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Not too often that it's the case, but for last night at least Kobe Bryant was only the second best shooting guard on the court.

Bryant: 26 pts (38% shooting) 3 reb, 3 assists, 0 st, 1 to, 1 bl, 5 pf, 39 min
Roy: 27 pts (44% shooting), 6 reb, 5 assists, 1 st, 1 to, 0 bl, 1 pf, 38 min

Nice job, Brandon. :smiley-smiley-049:
 
e_blazer said:
Not too often that it's the case, but for last night at least Kobe Bryant was only the second best shooting guard on the court.

Bryant: 26 pts (38% shooting) 3 reb, 3 assists, 0 st, 1 to, 1 bl, 5 pf, 39 min
Roy: 27 pts (44% shooting), 6 reb, 5 assists, 1 st, 1 to, 0 bl, 1 pf, 38 min

Nice job, Brandon. :smiley-smiley-049:
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My favorite stat?

Roy +30

Mile High Rapist -20
 
Yup, loved it.
It took Kobe 29 shots to get 26 points. Fail.
It took Brandon 18 shots to get 27 points. Win!
It even took Travis just 11 shots to get 22 points. Win!
 
i was more impressed by the fact that, after halftime and down 23, you knew K*be was going to start playing K*beBall, and trying to win by himself.

The lead increased to 30.
 
so none of you would rather have kobe over roy?

cmon...stop
 
MIXUM said:
cmon...stop
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Have fun, guy. Your favourite team beat a top team. Portland might still make the playoffs (though, granted, it's a huge longshot). Life is good. Right?
 
MIXUM said:
so none of you would rather have kobe over roy?

cmon...stop
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It's not even a question given their age difference. If they were the same age we'd all take Kobe, but Roy's going to be winning titles for us after Kobe's out of the league (unless Kobe wants to hold on for a while, which he's obviously capable of doing - I don't question his ability).
 
MIXUM said:
so none of you would rather have kobe over roy?

cmon...stop
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For the next 15 years and to fit our championship window? Brandon all the way. And do you really think a 'true' Blazer fan would trade Brandon for Kobe? I hope not.
 
Meh, Kobe has those off nights every now and then. If I recall correctly, Roy was less than stellar himself for a stretch on the road.
 
e_blazer said:
Not too often that it's the case, but for last night at least Kobe Bryant was only the second best shooting guard on the court.

Bryant: 26 pts (38% shooting) 3 reb, 3 assists, 0 st, 1 to, 1 bl, 5 pf, 39 min
Roy: 27 pts (44% shooting), 6 reb, 5 assists, 1 st, 1 to, 0 bl, 1 pf, 38 min

Nice job, Brandon. :smiley-smiley-049:
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You forgot the word "checkmate"
 
I know I wouldn't ever even think about trading Roy for Kobe even if they were the same age. I really wouldn't want Kobe on my team even though I know he is a great player maybe the best or second best player in the league right now.
 
DaRizzle said:
You forgot the word "checkmate"
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Nah. I'm not a "checkmate" kind of guy. First, as I pointed out in my initial post, it's unusual for Kobe not to be the best 2G on the court. Second, the competition between Kobe and Brandon isn't over, so I couldn't say, "checkmate", even if I were that kind of guy. Thankfully for us fans, these two players are going to go head to head many times in the future. I, for one, am looking forward to watching those competitions.
 
Yeah, if that was the first NBA game somebody saw, they'd think Roy was the better player. He had the better game, but usually does play well vs. Kobe (if not outplay him).
 
It was great to see Kobe revert back to his "ME VERSUS THE WORLD!" mentality. The Lakers came completely unglued.
 
What impressed me the most was that the L*kers defensive gameplan was to protect K*be from Roy. You'll never hear Jackson praise a player on another team, but the fact that he was afraid that one of the best defensive SG's in the game was going to get into foul trouble by guarding Brandon tells me all I need to know about his opinion of Roy.
 
e_blazer said:
Not too often that it's the case, but for last night at least Kobe Bryant was only the second best shooting guard on the court.

Bryant: 26 pts (38% shooting) 3 reb, 3 assists, 0 st, 1 to, 1 bl, 5 pf, 39 min
Roy: 27 pts (44% shooting), 6 reb, 5 assists, 1 st, 1 to, 0 bl, 1 pf, 38 min

Nice job, Brandon. :smiley-smiley-049:
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This season, it is not all that far off as some people might think.

Roy PER: 24.3
Kobe PER: 25.2

Roy Win Shares: 9.5 (1st on his team)
Kobe Win Shares: 10.4 (2nd on his team. Yes, that's right - 2nd!)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2009.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html

All-Star teamates to help carry the load:
Roy = 0
Kobe = 1

Roy is right there with similar "Clutch" stats this season as Kobe:
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Last year was a big gap in production. This season, not so much.

So, who would trade a 24 year old, on a rookie contract, who is the team's best player, leader and heart and soul and face of the franchise, for a 30 year old, prima donna, with heavy mileage, on a $20mil+ per year contract, for a slight upgrade in stats?

Who the hell would do that?
 
maxiep said:
What impressed me the most was that the L*kers defensive gameplan was to protect K*be from Roy. You'll never hear Jackson praise a player on another team, but the fact that he was afraid that one of the best defensive SG's in the game was going to get into foul trouble by guarding Brandon tells me all I need to know about his opinion of Roy.
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Which he ended up getting in foul trouble anyway.
 
Masbee said:
So, who would trade a 24 year old, on a rookie contract, who is the team's best player, leader and heart and soul and face of the franchise, for a 30 year old, prima donna, with heavy mileage, on a $20mil+ per year contract, for a slight upgrade in stats?

Who the hell would do that?
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Chris Wallace? John Nash? Isiah Thomas?
 
Masbee said:
This season, it is not all that far off as some people might think.

Roy PER: 24.3
Kobe PER: 25.2

Roy Win Shares: 9.5 (1st on his team)
Kobe Win Shares: 10.4 (2nd on his team. Yes, that's right - 2nd!)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2009.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/2009.html

All-Star teamates to help carry the load:
Roy = 0
Kobe = 1

Roy is right there with similar "Clutch" stats this season as Kobe:
http://www.82games.com/0809/CSORT11.HTM

Last year was a big gap in production. This season, not so much.

So, who would trade a 24 year old, on a rookie contract, who is the team's best player, leader and heart and soul and face of the franchise, for a 30 year old, prima donna, with heavy mileage, on a $20mil+ per year contract, for a slight upgrade in stats?

Who the hell would do that?
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Kobe's empirical prowess has significantly gone up after Andrew went down. The same would occur if Pau was gone.
 
huevonkiller said:
Kobe's empirical prowess has significantly gone up after Andrew went down.
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Prove it. I am not aware that this is true.

The same would occur if Pau was gone.
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Hypothetical.

Watch, I can do that too.

If LaMarcus went down with injury, Brandon's empirical prowess would go up significantly.
 
Masbee said:
Prove it. I am not aware that this is true.
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basketball-reference.com "Splits".

Hypothetical.

Watch, I can do that too.

If LaMarcus went down with injury, Brandon's empirical prowess would go up significantly.
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Kobe's been there done that already, don't know why you're surprised. Great teams have players subjugating themselves, like the Celtics for example.
 
huevonkiller said:
basketball-reference.com "Splits".



Kobe's been there done that already, don't know why you're surprised. Great teams have players subjugating themselves, like the Celtics for example.
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Fail.
 
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