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People here tend to focus on too much what the players can't do rather than what they can do, and it's annoying. It's like you guys think this team won 50 games back to back because they got lucky or something with the way you guys pick apart the players.

The issue is that he's eating up a huge amount of cap space and bring an extremely limited skill set to the table. He's getting paid like a 20/10 at the very least, but not bring the production that you expect from the paycheck.
 
The issue is that he's eating up a huge amount of cap space and bring an extremely limited skill set to the table. He's getting paid like a 20/10 at the very least, but not bring the production that you expect from the paycheck.

Aldridge wasn't paid as a 20/10 guy this season. He was a bargain this season. His extension takes effect next season.
 
The issue is that he's eating up a huge amount of cap space and bring an extremely limited skill set to the table. He's getting paid like a 20/10 at the very least, but not bring the production that you expect from the paycheck.

Well right now he's only making less than $6M a year, so he's more than fine right now.

Next year he'll bump up to almost $11M, which again is not really bad at all when you know you'll get at least 18/8 out of him.

He's not going to be making more than $12M until the start of the 2012-2013 season, which is when he'll be hitting his prime. Then his pay just goes up from there.

If he doesn't improve before his pay really starts to go up, we'll have a problem. But for the next couple seasons he'll be making about what he's worth, give or take a $1M either way, and he'll be entering his prime when his contract starts to really increase, so the thought is he'll be better by then and thus worth his pay. When you look at other contracts around the league Aldridge's really isn't that bad. Maybe not the best, but it's not terrible, either. I mean, Rashard Lewis is going to make $20M next year, $22M the year after that, and $23M the year after that. That's horrendous.
 
I mean, Rashard Lewis is going to make $20M next year, $22M the year after that, and $23M the year after that. That's horrendous.

Rashard Lewis had a 14 PER this season and made almost $19 million. Aldridge has been over 17 in PER for every year of his rookie contract, with 18+ after his first season. Sometimes, you just have to laugh at Blazer fans on this board. We mean well, but it's like sifting through hills of gravel to find a flake of gold in terms of posts that actually makes sense in terms of logic and reality.
 
Here are scouting reports on LMA since college, for the most part the player he was then is the player he is now. Lots of ability, great in some areas, lacking in many areas. Has never been tough consistently. Has never liked banging. I think some of this can be atributed to Maurice Lucas being gone for the last two years. Luke doesn't need to be replaced but the Blazers need to hire a quality big man coach.

NCAA Tournament: NBA Draft Stock Watch (Sweet Sixteen, Thursday games)
March 24, 2006


Aldridge started the game by asserting his position in the paint and making a beautiful pass to an open PJ Tucker for the layup. He continued by putting on a mid-range shooting clinic, making a variety of impressive jump shots from about 15 feet out both on the move or from static positions. Some of these shots were off balance turnarounds where Aldridge just sensed where the defense was and turned and shot the other way.


NCAA Tournament: NBA Draft Stock Watch (Elite Eight, Saturday Games)
March 26, 2006



For the second time in the NCAA tournament, Aldridge followed a dominant performance with a no-show, playing very tentatively against the much bigger Glen Davis and the super-athletic Tyrus Thomas. Aldridge proved that he will need to continue to add bulk to his frame, as Davis took him out of position with his width and strength the entire game. His shot wasn’t falling either, and rather than attacking the basket to try and draw contact, he settled for fadeways and turnaround jumpers throughout the entire game.

DraftExpress All-Summer League: First Team
July 23, 2007


At times Aldridge has a tendency to settle for nonsense—difficult shots from tough angles with a defender draped all over him. His feel for knowing what he can and can’t do will have to improve as he continues to mature and gain experience. He still has a tendency to avoid contact at times and not finish all that strong, but to his credit, this looked like much less of an issue than it was when he was in college a year ago.



NBA Scouting Reports: LaMarcus Aldridge
September 4, 2009


Overview: One of the NBA’s most gifted young big men. A near 7-footer with a near 7-5 wingspan. Not just tall, but relatively well built too. Has added some bulk to his frame since appearing on the NBA radar. Shows good mobility, but is more smooth than explosive as an athlete. Long strides make him a factor in transition... Lacks a certain degree of toughness, which manifests itself on the defensive end primarily at times.

Offense: Exceptionally talented big man who maintains an outstanding level of efficiency across the board. Gets almost half of his possessions in one-on-one situations, whether they come in the high or low-post. Also sees a significant number of touches in spot situations, off of pick and rolls, and working without the ball.

Very capable ball handler for a near 7-footer. Almost never turns the ball over in relation to most players near his high usage level. Doesn’t get to the line at a very high rate for his skill level, since he makes most of his moves going away from his defender.

Runs the court well and uses his mobility very well on the pick and pop. Seldom rolls to the basket after setting a screen.

Defense: Capable defender who gives an effort if nothing else. Displays the anticipation to use his length to come up with some steals and block some shots. Not a standout in either area, but is a threat to make some plays. Blocks most of his shots on the ball, though one of his biggest weaknesses revolves around his lack of tenacity when defending the ball one-on-one around the basket.

Will let himself get beaten with aggressive drop steps and allows himself to get pushed around more than he should.

Doesn’t use leverage terribly well. Not a bad defender, but his lack of great energy coupled with some issues with his fundamentals limit him.

Has some problems committing to hedging screens, not showing a great sense of urgency recovering to his man and giving up some open looks that he’s often still able to get a hand up on by using his length.

Does a decent job defending penetration in that he takes away the lane, but tends to be content with defending his matchup from the side when they look to attack the rim, instead of beating him to the spot.

Doesn’t prove to be a very good defensive rebounder.

Is also caused by a lack of aggressiveness when boxing out.

Overall, Aldridge plays a position based brand of defense that doesn’t sell out his teammates, but he’s capable of being more active in the midrange and tougher on the block.
 
The whole reason Lamarcus (and the team) has been struggling is because he does not understand that catching the ball that far out is hurting the teams spacing. It doesn't do any good if you catch the ball 2 feet from your 3 point shooters. Not only do you bring your guy over to crowd the situation, but you bring the perimeter players defender over to you, making it easier to double team you. Lamarcus would be ok if we had a deep post threat for him to work off of, but the facts are, we don't right now.
 
The whole reason Lamarcus (and the team) has been struggling is because he does not understand that catching the ball that far out is hurting the teams spacing. It doesn't do any good if you catch the ball 2 feet from your 3 point shooters.

You're complaining that Lamarcus catches the ball? I mean I kind of get what you're saying but come on, shouldn't some blame go to the person who threw the ball? Spacing on offense is one thing but I would think a turnover is a lot worse than LMA catching the ball.
 
Lots of neat Wizard of Oz posts, but I still maintain that LA does get post position. Watch Game 4 again.

Not in game 6. On more than one play he literally had a foot one the 3 point line, took two power dribbles and launched a long contested shot - and missed.
 
I think that's just not something within his skillset. It's often talked about with players as though it's merely a "desire" thing...tall players who don't play in the post just don't want to or are scared of the contact. I think it's like anything else...it requires certain skills and talents, not just size. Some big players don't have those skills and talents. Just as some guards don't have ball-handling skills or passing skills.

Aldridge's skillset is more high-post oriented. If Oden remains healthy and is an effective low-post presence, Aldridge being a high post type of player will be a boon. If Oden doesn't stay healthy and effective, then the team will need to keep looking for a player who can give them that.
In short, Aldridge is the second coming of Rasheed Wallace.

It's a pity.
 
In short, Aldridge is the second coming of Rasheed Wallace.

It's a pity.

Why? it's like saying, "It's a pity Roy is the second coming of Drexler and not Jordan." He is what he is. Wallace was a very good player for Portland, even if some here hated his personality. Aldridge is also a very good player, just not a star.

Aldridge's skillset will actually be more valuable when/if Oden is healthy. A high post big man is quite valuable. It's just problematic not to have any low post presence.
 
Why? it's like saying, "It's a pity Roy is the second coming of Drexler and not Jordan." He is what he is. Wallace was a very good player for Portland, even if some here hated his personality. Aldridge is also a very good player, just not a star.

Aldridge's skillset will actually be more valuable when/if Oden is healthy. A high post big man is quite valuable. It's just problematic not to have any low post presence.

Quite right. I do have one worry with LMA, he's really not much of a passer. Will he be able to effectively run a high-low with Oden (or whomever?) without that ability being even average? I guess we'll see.
 
Quite right. I do have one worry with LMA, he's really not much of a passer. Will he be able to effectively run a high-low with Oden (or whomever?) without that ability being even average? I guess we'll see.

Actually, I partially disagree with you. I think Aldridge is actually a pretty deft passer for a big man. He just struggles with passing out of double-teams. That's one big reason why he can't be a "number one option." If you put Roy and Oden out there with him, he's not going to be drawing any double-teams. I think in those cases, he's pretty good at finding cutters and open perimeter shooters.
 
It's coaching. Nate coached forwards the same way in Seattle. He's not coaching Aldridge this way because Aldridge can't do it. He's coaching him this way because Nate can't do it.

As I keep saying, I can't understand why Pritchard won't bring in a big man coach. People answer, how could he be better than the assistants we have. Answer: Look at Aldridge's deficiencies for a start. Look at how Oden has no offensive moves.

We have a big man coach; he's battling for his life.
 
You're complaining that Lamarcus catches the ball? I mean I kind of get what you're saying but come on, shouldn't some blame go to the person who threw the ball? Spacing on offense is one thing but I would think a turnover is a lot worse than LMA catching the ball.

Try reading the post again. It's about positioning. Not catching the ball or turnovers.
 
Actually, I partially disagree with you. I think Aldridge is actually a pretty deft passer for a big man. He just struggles with passing out of double-teams. That's one big reason why he can't be a "number one option." If you put Roy and Oden out there with him, he's not going to be drawing any double-teams. I think in those cases, he's pretty good at finding cutters and open perimeter shooters.


And again, the reason he has trouble passing out of a double team is because of the spacing and where he catches the ball. Throwing passes is hard when players are all bunched up together. When you catch the ball 2 to 3 feet from your perimeter player, now you have 4 guys all packed in a short distance from each other. This isn't rocket science folks.
 
Aldridge is decent at kick out passing, but not at high post passing like Camby.
 
We have a big man coach; he's battling for his life.

So our big men have lost 2 years of coaching due to loyalty to Mo. Was it worth it?

The usual answer here is to praise our other assistants. I answered that. "Look at Aldridge's deficiencies for a start. Look at how Oden has no offensive moves."
 
We have a big man coach; he's battling for his life.

I love Luke and man am I ever pulling for him, but this team has got to be able to get at least an interim replacement in the meantime and apparently that hasn't happened.
 
Try reading the post again. It's about positioning. Not catching the ball or turnovers.

I'll admit there was a bit of sarcasm in my reply to you but you're missing the point, if LMA is so far out of position why are we throwing him the ball? You're saying that the problem starts at the moment LMA catches the ball and I'm just pointing out that maybe it starts when someone decides to throw him the ball when as you say he's already out of position.
 
I'll admit there was a bit of sarcasm in my reply to you but you're missing the point, if LMA is so far out of position why are we throwing him the ball? You're saying that the problem starts at the moment LMA catches the ball and I'm just pointing out that maybe it starts when someone decides to throw him the ball when as you say he's already out of position.

And you don't blame Aldridge for getting that shitty position in the first place? Come on.
 
Why? Because Aldridge could be so much more. He has a huge amount of talent, and if he applied around the basket instead of out on the perimeter, he could be a deadly inside force for the Blazers. Imagine what kind of team we could have if Aldridge played only in the paint, and made people foul him! He'd go to the line all day long, and eventually foul out the other team's big men. And even when he missed his shot, he'd have a much better chance of grabbing the rebound. With his height and his long extension, he'd be almost impossible to stop around the hoop.

Bud, sadly, he'd rather hang out on the perimeter and loft up fade-away jump shots. That's why he's just another Rasheed Wallace, another player who wasted a lot of his talent.
 
Why? Because Aldridge could be so much more. He has a huge amount of talent, and if he applied around the basket instead of out on the perimeter, he could be a deadly inside force for the Blazers.

You always assume players have the talents you want them to have and are just being assholes who don't want to use those talents. I find that a little silly. The idea that Aldridge has awesome low-post talents but just doesn't care enough (or is too frightened) to use those skills/talents is as valid, IMO, as the belief that Rasheed Wallace was just as talented as Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan but didn't care enough to be as good as them. He wasn't as talented as Duncan or Garnett. Aldridge likely doesn't have great low post skills/talent.

You're trying to turn your own frustrations with lack of talent into something you can feel justified about attacking. You can't attack someone for a lack of talent, since no one can control personal talent level, but it's easy to attack someone for lack of effort. So assume they're incredibly talented and totally lacking in effort. Standard rhetorical trick.
 
You always assume players have the talents you want them to have and are just being assholes who don't want to use those talents. I find that a little silly. The idea that Aldridge has awesome low-post talents but just doesn't care enough (or is too frightened) to use those skills/talents is as valid, IMO, as the belief that Rasheed Wallace was just as talented as Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan but didn't care enough to be as good as them. He wasn't as talented as Duncan or Garnett. Aldridge likely doesn't have great low post skills/talent.

You're trying to turn your own frustrations with lack of talent into something you can feel justified about attacking. You can't attack someone for a lack of talent, since no one can control personal talent level, but it's easy to attack someone for lack of effort. So assume they're incredibly talented and totally lacking in effort. Standard rhetorical trick.

I think the biggest issue with LMA's public perception is that presents such laid back vibe and he's not exactly what I would call a 'high motor' player. However, I agree with you that his issue is more to do with lack of skill/talent/fundamentals and not a lack of heart, but I can also see why people would call him out for being soft or otherwise lacking desire because of the way he carries himself on the court.
 
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I think the biggest issue with LMA's public perception is that presents such laid back vibe and he's not exactly what I would call a 'high motor' player. However, I agree with you that I his issue is more to do with lack of skill/talent/fundamentals and not a lack of heart, but I can also see why people would call him out for being soft or otherwise lacking desire because of the way he carries himself on the court.

His on-court carriage reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan, actually. What doesn't remind me of Duncan, about Aldridge, is that Duncan has amazing post moves and is a great passer out of the low-post. I guess if Duncan didn't have those skills, but was otherwise the same guy, people would accuse him of being soft or lacking heart also.

I guess if you're a big man without a low-post game, you'd better have a fiery demeanor to prove you care? ;)
 
His on-court carriage reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan, actually. What doesn't remind me of Duncan, about Aldridge, is that Duncan has amazing post moves and is a great passer out of the low-post. I guess if Duncan didn't have those skills, but was otherwise the same guy, people would accuse him of being soft or lacking heart also.

I guess if you're a big man without a low-post game, you'd better have a fiery demeanor to prove you care? ;)

Pretty much. Whether that's fair or not.
 
His on-court carriage reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan, actually.
The big difference, as I see it, is Duncan stays into the game when he's not in the game. LMA is often seen laughing and having a good time on the bench, not paying much attention to what's going on out on the floor. That would be fine if he refocused when it comes time to re-enter the game, but it often seems to coincide with those flat spots he routinely suffers. In any sport, the difference between the good athletes and the best athletes usually is not measurable by any significant talent or technique differences. It just comes down to focus.
 
The big difference, as I see it, is Duncan stays into the game when he's not in the game. LMA is often seen laughing and having a good time on the bench, not paying much attention to what's going on out on the floor. That would be fine if he refocused when it comes time to re-enter the game, but it often seems to coincide with those flat spots he routinely suffers. In any sport, the difference between the good athletes and the best athletes usually is not measurable by any significant talent or technique differences. It just comes down to focus.

Tim Duncan was once kicked out of a game for laughing on the bench.

Minstrel ... it's a fact!!

[video=youtube;Lu1Wz5JQEz8]
 
You always assume players have the talents you want them to have and are just being assholes who don't want to use those talents. I find that a little silly. The idea that Aldridge has awesome low-post talents but just doesn't care enough (or is too frightened) to use those skills/talents is as valid, IMO, as the belief that Rasheed Wallace was just as talented as Kevin Garnett and Tim Duncan but didn't care enough to be as good as them. He wasn't as talented as Duncan or Garnett. Aldridge likely doesn't have great low post skills/talent.

You're trying to turn your own frustrations with lack of talent into something you can feel justified about attacking. You can't attack someone for a lack of talent, since no one can control personal talent level, but it's easy to attack someone for lack of effort. So assume they're incredibly talented and totally lacking in effort. Standard rhetorical trick.

This, and I'll add that the Blazers didn't hold these fantasies about LA becoming a beast underneath, since they drafted Greg Oden over Kevin Durant to be a beast underneath the basket.
 
The big difference, as I see it, is Duncan stays into the game when he's not in the game. LMA is often seen laughing and having a good time on the bench, not paying much attention to what's going on out on the floor.

I've often seen Duncan laughing on the bench, not just the incident BGrantFan video referenced. There are three indelible images I have of Duncan's "manner": stoic indifference, laughing with teammates on the bench, and incredulous looks at the referee.

It may well be that Duncan is more focused than Aldridge. Amazing focus is a hallmark of the greatest performers and, IMO, a part of talent. But I don't think their relative manners show that focus.
 

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