Semi-OT: Could Brittney Griner make it in the NBA?

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These type of comparisons are a joke. Chris Johnson can't get his ass off the bench in the NBA....... you put him in the WNBA and he is putting up Wilt Chamberlain type #s. Lock this thread down!
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yes, but you keep hammering on this same kind of thing over and over and over. You rarely post on Blazer related topics anymore and really only show up to argue about women/men. Even your avatar is a weak attempt to troll the men on this board. Why are you so insecure about your sex that you feel the need to constantly defend it?
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Rather telling that you're more upset or irritated by crandc defending women and pointing out problematic statements than you are by those very same problematic and sexist statements.

I would wager, though a guess, she doesn't show up to post very much anymore for the same reason many women don't post on sports boards: It isn't a very welcoming or safe place for women. We get to hear sexist comments all day outside the internet, why come to read them when we just want to talk basketball instead of reading those comments and educating you? Especially since the first ten times education is tried hardly any of the people making problematic/sexist comments stop. Just continues, continues, continues. It is all rather exhausting.

It is the same for most other minorities/marginalized groups. There are so few on sports boards, in particular on ones with very lax rules about how to treat others. Do you think that is because there are just so few, for example, gay sports fans in general? I think there's only three of us that are out here, and two of us don't post very much anymore. It isn't because we don't like talking sports. I think there are only three women here too, and none of us post much anymore either.

It's because people who hateful and hurtful comments are directed towards get tired of other people being more upset that those comments and people are called out and told they're being problematic/sexist/racist/homophobic, rather than you know being upset or offended at the people making those comments, or the comments themselves.

Though the idea of her being 'insecure' about her sex is laughable. If crandc is considered insecure and defensive for trying to make this place more respectful towards women, then I'm terrified what that makes people who sit idly by while sexist behavior and comments continue (yet call out people who are trying to fix it, instead of calling out those who partake in it).

Her point about being called a man being good in almost every case (except of course when society says a woman 'looks like a man) and being called a woman is bad in almost every case? True.

Be a man.
Grow some balls.
Man up.
Act like a man.
You're not man enough.


What are you, a pussy?
Little bitch.
Fucking vagina.
Crying like a little girl.
Stupid ****.
God, such a fucking girl.
Stop acting like a god damn woman, be a man!

But hey, crandc pointing out problematic thoughts and comments (even when they aren't as direct as the above, those they carry the same weight and lead those those more severe and direct statements) is the problem. She's being too 'sensitive', of course. Too defensive.
 
crandc said:
You may not mean it thusly, but it's really insulting to call Griner a man playing among women. She is a superstar college woman playing against other college women. She'll be a superstar pro playing among very good pros. It's like, if you're really really good, you have to be "a man".
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OP mentioned that others have called her that, as well as stating that it was controversial.

You could say, without any argument, that the women are better educated; nearly all complete 4 years. A rarity among men.
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Not quite sure how that's relevant to anything being discussed, but nice jab.

Anyway, back on topic. It's just a different game, and Griner is amazing at what she does, but the NBA is an entirely different animal. Think about how many great college players go to the NBA and flounder (Stache, Ed Cota couldn't even make the league). Give her credit for what she is, one of the best women's basketball players ever, but thinking that she'd have a chance to make the NBA is a bit ridiculous for reasons already mentioned (size, strength, etc.).
 
The Sebastian Express said:
Rather telling that you're more upset or irritated by crandc defending women and pointing out problematic statements than you are by those very same problematic and sexist statements.

I would wager, though a guess, she doesn't show up to post very much anymore for the same reason many women don't post on sports boards: It isn't a very welcoming or safe place for women. We get to hear sexist comments all day outside the internet, why come to read them when we just want to talk basketball instead of reading those comments and educating you? Especially since the first ten times education is tried hardly any of the people making problematic/sexist comments stop. Just continues, continues, continues. It is all rather exhausting.

It is the same for most other minorities/marginalized groups. There are so few on sports boards, in particular on ones with very lax rules about how to treat others. Do you think that is because there are just so few, for example, gay sports fans in general? I think there's only three of us that are out here, and two of us don't post very much anymore. It isn't because we don't like talking sports. I think there are only three women here too, and none of us post much anymore either.

It's because people who hateful and hurtful comments are directed towards get tired of other people being more upset that those comments and people are called out and told they're being problematic/sexist/racist/homophobic, rather than you know being upset or offended at the people making those comments, or the comments themselves.

Though the idea of her being 'insecure' about her sex is laughable. If crandc is considered insecure and defensive for trying to make this place more respectful towards women, then I'm terrified what that makes people who sit idly by while sexist behavior and comments continue (yet call out people who are trying to fix it, instead of calling out those who partake in it).

Her point about being called a man being good in almost every case (except of course when society says a woman 'looks like a man) and being called a woman is bad in almost every case? True.

Be a man.
Grow some balls.
Man up.
Act like a man.
You're not man enough.


What are you, a pussy?
Little bitch.
Fucking vagina.
Crying like a little girl.
Stupid ****.
God, such a fucking girl.
Stop acting like a god damn woman, be a man!

But hey, crandc pointing out problematic thoughts and comments (even when they aren't as direct as the above, those they carry the same weight and lead those those more severe and direct statements) is the problem. She's being too 'sensitive', of course. Too defensive.
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I guess I'm not outraged about statements because:

A) I'm tired of people having such sensitive feelings and crying about being PC

B) I don't feel like I represent a group of people that I need to defend every time something is said or a slight is implied. Not politically, no religiously, and certainly not racially.

It doesn't accomplish anything. Do you think you're winning hearts and minds or changing opinions by raging against the machine? Do you think you're doing anything other than annoying people because you're upset that someone, somewhere said that so and so is a man playing among women? Who the fuck cares. Seriously. They are words. If you let words on the internet upset you, you obviously have very thin skin.

But come on.... safe? Really? You don't feel safe here? Are you saying that HCP is going to come to your house and eat your pizza and drink your beer? Nobody hits on you. Nobody threatens you. That statement is pretty ridiculous.

My original statement was made because it never fails to see crand in a thread that somehow reflects on women. It's like clockwork. We are discussing the possibility of a female player being able to play in the NBA, not whether some guy is an asshole for making a statement about that player being similar to a man among women.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
a girl could play in the nba if she was a insane outside shooter, not sure who she would guard though
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In addition she would have to be very tall and have a quick release or she wouldn't even get her shot off. It is amazing to watch in the NBA how close the defenders come to shooters most of the time.

Of course this assumes she gets a pass on defense--although I suspect some of the best in the NBA could do as well as some in NBA on staying in front of their counterpart.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
Rather telling that you're more upset or irritated by crandc defending women and pointing out problematic statements than you are by those very same problematic and sexist statements.

I would wager, though a guess, she doesn't show up to post very much anymore for the same reason many women don't post on sports boards: It isn't a very welcoming or safe place for women. We get to hear sexist comments all day outside the internet, why come to read them when we just want to talk basketball instead of reading those comments and educating you? Especially since the first ten times education is tried hardly any of the people making problematic/sexist comments stop. Just continues, continues, continues. It is all rather exhausting.

It is the same for most other minorities/marginalized groups. There are so few on sports boards, in particular on ones with very lax rules about how to treat others. Do you think that is because there are just so few, for example, gay sports fans in general? I think there's only three of us that are out here, and two of us don't post very much anymore. It isn't because we don't like talking sports. I think there are only three women here too, and none of us post much anymore either.

It's because people who hateful and hurtful comments are directed towards get tired of other people being more upset that those comments and people are called out and told they're being problematic/sexist/racist/homophobic, rather than you know being upset or offended at the people making those comments, or the comments themselves.

Though the idea of her being 'insecure' about her sex is laughable. If crandc is considered insecure and defensive for trying to make this place more respectful towards women, then I'm terrified what that makes people who sit idly by while sexist behavior and comments continue (yet call out people who are trying to fix it, instead of calling out those who partake in it).

Her point about being called a man being good in almost every case (except of course when society says a woman 'looks like a man) and being called a woman is bad in almost every case? True.

Be a man.
Grow some balls.
Man up.
Act like a man.
You're not man enough.


What are you, a pussy?
Little bitch.
Fucking vagina.
Crying like a little girl.
Stupid ****.
God, such a fucking girl.
Stop acting like a god damn woman, be a man!

But hey, crandc pointing out problematic thoughts and comments (even when they aren't as direct as the above, those they carry the same weight and lead those those more severe and direct statements) is the problem. She's being too 'sensitive', of course. Too defensive.
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I find it ironic that somebody who has no problem calling posters "racists" and "white supremacists" would feel the need to play the victim.

Can we please move this thread to OT? Britney Griner has about as much chance of making an impact in the NBA as I do, even if she was born with some extra male chromosomes, as some feminists/lesbians, such the ones in the linked article from CurveMag, have pondered. Read the comments below the article. It seems to have been a real debate among some very smart women.
 
Natebishop3 said:
not whether some guy is an asshole for making a statement about that player being similar to a man among women.
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Actually, if you read the article and comments that I linked from CurveMag, it seems to have been a hot topic among the lesbian community. I doubt crandc cares about their bigotry, though...
 
HCP said:
These type of comparisons are a joke. Chris Johnson can't get his ass off the bench in the NBA....... you put him in the WNBA and he is putting up Wilt Chamberlain type #s. Lock this thread down!
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True! However, she could be a practice squad player and provide other assistance to the team.
 
crandc said:
You may not mean it thusly, but it's really insulting to call Griner a man playing among women. She is a superstar college woman playing against other college women. She'll be a superstar pro playing among very good pros. It's like, if you're really really good, you have to be "a man".

Although she is 6'8", if you look at her, she's strong but quite slender. Look at the men of that height in the NBA and they are much broader through the shoulders and much heavier overall. So she'd have trouble in a game situation not getting pushed around. That is not to say she is an inferior player; but in basketball size and weight does count. A slender light man who was very tall would have trouble as well (think Shawn Bradley). I think a woman could compete in baseball, for example, where short and slender players have done extremely well - think 5'9" Rickey Henderson.

In a game of HORSE, I think the women could compete with the men. A shooting competition without someone who outweighs by 50 lb shoving them.

I will bet she'll have a better pro career than Felton. Or, sadly, Oden. But she still has another year of college eligibility and plans to return for her senior season.

You could say, without any argument, that the women are better educated; nearly all complete 4 years. A rarity among men.
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Uh, Rickey Henderson was slender?
 
Natebishop3 said:
A) I'm tired of people having such sensitive feelings and crying about being PC
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You know what I'm tired of? Suggestions that we up our language and speak more intelligently and civilized that are met with whining and pissing and moaning by the over-sensitive "Everything's PC now" crowd. Anyone asking anyone else to put in a little effort in how they dress their language is met with fierce resistance.

I feel like the "everything is PC now" reply is a little like "Everyone is wearing pants now." Well, yes, we are... it's not daycare anymore.

Grow. Up.
 
She would struggle at Div 2 Men's NCAA level, let alone the NBA
 
BlazerCaravan said:
You know what I'm tired of? Suggestions that we up our language and speak more intelligently and civilized that are met with whining and pissing and moaning by the over-sensitive "Everything's PC now" crowd. Anyone asking anyone else to put in a little effort in how they dress their language is met with fierce resistance.

I feel like the "everything is PC now" reply is a little like "Everyone is wearing pants now." Well, yes, we are... it's not daycare anymore.

Grow. Up.
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But that shouldn't mean we have to treat everyone with padded oven mits. ;o)

There's a certain level of respect humans should show towards one another; however I get where Nate's coming from.
 
She is the best female basketball player I've ever seen. But no, she would not make it in the NBA.
 
She's no Juwanna Mann...

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Seriously, for me this isn't a male/female thing. It's all about the level she's competing at and how it's relative to the NBA. Right now, she has a big advantage in height, strength, athleticism and skills relative to her current competition. She has developed her skill set (low post game) to exploit her physical advantages and dominate the physically overmatched competition.

But, mover her up to the NBA, and she'd be physically overmatched by the taller, stronger more athletic players at that level - the hightest level in the world. Same thing happens to guys at all levels. They dominate in middle school, or high school, or college, but can't make the transition to the next level. A few years ago, when my son was in 8th grade, one of the teams we played had a kid that was 6'8" (and skinny as hell). He totally dominated the paint, because none of his opponents were taller than 6'. The next year, he made varsity as a freshman (because he was the tallest kid on the team), but after a month was demoted to JV becuase he didn't have the strength and athleticism, at 14, to compete against kids that were 17 and 18. The JV squad was a much better fit for him and let him devleop his game without having his confidence destroyed.

Brittney Griner is the best female college basketball player I have seen, but there are also plenty of great college men players who never succeed in the NBA. It's a very elite group of athletes. She has narrowed the gap, but the gap still exists. Hell, the men's game in Europe is light years ahead of where it was just 20 years ago when the original (and only) Dream Team absolutely destroyed the comptition without even breaking a sweat. But, there are still tons of guys who are successful in Europe that would never make it in the NBA. So, no slight to her. She is an amazing athlete, but still not in that very top 1% of the 1% that actually make it to the NBA.

BNM
 
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