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Phatguysrule said:
Very possibly. If that's the case we should be tanking for more talent.
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It’s ok for you to simply admit that Ant hit HUGE shots for us all the time down the stretch in tight games and that we have NOBODY on this roster that has the history of doing that and that ability will be missed. It’s OK to admit that. It’s not a stretch.
 
THE HCP said:
It’s ok for you to simply admit that Ant hit HUGE shots for us all the time down the stretch in tight games and that we have NOBODY on this roster that has the history of doing that and that ability will be missed. It’s OK to admit that. It’s not a stretch.
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I already have admitted that. I have nothing against Ant.

He's just not a number one option. He's not a good defender. He's not a good enough distributor. And we were never going to develop a number one option while he was here.

It's as simple as that.

If we are going to miss him as much as you seem to be implying then we definitely need to be tanking to get more talent.
 
Phatguysrule said:
You can't deny that it WOULD be incredible...
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Phatguysrule said:
I already have admitted that. I have nothing against Ant.

He's just not a number one option. He's not a good defender. He's not a good enough distributor. And we were never going to develop a number one option while he was here.

It's as simple as that.

If we are going to miss him as much as you seem to be implying then we definitely need to be tanking to get more talent.
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He was our Number one option for the past 2+ seasons though. So he IS a number one option. You may not like it and he wasn’t surrounded by talent enough to have it mean anything, but there is NOBODY on this roster that has been in that position. That’s all I’m saying. Addition by subtraction doesn’t always work. And YES we do need MUCH more talent. A TON more, especially in the middle!
 
THE HCP said:
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He was our Number one option for the past 2+ seasons though. So he IS a number one option. You may not like it and he wasn’t surrounded by talent enough to have it mean anything, but there is NOBODY on this roster that has been in that position. That’s all I’m saying. Addition by subtraction doesn’t always work. And YES we do need MUCH more talent. A TON more, especially in the middle!
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Correct, I forgot to include the qualifier that he's not in number one option on a quality team.

I agree, we do need a lot more talent.
 
THE HCP said:
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He was our Number one option for the past 2+ seasons though. So he IS a number one option. You may not like it and he wasn’t surrounded by talent enough to have it mean anything, but there is NOBODY on this roster that has been in that position. That’s all I’m saying. Addition by subtraction doesn’t always work. And YES we do need MUCH more talent. A TON more, especially in the middle!
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Correct, I forgot to include the qualifier that he's not a number one option *on a quality team. And IMO, you can't build a quality team around him as your number one option.*

I agree, we do need a lot more talent.
 
THE HCP said:
It’s ok for you to simply admit that Ant hit HUGE shots for us all the time down the stretch in tight games and that we have NOBODY on this roster that has the history of doing that and that ability will be missed. It’s OK to admit that. It’s not a stretch.
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There were no huge shots during Ant's time with the Blazers.
 
THE HCP said:
I don’t think anybody denies Ant’s deficiencies, but those were covered by his teammates….. helping on defense is a lot easier than hitting huge shots in tight games. He will be missed for sure.
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I think, tho, that the rest of the team doesn't really have to cover up for Denis deficiencies.

That's not to say that a #1 shouldn't have certain (lack of) skills covered by their teammates, Dame did. But the gulf between Dame and Simons, inasmuch as offensively speaking and gravitational pull, is impossible to navigate without a interstellar spaceship.
 
I mostly agree with HCP. I think Ant is a valuable player as a sixth man microwave. The debate I'm reading though shouldn't be just about Ant. We traded him for Jrue. If we're going to debate a moot question, the debate should be Ant v. Jrue, who provides what, and which one is better for the team as constructed. I'll take Jrue's overall game and experience and look for another shooter.
 
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BBert said:
I mostly agree with HCP. I think Ant is a valuable player as a sixth man microwave. The debate I'm reading though shouldn't be just about Ant. We traded him for Jrue. If we're going to debate a moot question, the debate should be Ant v. Jrue, who provides what, and which one is better for the team as constructed. I'll take Jrue's overall game and experience.
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And who has the most value at the trade deadline. Doesn't seem to be Simons at all. Not sure how much Jrue has though.
 
THE HCP said:
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He was our Number one option for the past 2+ seasons though. So he IS a number one option. You may not like it and he wasn’t surrounded by talent enough to have it mean anything, but there is NOBODY on this roster that has been in that position. That’s all I’m saying. Addition by subtraction doesn’t always work. And YES we do need MUCH more talent. A TON more, especially in the middle!
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No Blazers player the last two seasons has received as much defensive pressure while being called on to hit tough shots as Ant. I laugh when I see people compare the shooting percentage or consistency of some guy who stands in the corner taking open, easy threes to someone like Ant or Dame who have to deal with intense pressure on every possession while having to manufacture heavily contested shots.
 
THE HCP said:
God daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!!!!!!!! Wow!
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CJ McCollum dunked on Luka with 2 hands. Al Faruq-Aminu dunked (rarely dunked on people) on him in the same game. Do you think Deni would EVER allow that?
Deni is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Luka Doncic defensively. They not in the same solar system. Now, Give Deni the keys and you don't think he can average 20/7/7 next season?
You don't see him potentially averaging more? I personally can't stand Luka's game. He's a glorified James Harden who rebounds better.

I don't respect non defensive floppers AT ALL.
 
dviss1 said:
CJ McCollum dunked on Luka with 2 hands. Al Faruq-Aminu dunked (rarely dunked on people) on him in the same game. Do you think Deni would EVER allow that?
Deni is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Luka Doncic defensively. They not in the same solar system. Now, Give Deni the keys and you don't think he can average 20/7/7 next season?
You don't see him potentially averaging more? I personally can't stand Luka's game. He's a glorified James Harden who rebounds better.

I don't respect non defensive floppers AT ALL.
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I love Deni's game. However, he does have more TO's that I would like and don't know if he has the alpha-personality to take the keys and lead the team. Not sure Sharp has that either. Scoot seems the most likely key-holder.

I don't think Scoot is the most talented, but I think he is the guy that could bring everyone together to perform their best.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
I love Deni's game. However, he does have more TO's that I would like and don't know if he has the alpha-personality to take the keys and lead the team. Not sure Sharp has that either. Scoot seems the most likely key-holder.

I don't think Scoot is the most talented, but I think he is the guy that could bring everyone together to perform their best.
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Did you even look at Luka's Turnovers before you typed that? I know his usage is higher but he averages a whole turnover more than Deni.

This is a little nit picky bruh... Offense should be ran through Deni.
 
dviss1 said:
Did you even look at Luka's Turnovers before you typed that? I know his usage is higher but he averages a whole turnover more than Deni.

This is a little nit picky bruh... Offense should be ran through Deni.
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I had zero consideration of Luka, just looking at Blazers. Luka is irrelevant.
 
THE HCP said:
It’s ok for you to simply admit that Ant hit HUGE shots for us all the time down the stretch in tight games and that we have NOBODY on this roster that has the history of doing that and that ability will be missed. It’s OK to admit that. It’s not a stretch.
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I don’t remember the exact stat but wasn’t Sharpe top 10 in finishing during closing times of games. Obviously smaller sample size but think it’s still qualifies him as potential closer at end of games
 
Scoot and Sharpe aere not given the opportunity to develop quickly at the start of their career like some other high draft picks. I still believe in both to reach all nba first team or better in their prime years.
 
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