Scottie Pippen next head coach of the Blazers?

[oldmangrouch]

Still, Jerry Sloan is the Marv Levy of NBA coaches.

Outside of Nate-the-Great, do you respect *any* NBA coach?

 

[KingSpeed]

Actually they were the 5-seed in '94, now that I look back at it.

Lost to #2 Houston in the WCF.

Still, Jerry Sloan is the Marv Levy of NBA coaches.

I thought we were talking about 1995 when Houston was the 6th seed.

 

[Wheels]

Fuck ya, I am. He only lost to the team that won 72 games in one season. He only lost to the best player in NBA history. The Jazz were pretty fuckin good, and they made a series of it. It's not like the Bulls swept them. You aren't giving that guy very much credit.

just a little correction. The 72-10 Bulls beat the Sonics. The other Bulls teams were very good though

 

[julius]

That's two more NBA Finals than most coaches.

and 2 more finals appearances than Nate has made as a coach. And more 1st round series wins than Nate has. And more 2nd round series wins than Nate has.

Not that I believe he'd be a good choice, I guess if we're going to argue devils advocate....

 

[Natebishop3]

just a little correction. The 72-10 Bulls beat the Sonics. The other Bulls teams were very good though

It was the same damn team!

 

[PapaG]

Outside of Nate-the-Great, do you respect *any* NBA coach?

Phil Jackson
Doc Rivers (fired
Larry Brown (fired from how many jobs?)
Gregg Popovich
Pat Riley
Rick Carlisle (fired twice)

Oddly, all of them have titles, and all but one did it with at least one MVP-level player.

I think coaching is highly overrated in the NBA. It's a players' league, and the best coaches try not to fuck things up too much.

 

[PapaG]

I thought we were talking about 1995 when Houston was the 6th seed.

Jordan played in 1995. 1994 was the year w/out #45.

 

[Minstrel]

I think coaching is highly overrated in the NBA. It's a players' league, and the best coaches try not to fuck things up too much.

I pretty much agree with you, but why then are you such a defender of McMillan? The net result of my thinking that the role of coaches is overrated is that I'm pretty neutral on the subject of McMillan. I don't put all or even most of the blame on him, but I also think it would be no big deal if he were replaced. You seem to argue against the idea of McMillan being replaced unless his replacement is someone unimpeachably great.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I think coaching is highly overrated in the NBA. It's a players' league, and the best coaches try not to fuck things up too much.

Can't argue with that. The flip side is that sometimes you just need a fresh voice and fresh ideas.

 

[julius]

Jordan played in 1995. 1994 was the year w/out #45.

yeah, but Jordan in 95 was pretty much human Jordan. 18 games didn't give him enough time to gel with the team or get into Jordan shape.

 

[Minstrel]

yeah, but Jordan in 95 was pretty much human Jordan. 18 games didn't give him enough time to gel with the team or get into Jordan shape.

He was at least in Felton shape, though.

 

[PapaG]

I pretty much agree with you, but why then are you such a defender of McMillan? The net result of my thinking that the role of coaches is overrated is that I'm pretty neutral on the subject of McMillan. I don't put all or even most of the blame on him, but I also think it would be no big deal if he were replaced. You seem to argue against the idea of McMillan being replaced unless his replacement is someone unimpeachably great.

I think McMillan has been a decent coach, and had his players up until a month ago. Maybe it is time for a fresh face, but I don't see it happening until after the season. I'm more anti-armchair coaching than I am pro-McMillan, anyhow. I just hope people don't expect some new coach to make this team a contender without major changes to the roster.

 

[PapaG]

yeah, but Jordan in 95 was pretty much human Jordan. 18 games didn't give him enough time to gel with the team or get into Jordan shape.

A 22.1 PER in 17 regular season games for Jordan, and 24.8 in the playoffs (10 games), was better than Pete Myers at any stage of Myers' career.

Unless you're saying Jordan's 24.8 PER in the '95 playoffs somehow hurt the Bulls compared to no Jordan at all in '94?

 

[julius]

A 22.1 PER in 17 regular season games for Jordan, and 24.8 in the playoffs (10 games), was better than Pete Myers at any stage of Myers' career.

Unless you're saying Jordan's 24.8 PER in the '95 playoffs somehow hurt the Bulls compared to no Jordan at all in '94?

Ah, if PER told everything you'd have a great point.

but, some key stats.

He shot a career low (INCLUDING his stats in Washington) from the floor, and outside of the year he broke his leg (2nd year) and his years in Washington, he averaged a career low in ppg. He was not the player he was the next year.

And considering his career PER average was 5 points higher, and the lowest of his Chicago Bulls career (by 3.1), yeah. He didn't give them as much as he used to.

 

[PapaG]

Ah, if PER told everything you'd have a great point.

but, some key stats.

He shot a career low (INCLUDING his stats in Washington) from the floor, and outside of the year he broke his leg (2nd year) and his years in Washington, he averaged a career low in ppg. He was not the player he was the next year.

And considering his career PER average was 5 points higher, and the lowest of his Chicago Bulls career (by 3.1), yeah. He didn't give them as much as he used to.

He gave them something, though. Pete Myers gave them a 10.1 PER the year Jordan was gone. I'm not even sure what we're debating, anyhow.

 

[julius]

He gave them something, though. Pete Myers gave them a 10.1 PER the year Jordan was gone. I'm not even sure what we're debating, anyhow.

when are we ever sure of what we debate on here? Don't we usually just yell things at a screen and forget about it 5 minutes later?

Because, that's what I do...

 

[jlprk]

You are debating whether Pippen should be our head coach. To do that, it is of paramount importance to determine Pete Myers' PER.

 

[MickZagger]

People wouldn't want Sloan because he's never won a title?

He's a surefire HOF'er and has more playoff success than McMillan could ever dream of.

 

[MickZagger]

Tom Thibedeau is the best coach in the NBA.

 

[oldmangrouch]

BTW, while I can't see Pippen as a head coach - I don't see any harm in giving him a shot as an assistant. Every coach has to start somewhere.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Sure why not.

He became a quitter and a cancer in his last season. He's also totally arrogant.

Please, NO!!!!!

 

[jlprk]

I'm more anti-armchair coaching than I am pro-McMillan, anyhow.

In other words you're a kneejerk defender of authority.

 

[jlprk]

Pippen and Jordan constantly ridiculed the Bulls GM and got the whole nation to hate him. Then Whitsitt signed Pippen, losing Schremph's loyalty, and Pippen bit the hand which fed him by badmouthing Whitsitt. Then Pippen kept telling local reporters that Allen should make him Asst. GM so he could retire as a player. Then he went to Chicago and went bankrupt.

He always had a rough manner of speaking and thinking. He's a moron and should not be even an Asst. Coach.

 

[Natebishop3]

Pippen and Jordan constantly ridiculed the Bulls GM and got the whole nation to hate him. Then Whitsitt signed Pippen, losing Schremph's loyalty, and Pippen bit the hand which fed him by badmouthing Whitsitt. Then Pippen kept telling local reporters that Allen should make him Asst. GM so he could retire as a player. Then he went to Chicago and went bankrupt.

He always had a rough manner of speaking and thinking. He's a moron and should not be even an Asst. Coach.

Eh, actually we traded for Pippen, we didn't sign him. And I'm pretty sure (although I might be wrong) that we traded for Pippen before we signed Detlef.

Nope, you were right. We signed Detlef in August and we traded for Pippen in October.

 

[PapaG]

In other words you're a kneejerk defender of authority.

Actually, I'm a kneejerk opponent of armchair coaches.

 

[jlprk]

Eh, actually we traded for Pippen, we didn't sign him. And I'm pretty sure (although I might be wrong) that we traded for Pippen before we signed Detlef.

Nope, you were right. We signed Detlef in August and we traded for Pippen in October.

Signed shmigned, what's the diff. Don't you remember why Schremph was so dissatisfied the whole time he was here? He was brought in to start and other teams had pursued him, to be a starter. Then the Pippen windfall came because Allen outbid others and Detlef was immediately a bench scrub.

 

[julius]

Signed shmigned, what's the diff. Don't you remember why Schremph was so dissatisfied the whole time he was here? He was brought in to start and other teams had pursued him, to be a starter. Then the Pippen windfall came because Allen outbid others and Detlef was immediately a bench scrub.

Poor Detlef. A player who was vastly superior to him in every way was brought in and started. Wah.

 

[Natebishop3]

Poor Detlef. A player who was vastly superior to him in every way was brought in and started. Wah.

Not to mention he was pretty much washed up at that point anyway.

 

[Masbee]

He had two Hall of Fame players for 14 years, and he made 2 NBA Finals.

Sloan is overrated, and thinking he'd come to Portland and win with this roster is delusional.

The Mailman failed to deliver most playoff runs. He would get the yips and miss key free throws and wide open 15 footers. That and the fact that the Jazz never had much decent depth beyond 3 or 4 players mad it tough for them to survive 7 game series against deeper teams.

 

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