OT Seattle's CHAZ district

[Hoopguru]

I really do appreciate this, BTW, have you seen 13th? It really is worth a watch. I couldn't believe what I was seeing TOTAL eye-opener!

Well said.....Every Gov / Mayor / Police commissioner, should be required to publish an improvement plan for The Police under their jurisdictions. When judgement starts at the top in these States we should see improvement. To often the politicians skate and the accountability is lost.

 

[Further]

I really do appreciate this, BTW, have you seen 13th? It really is worth a watch. I couldn't believe what I was seeing TOTAL eye-opener!

Not yet. I’ve heard very good reviews.

 

[Sedatedfork]

 

[Propagandist]

And if you don't do it you're the following.
~Nazi
~Racist
~Have zero empathy
~Have endless amounts of white guilt.

Pander to black people/minorities. Give them your money. Sell your homes and give them 80% of the selling price.
Clearly this is the only way to show you're not a racist.

Due to massive bitching about a typo on my phone I'm editing my typo.,.
You people can all go find something else to virtue signal about okay?
You people is referring to the white people on this forum. Not black people nor other minorities. Jesus christ...


Maybe you can do this? full of cultual appropriation and pandering.

Take a deep breath, Mr HC.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I've heard Seattle's CHUD district is pretty scary, though

 

[Orion Bailey]

https://www.rt.com/usa/491883-seatt...a&utm_medium=miximedia&utm_campaign=Miximedia

 

[Shaboid]

All of Seattle should just be called the CHOAD district.

 

[RR7]

https://www.rt.com/usa/491883-seatt...a&utm_medium=miximedia&utm_campaign=Miximedia

Fake news

 

[Orion Bailey]

Fake news

Is it? Please point out where. Ill call it out too. I watched the vid's and read the article. Seemed fair to me.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Is it? Please point out where. Ill call it out too. I watched the vid's and read the article. Seemed fair to me.

I have seen that dude on twitter post a lot of fake stuff about CHAZ fwiw.

 

[RR7]

You read the article and it "seemed fair" is how you determine whether something is real or not.
That's the whole problem with yelling fake news and railing against the media. It shows your implicit bias.

 

[Orion Bailey]

You read the article and it "seemed fair" is how you determine whether something is real or not.
That's the whole problem with yelling fake news and railing against the media. It shows your implicit bias.

Yes. It seemed fair. .. seemed. That's not conclusive... or "Determined real" like you suggest I am saying....

Meaning I see it as incomplete. awaiting more info. I think its almost all biased. this guy might be biased as well, but I don't know enough yet. That's why I didn't make a comment on the link one way or another. I just provided it for public consumption around here. I just posted a link.



So did you get your daily dose of your superiority complex flex here? I can post some more links and provide my opinion like everyone else, so you can continue to feed your complex.


You know, like in that other thread, where 15 people commented on the bulk of it, so no need for me to regurgitate what was said, so I pointed out a misleading title, and you flexed your ... whatever...

cant post an opinion or a link without getting shit from the moral superiority complex members here....

Carry on....

SMH......

 

[RR7]

 

[Sedatedfork]

From what I've personally seen at CHAZ. It seems 100% peaceful. I was there when the street preacher first showed up. He was honestly trying to stir shit up. Wasn't there when he was taken down. Not sure what precipitated this whole thing you saw at the body shop. Local news makes it seem like there were a couple of people that wanted to break in and burn the place and they were stopped by other CHAZ supporters. If you watch the video you can see how that might be the case.

 

[Hoopguru]

Is it? Please point out where. Ill call it out too. I watched the vid's and read the article. Seemed fair to me.

The fellow is right his own Government leaders have let his and his neighbor hood down.
The Gov, Mayor & Police commish haven't done what they swore an oath to do.
This leadership hopes it will escalate to the point that Trump will send in the troops and make him look as terrible as he is. Except I hate it when politicians play games and this is a game to the leaders of Seattle.

 

[Orion Bailey]

From what I've personally seen at CHAZ. It seems 100% peaceful. I was there when the street preacher first showed up. He was honestly trying to stir shit up. Wasn't there when he was taken down. Not sure what precipitated this whole thing you saw at the body shop. Local news makes it seem like there were a couple of people that wanted to break in and burn the place and they were stopped by other CHAZ supporters. If you watch the video you can see how that might be the case.

Kinda what I got from it too. But what I mostly see is very little open communication from anyone in these videos. I keep hearing... "I'M done talking"
I think more of the CHAZ leaders should reach out to the media and try to explain what they want, what it will take to have them disperse and how they plan to maintain a peaceful living environment for all until that happens.

If the interview has been done and is out there, I haven't stumbled on it yet.

I think it would do them alot of good though, if they actively tried instead of just let people report how they want what is going on in there.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yep. Pretty much my reaction to your last few posts both quoting me and not quoting me but obviously for me...

 

[Sedatedfork]

Kinda what I got from it too. But what I mostly see is very little open communication from anyone in these videos. I keep hearing... "I'M done talking"
I think more of the CHAZ leaders should reach out to the media and try to explain what they want, what it will take to have them disperse and how they plan to maintain a peaceful living environment for all until that happens.

If the interview has been done and is out there, I haven't stumbled on it yet.

I think it would do them alot of good though, if they actively tried instead of just let people report how they want what is going on in there.

It's really difficult to discuss things with an organization that has a decentralized system. Not one person seems to speak for CHAZ as far as I know.

 

[Shaboid]

Kinda what I got from it too. But what I mostly see is very little open communication from anyone in these videos. I keep hearing... "I'M done talking"
I think more of the CHAZ leaders should reach out to the media and try to explain what they want, what it will take to have them disperse and how they plan to maintain a peaceful living environment for all until that happens.

If the interview has been done and is out there, I haven't stumbled on it yet.

I think it would do them alot of good though, if they actively tried instead of just let people report how they want what is going on in there.

How about this though?


Not trying to start a media argument here, because I hear your points and I understand the frustration. You call the media fake news, but then you want these people to go to the media? I'm confused.

 

[Orion Bailey]

How about this though?


Not trying to start a media argument here, because I hear your points and I understand the frustration. You call the media fake news, but then you want these people to go to the media? I'm confused.

Maybe "go to the media" isn't the best use words. Somehow make their wants more vocalized. Hold live press conferences. open discussions. Etc. I mean media, is almost too broad a term anymore.
What is media?
Licenced credentialed networkers?

Someone with an Iphone and a twitter account?

I think raw, unedited video is about the best way we can have fair reporting when it comes to reporters posting a story based on a video that doesn't show the prequel and the finalization... in other words, the situation in its entirety.

I wish I had a solution to fake news. But its very real the lack of trust some have, vs the complete blind following that others also have as long as it fits a narrative.


Then there are others who deny or minimize this even being a problem. I think its a HUGE part of our societal problems right now and more emphasis should be put into figuring out how to halt fake news while not impacting the rights and freedoms of individuals.
I think news corporations should be held more accountable for reporting fake news. I would be in favor(what are the details?) of legislation that would impose fines or media credential revocation of networks who publicize fake news. Satirical are one thing, but photo shopping? Misleading titles of events that have occured? It's got to stop. And at the same time, and i'm guilty... we have got to stop running with the headlines and forming immovable opinions based off headlines alone.

 

[Shaboid]

Maybe "go to the media" isn't the best use words. Somehow make their wants more vocalized. Hold live press conferences. open discussions. Etc. I mean media, is almost too broad a term anymore.
What is media?
Licenced credentialed networkers?

Do you think these people that are protesting have the platform to go to the media or hold press conferences though? They are the voices being oppressed. The only way we/they can have a platform is to protest or react in the fashion that is happening.

Let me ask you, would anyone give you a press conference or arguably outside this forum, have open discussions with you?

I think raw, unedited video is about the best way we can have fair reporting when it comes to reporters posting a story based on a video that doesn't show the prequel and the finalization... in other words, the situation in its entirety.

I wish I had a solution to fake news. But its very real the lack of trust some have, vs the complete blind following that others also have as long as it fits a narrative.

Not saying I agree, but every time you use the words "fake news", someone is going to think you are a Trump supporter. It's his slogan, his lexicon. I would suggest, false reporting, or as mags would say, sensationalize or something. Idk. Just my two cents.

Then there are others who deny or minimize this even being a problem. I think its a HUGE part of our societal problems right now and more emphasis should be put into figuring out how to halt fake news while not impacting the rights and freedoms of individuals.
I think news corporations should be held more accountable for reporting fake news. I would be in favor(what are the details?) of legislation that would impose fines or media credential revocation of networks who publicize fake news. Satirical are one thing, but photo shopping? Misleading titles of events that have occured? It's got to stop. And at the same time, and i'm guilty... we have got to stop running with the headlines and forming immovable opinions based off headlines alone.

I don't think it is the biggest part of our societal problems right now, but it does exist. Fox News is the biggest colprut in my opinion, but others are guilty too. Photoshopping should be given hefty fines.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Do you think these people that are protesting have the platform to go to the media or hold press conferences though? They are the voices being oppressed. The only way we/they can have a platform is to protest or react in the fashion that is happening.

Let me ask you, would anyone give you a press conference or arguably outside this forum, have open discussions with you?

Agreed, but at the same time( and I don't know) are they actively reaching out and asking networks for raw live press conferences that c ant be manipulated and then aired? Are they reaching out to thier social media supporters and doing FB live broadcasts with information for the public?

Not saying I agree, but every time you use the words "fake news", someone is going to think you are a Trump supporter. It's his slogan, his lexicon. I would suggest, false reporting, or as mags would say, sensationalize or something. Idk. Just my two cents.

Understood and will take note, but I think that says more about those judging me as a Trump supporter than it does me saying its fake news. Maybe those so quick to jump on that conclusion should look within themselves more.

I don't think it is the biggest part of our societal problems right now, but it does exist. Fox News is the biggest colprut in my opinion, but others are guilty too. Photoshopping should be given hefty fines.

I agree 100%. I called out Fox big time on FB. Straight up. I don't do everything here anymore. Mostly because this place can be like a vulture convention....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

vulture convention

That doesn't seem too bad.

 

[Shaboid]

Agreed, but at the same time( and I don't know) are they actively reaching out and asking networks for raw live press conferences that c ant be manipulated and then aired? Are they reaching out to thier social media supporters and doing FB live broadcasts with information for the public?

Why would they if, as we can both agree, the news is all bullshit. I can confirm that Facebook live broadcasts are occurring and social media is being used. We all might be in our own social media bubble a bit, yourself included?

Understood and will take note, but I think that says more about those judging me as a Trump supporter than it does me saying its fake news. Maybe those so quick to jump on that conclusion should look within themselves more.

That's on each person themselves. Just wanted to give you a heads up about how you may get hard blowback when trying to have an open conversation. Something I believe that you do want.

I agree 100%. I called out Fox big time on FB. Straight up. I don't do everything here anymore. Mostly because this place can be like a vulture convention....

What is Facebook? I ditched that place a couple years ago.

 

[RR7]

Understood and will take note, but I think that says more about those judging me as a Trump supporter than it does me saying its fake news. Maybe those so quick to jump on that conclusion should look within themselves more.
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I disagree. Had it been a popular phrase that was in use before Trump, then sure. But if I say Make America Great Again, and someone assumes that I'm a trump supporter because of it, that doesn't say more about them making the assumption. It just doesn't.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I disagree. Had it been a popular phrase that was in use before Trump, then sure. But if I say Make America Great Again, and someone assumes that I'm a trump supporter because of it, that doesn't say more about them making the assumption. It just doesn't.

Then you are using a selective bias to form your opinion while dismissing many posts of which Ive declared i'm no Trump fan or supporter.

I didn't think enough of it to think it would be tied to anything other than misinformation, so your judgement of me is off base. So we shall agree to disagree ,but maybe rather than pass judgement clarify? ask?

"Hey, you keep saying Fake news. Is that because you are a Trump supporter? If not, maybe I suggest using something else?"

I just chalk it up to the same shit different day. Posters choosing to disregard many consistent posts in favor of focusing on one that seems to fit their narrative. In this instance its you focusing on me using the words as fake news rather than looking at the content of my statements combined with the fact i've made it clear many times I don't support the dude.

so we shall have to agreee to disagree.

Maybe I should have better awareness and observations of how people tie things together, and maybe you should also have the observance and awareness to see Ive made my Trump stance very clear, and yet you focus on the surface of my words instead of the content.

Running away with the title, so to speak.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Chaz is too hipster. It should be the Doug or Billy zone.

 

[The Professional Fan]

 

[THE HCP]

The fellow is right his own Government leaders have let his and his neighbor hood down.
The Gov, Mayor & Police commish haven't done what they swore an oath to do.
This leadership hopes it will escalate to the point that Trump will send in the troops and make him look as terrible as he is. Except I hate it when politicians play games and this is a game to the leaders of Seattle.

Man, this is a bunch of hippies having an art fair. There are women walking around with babies selling fruit and veggies.
Should they be doing this, hell no. Do they need to get scooped up and have order restored, by all means. But this is no way as bad as people are making it out to be. I'd be pissed if I owned a business right there though.