of any team.
Lots of people liked Rasheed Wallace. I absolutely detested the guy on and off the court. I still find him cringeworthy.
Here I am though Blazer fan and all.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't know how true that is. You can correct me if I'm wrong and maybe I am but I thought you were in the "Trade Dame" camp long before he asked out and to me that's not 110% support.

That's also not an accusation from me because while I liked the person that Nurk presented himself to be to the fans, I couldn't stand Nurk the ball player and wanted him gone for a long time. I was calling for CJ to be traded for I'm pretty sure around seven seasons. Obviously I didn't support Felton when he came here out of shape and gave half the effort I'd seen him give on other teams. The list goes on for me.

I do always want what's best for our team. I want the Blazers to be successful and always watch as much as I can and read as much as I can about our team. I'm not one of these fairweather fans that talks about giving up on the team and that kind of bullshit. Players, coaches, GMs, owners, etc. that's a different story.
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I can’t remember if I wanted Dame gone before he asked out. Maybe I did, but I was crushed when he asked out. I guess I mean these young guys, as part of a rebuild on a losing, pretty bad team , need fan support.
 
Cugel said:
I can’t remember if I wanted Dame gone before he asked out. Maybe I did, but I was crushed when he asked out. I guess I mean these young guys, as part of a rebuild on a losing, pretty bad team , need fan support.
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Yeah the young guys should be given a chance and you're right that means like 110% support for at least a few seasons unless one of them does some fucked up shit (a la Kevin Porter Jr.).
 
Cugel said:
It is not Scoot’s fault his injury was the result of a, basically, dirty play. So sure in FIVE games he hasn’t caught fire. Anyone thinking five great or bad games for a 19 y/o is sufficient to determine a guy’s future has another thing coming.
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He got hurt in SL too. And I just said he MIGHT be a bust. Even in just 5 games, he’s been a disappointment because he was supposed to be NBA ready.
 
KingSpeed said:
He got hurt in SL too. And I just said he MIGHT be a bust. Even in just 5 games, he’s been a disappointment because he was supposed to be NBA ready.
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I didn't see a lot of analysts saying that Scoot (at 19) is or would be NBA ready any time soon. I obviously saw Joe saying it, we all did but we all should know by now that Joe was full of shit at that point. He knew he had made a decision to rebuild instead of doing what Dame had mandated he do and was just trying to make Dame be the guy to demand a trade so Joe didn't have to be seen as the GM who traded the guy who was at the time the most beloved superstar in the history of the team, against his will.

All of Joe's plans are working very well. A rebuild was the smartest way to build a team that could possibly contend at some point and give Joe time instead of having unrealistic expectations thrust on him immediately. Scoot is a great prospect. Even though he's having some success Shaedon is still just a really promising prospect. I honestly think the only guy on this roster that we should be excited about that isn't still a prospect is Ayton. Ayton could get better than he's ever been and still be that good when Shae, Scoot and our other prospects (Kris, Toumani, Jabari and Rayan) are hitting their primes.

Being concerned about right now isn't the right attitude to have with this team. We all have to have an eye towards the future at this point. Five fucking games of Scoot and two completely unrelated injuries can't possibly give any of us anything close to a definitive idea about what Scoot will mean to this team when it matters. Sure he might be a bust and he might be the best PG in the league at some point... most likely though he'll be a PG that falls somewhere between a high level starter and a superstar. We'll have to WAIT and see.
 
He is NBA ready, depending on your definition. If you are asking him for 20-5-10 a night then no he isn't ready. BUT he is as ready as Keon Johnson ever was and countless others that made it to the league. I am sure one can go back and find stats of players that either started off slow or fast and amounted to all-star caliber or trash, respectively. 5 games is simply not enough to conclude anything. Hopefully CB is the right coach to bring him along. We will never know. But I do appreciate how the NBA "knew" Wemby would be good with Pops. I jest...but what would Wemby look like playing for CB? Makes ya wonder.
 
blazerkor said:
I didn't see a lot of analysts saying that Scoot (at 19) is or would be NBA ready any time soon. I obviously saw Joe saying it, we all did but we all should know by now that Joe was full of shit at that point. He knew he had made a decision to rebuild instead of doing what Dame had mandated he do and was just trying to make Dame be the guy to demand a trade so Joe didn't have to be seen as the GM who traded the guy who was at the time the most beloved superstar in the history of the team, against his will.

All of Joe's plans are working very well. A rebuild was the smartest way to build a team that could possibly contend at some point and give Joe time instead of having unrealistic expectations thrust on him immediately. Scoot is a great prospect. Even though he's having some success Shaedon is still just a really promising prospect. I honestly think the only guy on this roster that we should be excited about that isn't still a prospect is Ayton. Ayton could get better than he's ever been and still be that good when Shae, Scoot and our other prospects (Kris, Toumani, Jabari and Rayan) are hitting their primes.

Being concerned about right now isn't the right attitude to have with this team. We all have to have an eye towards the future at this point. Five fucking games of Scoot and two completely unrelated injuries can't possibly give any of us anything close to a definitive idea about what Scoot will mean to this team when it matters. Sure he might be a bust and he might be the best PG in the league at some point... most likely though he'll be a PG that falls somewhere between a high level starter and a superstar. We'll have to WAIT and see.
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All the analysts said he was NBA ready because he had already played 2 years of pro basketball. Bill Simmons specifically said he was going to be a star right away. I’d bet you expected more than what he’s done too. And two injuries before the IST even starts is massively disappointing.
 
Cugel said:
He is NBA ready, depending on your definition. If you are asking him for 20-5-10 a night then no he isn't ready. BUT he is as ready as Keon Johnson ever was and countless others that made it to the league. I am sure one can go back and find stats of players that either started off slow or fast and amounted to all-star caliber or trash, respectively. 5 games is simply not enough to conclude anything. Hopefully CB is the right coach to bring him along. We will never know. But I do appreciate how the NBA "knew" Wemby would be good with Pops. I jest...but what would Wemby look like playing for CB? Makes ya wonder.
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I never expected 20-5-10. More like 16-5-5.
 
KingSpeed said:
He might be. It happens. We’ll see.
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blazerkor said:
I didn't see a lot of analysts saying that Scoot (at 19) is or would be NBA ready any time soon. I obviously saw Joe saying it, we all did but we all should know by now that Joe was full of shit at that point.
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Well, it doesn't matter what GMs or analysts think.

The reality is that, if you're a top conventional PG prodigy in the lottery (19 or 20 years old taken in the Top 5, not a point forward/combo guard), you would be able to show it in the first five games.

Rose, Wall, Kyrie, Westbrook, CP3, Morant, Trae, Fox.

Those guys all showed it in their first five games and produced good numbers.

I'm talking numbers like 14, 12, 18, 8, 14 pts.....in the first five games. 15/5 Per 36 minutes.

Of the other 19-20 year old PG prodigies drafted that high, do you want to know who didn't produce those stats right off the bat?

D'Angelo Russell, Markelle Fultz Jr., Mike Conley Jr., Dennis Smith Jr. (I'll put this one in because he was hyped to be Top 3-5 at one point).

Essentially.....if he doesn't click right away, chances are that Scoot simply won't get it and any expectations of him being a franchise superstar need to be tempered.

Now, I think Scoot got an unfair shake going up against strong defenses in his first several games and he has a coach who doesn't inspire a young player's confidence......but the league is catered towards Point Guards more than ever before. Hence, all these young PGs have been popping off since Chris Paul got drafted.

I'm not going to hold Scoot to it but if he doesn't show it in the first five games after his injury, it should be something to worry about. I'm even willing to write his rookie year as a fluke, if it doesn't work, and see how well he does as a 20 year old.

But the Trade Simons crowd need to realize that Simons is probably a good back up option, if these plans don't work out.
 
KingSpeed said:
I never expected 20-5-10. More like 16-5-5.
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That’s your problem with expectations. I was thinking he would be a 16-5-7 possibly the second half or at least the last 1/3 of the season. Even if he isn’t quite that I wouldn’t consider him a bust until we see if he doesn’t improve a lot in his second season.
 
Tortimer said:
That’s your problem with expectations. I was thinking he would be a 16-5-7 possibly the second half or at least the last 1/3 of the season. Even if he isn’t quite that I wouldn’t consider him a bust until we see if he doesn’t improve a lot in his second season.
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Steve Nash had 3pts and 2ast per game his first season. Second season he was at 9 and 3.

Finally got 30mpg his 3rd season and put up like 8 and 5...

I agree with you. Point guards can take a while.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Steve Nash had 3pts and 2ast per game his first season. Second season he was at 9 and 3.

Finally got 30mpg his 3rd season and put up like 8 and 5...

I agree with you. Point guards can take a while.
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some yes, some no

Scoot has barely played...5 games is fairly meaningless sample size

but, that won't stop us from pontificating...just out of curiosity it would be interesting to know if any top-10-in-draft PG's started out with a PER of 1.4; a TS% of .399; a turnover rate higher than assist rate; a -0.147 winshare/48 mark; and a -12.1 BPM. Those are absolutely boggling-bad numbers. But again, the sample size is so small and the numbers so bad that a 5 game stretch of just average play would change the picture substantially
 
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