Sergio, glad to see him gone

[MARIS61]

Since when does accurately assessing a players flaws == hating?

BNM

Since when do any of your posts about Sergio have anything to do with accuracy?

 

[MARIS61]

I'm sure Sergio is glad he's gone too ...

Since Nate wasn't leaving, I'm sure he is too.

But I bet he'd have loved to stay with these guys if they had a coach who knew how to use their offensive talents. They could have made history.

 

[MIXUM]

Listen, Sergio was the classic player who was waaaaaaaay overrated by the fan base. Fans liked this guy cause he made exciting alley oops. Thats fine if your'e watching the Harlem Globetrotters. The is an NBA team who is trying to win now. Sergio doesnt have the skills to be on a good team. Should we list sergios problems?

1. Cant shoot a consistent jumper. He can work on his shot all he wants for the next 50 summers. Cant shoot.

2. Cant defend. His defense is an absolute joke. Any coach would hate him.... not just nate.


3. Doesnt finish well at rim at all.

4. Cant start for his own country even backing up Rubio. Thats really all you need to know alone.

5. Not much room for growth. Sergio isnt gonna get much better. Maybe a bit but his ceiling is very low.

So i hope this is the last we have to talk about this guy. He looks like a deer in headlights on the court and in interviews. He was really annoying crying all last year when clearly he was lucky to be on an nba roster. So why do we waste our time talking about a guy who is the 3rd stringer for SAC considering SAC is the worst team in the NBA.

I mean its a joke this guy gets any press... ITS SERGIO RODRIQUEZ FOR CHRIST SAKES.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Since when do any of your posts about Sergio have anything to do with accuracy?

All the stats I post come from reliable sources, basketball-reference.com, nba.com and 82games.com. Please provide a SINGLE example of any inaccurate statistics I've ever posted regarding Sergio.

If you are referring to my opinions, I don't see how they could possibly be any more "inaccurate" than your highly biased ones.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

if they had a coach who knew how to use their offensive talents. They could have made history.

They still might. I personally think it takes more than offensive talents to make history - assuming making history includes winning championships. That requires playing defense. Which ensures Sergio will never play a significant role on any team making that kind of history.

Of course, the Kings this season may have a chance to make some history of a more inglorious type.

BNM

 

[Masbee]

Now you guys can focus your hate and lack of understanding of the game on getting rid of Travis.

Yes, very good. Thanks for the reminder. Travis IS now the weakest link of the rotation players.

And no, I don't want to "get rid" of Travis, as in kicking him to the curb or dumping him. I want to trade him for value. I want to replace him in the rotation with a player who can competently backup LaMarcus by rebounding, defending, setting picks, hustling, and being active.

 

[jlprk]

Maybe someone will tell me how to hide a URL behind an underlined word. Sorry for the long link addresses.

I saw a guy that made flashy passes. He wasn't fast, wasn't that quick. He wasn't athletic. He wasn't strong. He couldn't and wouldn't play a lick of defense. He couldn't shoot. He couldn't finish at the rim. In a half-court set, he over-dribbled and pounded the ball for most of the shot-clock. He turned the ball over a lot. Wasn't good at entry passes. etc, etc.

You could say the same about John Stockton. Maybe Westphal is Sergio's Frank Layden, who will mold the system around him like Layden did. Neither player was catch and shoot. Both look like bad shooters until the coach frees them to take 15 foot runners. Then they make them. As for Sergio's turnovers, anyone with even 1 turnover looks bad in McMillan's zeal for control. Sergio's assist to turnover ratio ranked 31st in the league last year, and 3rd on the Blazers. He wasn't bad at turnovers, and would have been better if the system had been geared to receive his passes, as it was for Stockton.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stati...lit=0&season=2009&seasontype=2&avg=48&pos=all

I loved watching Sergio when he was on. I hated watching him when he was not - which unfortunately, was most of the time...He was, bar none - our worst regular rotation guy last year (yes, Frye might have been as bad

Sergio was 5th in efficiency per minute, after Roy, Oden, Przybilla, and Aldridge. Frye was 10th.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketbal...-trail-blazers/team/playerstats/09/25/1-3-eff
(scroll down)

Sergio ranked 4th his rookie year, before Nate toned down his European passing.

http://www.hoopsstats.com/basketbal...-trail-blazers/team/playerstats/07/24/1-3-eff

I wonder if / how this stat would change if garbage time, when nobody plays defense, was taken out.

He started 13 games last year. He was Blake's sub. Bayless was the garbage time player, not Sergio.

4. Cant start for his own country even backing up Rubio. Thats really all you need to know alone.

The Spanish team determines tryout invitations depending upon how much you played for your regular team. When Sergio went to the NBA and got few minutes, it sank his chances.

Stockton was Ricky Green's sub for his first 3 years. Sergio has been in the league 3 years and will eventually start this year after Westphal finishes experimenting. 1000 assists per year, bet on it. You'll thank me.

 

[rocketeer]

Define well. If being the back-up PG on the worst team in the league == doing well, then yeah, he'll be great in that role.

and i'd say it's more likely that he'll be the 3rd string pg on one of the worst teams in the league sitting behind tyreke evans and beno udrih.

 

[Rodolfo]

All the stats I post come from reliable sources, basketball-reference.com, nba.com and 82games.com. Please provide a SINGLE example of any inaccurate statistics I've ever posted regarding Sergio.

If you are referring to my opinions, I don't see how they could possibly be any more "inaccurate" than your highly biased ones.

BNM

This situation reminds of me of ex gf's. When you're in love they can't do anything wrong. Then after the breakup and a little time apart, you realize all of their faults and why you didn't want to be with them for the long haul.

 

[drexlersdad]

Maybe someone will tell me how to hide a URL behind an underlined word. Sorry for the long link addresses.

underlined word/s [backslash URL]

 

[andalusian]

As for Sergio's turnovers, anyone with even 1 turnover looks bad in McMillan's zeal for control. Sergio's assist to turnover ratio ranked 31st in the league last year, and 3rd on the Blazers. He wasn't bad at turnovers, and would have been better if the system had been geared to receive his passes, as it was for Stockton.

This is nonsense. If you look at Sergio's TOV% (% of possessions that ended in a turn-over) - he was 2nd worst in the NBA of all guards that got at least 1000 minutes - the only one worse was Chucky Atkins. Sergio had a turnover% of 24.7 - one out of 4 possessions he had ended in a turn-over - that is just biblical atrociousness. When Jarret Jack had his bad turn-over year before he was traded and everyone was crying how bad he was - his TOV% was 19.9 which is a lot better than 24.7%, Sergio's TOV% last year was 2nd worst on the team (only S-Bo was worse) - and it was hands down the worst of all the regular rotation guys. In comparison - Rudy and his risky moves amounted to only 11% TOV%, Steve Blake - the other PG on the roster was pretty good at 13.6% and Portland's other main ball-handler (Roy) was fantastic at only 9%. Sergio threw away one out of 4 possessions. This is not just bad - this is... yikes...

Sergio was 5th in efficiency per minute, after Roy, Oden, Przybilla, and Aldridge. Frye was 10th.

That's a fantasy basketball formula which does not correlate to usage, possessions and the like. It is pretty useless as a statistical tool. If the Blazers were fielding a fantasy team - Sergio would have been a good player to keep, as a real basketball player, not so much. If you use PER which is a much better tool for player efficiency - you will see that Sergio was 10th on the team last year - of the players that got at least 1000 minutes (regular rotation players) - he was last.

Sergio's PER of 12.5 is lower than "in the rotation = 13" and "Scrounging for minutes = 11" per the general guidelines of that measure. Yikes.

Stockton was Ricky Green's sub for his first 3 years. Sergio has been in the league 3 years and will eventually start this year after Westphal finishes experimenting. 1000 assists per year, bet on it. You'll thank me.

Stockton's PER as a rookie was 13.3 which was higher than Sergio got last year. His 2nd year was 17 (above an average starter level) and his 3rd was 19 - there is just no way to compare the two players - since Stockton was a good scorer - Stockton's career TS% is over 0.6 - while Sergio has never cracked the 0.5 mark...

Am I surprised that the guys using fantasy basketball statistics are Sergio's big supporters? No, I am not. As a real to life NBA basketball player... he was just never good in Portland. Good luck to him elsewhere...

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

Stockton was Ricky Green's sub for his first 3 years. Sergio has been in the league 3 years and will eventually start this year after Westphal finishes experimenting. 1000 assists per year, bet on it. You'll thank me.

So you're assuming he's going to average over 12 assists per game? I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. There is no way Sergio will consistantly (or ever for that matter) record 1000 assists in a season.

 

[Rodolfo]

I missed Sergio coming in to the game. Did he get a standing O?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Since when does accurately assessing a players flaws == hating?

Based on my limited understanding of the game, I place very low value on a player who can't shoot, turns the ball over at an alarming rate and can't/won't play defense.

When that player is a rookie, I am hopeful they will improve and become a more complete, more valuable player. When they still have the EXACT same flaws and shortcomings in their third season, I am less forgiving - especially when they have shown absolutely no improvement in any of those areas.

BNM

sucked in by the Master Baiter, again?

 

[jlprk]

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Thanks. [url=webaddress/link]Here's[\http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2009/03/03/nba_viva_espana_rudy.nba/index.html] a 4-minute video made a week ago about Sergio, through Rudy's eyes.

Hokay, that didn't work. You can copy and paste the link.

 

[Minstrel]

This is nonsense. If you look at Sergio's TOV% (% of possessions that ended in a turn-over) - he was 2nd worst in the NBA of all guards that got at least 1000 minutes - the only one worse was Chucky Atkins. Sergio had a turnover% of 24.7 - one out of 4 possessions he had ended in a turn-over - that is just biblical atrociousness. When Jarret Jack had his bad turn-over year before he was traded and everyone was crying how bad he was - his TOV% was 19.9 which is a lot better than 24.7%, Sergio's TOV% last year was 2nd worst on the team (only S-Bo was worse) - and it was hands down the worst of all the regular rotation guys. In comparison - Rudy and his risky moves amounted to only 11% TOV%, Steve Blake - the other PG on the roster was pretty good at 13.6% and Portland's other main ball-handler (Roy) was fantastic at only 9%. Sergio threw away one out of 4 possessions. This is not just bad - this is... yikes...

It's kind of funny that someone was blaming "Nate's system" for making Rodriguez's turnover numbers look worse than they are. In fact, due to the low pace (and low minutes Sergio played), Sergio's turnover numbers look far better than they actually were. Ultimately, Sergio never got enough possessions to rack up a ton of turnovers...but he was turning the ball over like gangbusters in the possessions he did get.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Sergios line so far:

minutes: 12, FG: 0-5, 3PT: 0-2 assists: 1, turnovers: 3, 0 rebounds, FTs: 4-4


Why oh why did we let such a future HOFer get away?!?!?!?!!!!

 

[blazerboy30]

Sergios line so far:

minutes: 12, FG: 0-5, 3PT: 0-2 assists: 1, turnovers: 3, 0 rebounds, FTs: 4-4


Why oh why did we let such a future HOFer get away?!?!?!?!!!!

It's Nate's fault.

 

[MARIS61]

If you are referring to my opinions, I don't see how they could possibly be any more "inaccurate" than your highly biased ones.

BNM

Of course you don't, because you don't understand the game. You think it is statistics, but it's not.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Of course you don't, because you don't understand the game. You think it is statistics, but it's not.

Nope, I watch the games and I know crap when I see it. Like tonight, for example. I just got back from the game and haven't seen a boxscore, yet, but I can tell you this much - Sergio continues to flat out suck. He turned the ball over several times, couldn't make a shot to save his life and was schooled by Miller (especially) and Blake.

Different uniform, same player. Anybody who thinks Sergio is suddenly going to become "good" playing in Westphal's system is delusional. If anything, I expect he'll turn the ball over more, shoot just as bad (but more) and abandon all pretense of pretending to attempt to guard someone.

If it makes you feel better, I did clap for him when he entered the game and didn't boo him once. It was an amicable parting of ways as far as I'm concerned. He's glad he's gone, and so am I. Win:win.

BNM

 

[MIXUM]

THANK YOU BOOB-NO-MORE!!!!!!!

Maris was trying to argue nobody saw the game lol. You are 100% correct. Sergio was horrible. You could look at the box score and know that. Sergio is complete garbage. I really cant understand why people in this forum still think the guy will ever be anything in this league. SERGIO SUCKS! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

THANK YOU BOOB-NO-MORE!!!!!!!

Maris was trying to argue nobody saw the game lol. You are 100% correct. Sergio was horrible. You could look at the box score and know that. Sergio is complete garbage. I really cant understand why people in this forum still think the guy will ever be anything in this league. SERGIO SUCKS! WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Sergio won't be in the league three years from today.

He'll be playing in Europe.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You could say the same about John Stockton. Maybe Westphal is Sergio's Frank Layden, who will mold the system around him like Layden did. Neither player was catch and shoot. Both look like bad shooters until the coach frees them to take 15 foot runners. Then they make them. As for Sergio's turnovers, anyone with even 1 turnover looks bad in McMillan's zeal for control. Sergio's assist to turnover ratio ranked 31st in the league last year, and 3rd on the Blazers. He wasn't bad at turnovers, and would have been better if the system had been geared to receive his passes, as it was for Stockton.

What utter nonsense. Comparing Sergio to Stockton is beyond laughable. You might as well compare Channing Frye to Wilt Chamberlain.

Stockton's rookie year he had an AS/TO ratio of of 2.8:1. By his third season he was at 4.1:1. Notice the improvement?

Sergio's rookie AST/TO ratio was 2.8:1. By his third season he was at 2.4:1. Notice the lack of improvement?

After 3 years in the league, John Stockton had totaled 1695 assists. After 3 years in the league, Sergio has a total of 628 assists - over 1000 less than Stockton.

AST/36 minutes for their 1st three seasons:

Stockton:
10.0
11.3
13.0

Notice the improvement?

Sergio:
9.1
7.4
8.3

Notice the lack of improvement.

Forget the 15-foot runners. Sergio can't make a lay-up.

True Shooting Percentage (TS%) for their first three seasons:

Stockton:
0.548
0.566
0.575

Notice the improvement?

Sergio:
0.493
0.423
0.491

Notice the lack of improvement?

Stockton started out as a much better shooter than Sergio - and go better.

Stockton was Ricky Green's sub for his first 3 years. Sergio has been in the league 3 years and will eventually start this year after Westphal finishes experimenting. 1000 assists per year, bet on it. You'll thank me.

Stockton was up to an amazing 0.645 TS% by his 4th season. He also led the league in assists in his 4th season with 13.8 APG. His AST/36 was 14.3. He had 1128 total assists and an AST/TO of 4.3:1 and a PER of 23.2

Tell you what. You want to bet? How about this, Sergio won't come close to 1000 assists per year this year (or any year). I bet he won't even have half that this season. And if I'm right, will you (both of you) finally admit that Sergio just isn't very good?

BNM

 

[jlprk]

If you look at Sergio's TOV% (% of possessions that ended in a turn-over) - he was 2nd worst in the NBA of all guards that got at least 1000 minutes - the only one worse was Chucky Atkins. Sergio had a turnover% of 24.7 - one out of 4 possessions he had ended in a turn-over

Stockton's PER as a rookie was 13.3 which was higher than Sergio got last year. His 2nd year was 17 (above an average starter level) and his 3rd was 19 - there is just no way to compare the two players - since Stockton was a good scorer - Stockton's career TS% is over 0.6 - while Sergio has never cracked the 0.5 mark...

Last season Sergio averaged 4.7 turnovers per 48 minutes. Steve Nash had 4.8. You can say that the Suns had more possessions per game than the Blazers, but it still shows that getting a lot of turnovers doesn't disqualify you from being a great guard, if you get the assists to offset that. That's why I talked about the A/TO ratio, and you want to talk only about the TO/possession ratio.

You gave no link, so I had to look your stat up. I see the other players on the list all have far more than Sergio's 15 minutes a game (see link below). He's in a system not geared toward his passes, while the others on the list start, so their teammates look for their passes, or else get benched for turnovers when they don't catch passes. That's the plight of the substitute. If he were a starter, his TO per minute or per possession would decrease. Check out how Sergio is matched up against starters on the list. He's at 4.7, which is bad, but I just gave the reasons for 1) the cause and 2) TO/possessions or per minute is less important than A/TO, at which he's good.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/stati...=true&season=2009&seasontype=2&avg=48&pos=all

Stockton's rookie year he had an AS/TO ratio of of 2.8:1. By his third season he was at 4.1:1. Notice the improvement?
Sergio's rookie AST/TO ratio was 2.8:1. By his third season he was at 2.4:1. Notice the lack of improvement?...
AST/36 minutes for their 1st three seasons:
Stockton:
10.0
11.3
13.0
Notice the improvement?
Sergio:
9.1
7.4
8.3
Notice the lack of improvement...
True Shooting Percentage (TS%) for their first three seasons:
Stockton:
0.548
0.566
0.575
Notice the improvement?
Sergio:
0.493
0.423
0.491
Notice the lack of improvement?

Thanks for proving my point. As you demonstrate, Sergio started out well, but failed to improve. As I said earlier, if he had a coach molding the system around him like Frank Layden did for Stockton, Sergio's numbers would go up. (It's not hard--just write Xs and Os for players to get into position to receive and use the passes.) McMillan's odd system of abolishing the fast break due to risk of a turnover is what limited Sergio. It's also why McMillan will never win a championship. He doesn't even have a defense against the fast break (that's why Cleveland and Boston demolished us last year).

 

[jlprk]

Tonight's box score claims that Sergio shot 1-6, if you believe these events during 1 minute of the 4th quarter, when no one was carefully inspecting the play by play.

8:51 Sergio Rodriguez misses a 3-point jump shot from 31 feet out. 64-77
9:00 Rudy Fernandez misses a 3-point jump shot from 27 feet out. 64-77
9:16 Sergio Rodriguez misses a 3-point jump shot from 32 feet out. 64-77
9:42 Travis Outlaw makes a 3-point jump shot from 31 feet out. Steve Blake with the assist. 64-77

http://scoreboards.aol.com/nba/pbp.asp?gamecode=2009100622&home=22&vis=23

It appears that Sergio shot 1-4 and the box score has been jimmied. Probably by a friend of Bayless. Probably those were really Bayless shots.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I was at the game and that play by play is correct. Sergio missed two three pointers in less than a minute.

 

[Minstrel]

It appears that Sergio shot 1-4 and the box score has been jimmied. Probably by a friend of Bayless.

I'm sure you're onto something there. Rodriguez is an amazing talent, but he has powerful enemies. It's much too dangerous to the world for people (other than you and MARIS) to realize how good Rodriguez is. Thus, a dark and worldwide (the Spanish national team is on it, too) conspiracy to keep the guy down.

Probably those were really Bayless shots.

Obviously. There was a new rule instituted for this game that a member of the opposing team can take shots for your team. But only if those shots are missed and blamed on Rodriguez.

Please avoid re-stating information that has been posted and discussed in numerous threads, like that rule change.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Last season Sergio averaged 4.7 turnovers per 48 minutes. Steve Nash had 4.8. You can say that the Suns had more possessions per game than the Blazers, but it still shows that getting a lot of turnovers doesn't disqualify you from being a great guard, if you get the assists to offset that.

Oh, so now we've gone from comparing Sergio to Hall of Famer John Stockton to future Hall of Famer Steve Nash. Nice to see you've lowered your expectations a little. Seriously, the Sergio/Nash comparison is every bit as ridiculous as the Stockton/Sergio comparison.

And if you also contribute to your team's success in some other way - like the ability to make a lay-up or wide open jump shot.

Let's see. Steve Nash, on the downside of his career, averaged:

22.4 PTS/48
13.9 AST/48
4.8 TOV/48
0.503 FG%
0.439 3FG%
0.933 FT%
PER = 19.5 (his lowest in nine years)

That makes his AST/TO ratio 2.8:1 - and he's also a valuable scorer with very high shooting percentages from all distances.

The up-and-coming Sergio averaged:

14.0 PTS/48
11.2 AST/48
4.7 TOV/48
0.392 FG%
0.325 3FG%
0.792 FT%
PER = 12.5

That makes his AST/TO ratio 2.4:1 and he's a horrible shooter - more than 10% lower than Nash from all distances.

That's why I talked about the A/TO ratio, and you want to talk only about the TO/possession ratio.

Liar. I never mentioned TOV% or TO/possession ratio anywhere in my post.

You gave no link, so I had to look your stat up. I see the other players on the list all have far more than Sergio's 15 minutes a game (see link below). He's in a system not geared toward his passes, while the others on the list start, so their teammates look for their passes, or else get benched for turnovers when they don't catch passes. That's the plight of the substitute. If he were a starter, his TO per minute or per possession would decrease. Check out how Sergio is matched up against starters on the list. He's at 4.7, which is bad, but I just gave the reasons for 1) the cause and 2) TO/possessions or per minute is less important than A/TO, at which he's good.

You didn't give reasons, you invented excuses for Sergio's exceptionally poor stats. What's next, coming off the bench prevents him from making a lay-up or a wide open jump shot?

And, you just disproved your own point. Stockton came off the bench his first three seasons, yet his stats were FAR better than Sergio's - and improved every year. He actually made shots, increased his assists and decreased his turnovers - all while coming off the bench.

I only registered to join the predictions game, so this is my last post, except for my predictions, unless you provoke me further.

Liar. You only registered here to be a sock puppet for Maris - just like in the old ESPN days.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

It's much too dangerous to the world for people (other than you, MARIS) to realize how good Rodriguez is.

There, fixed i for you.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

I was at the game and that play by play is correct. Sergio missed two three pointers in less than a minute.

Well Joel, you proved my point. I said it was "probably a friend of Bayless" who jimmied the play by play. Better use a different screen name next time.