serious potential scenarios

[blazedanugz]

everyone has been throwing out ideas in various threads about what to do..so i thought i would make a thread.

what should we do to fix this season right now? trade felton? cut him? sign brooks? rebuild? retool? let it fly

 

[Nikolokolus]

everyone has been throwing out ideas in various threads about what to do..so i thought i would make a thread.

what should we do to fix this season right now? trade felton? cut him? sign brooks? rebuild? retool? let it fly

Fixing this season shouldn't be the goal. It's time for management (or just Paul?) to wake the hell up and realize that there is no "win now" scenario that is all that viable. If he can embrace this paradigm it might lead him to actually go out and get a GM and empower that person to get busy. Sadly, there's not much in Allen's track record to suggest that he's about to suddenly start making really shrewd basketball decisions.

 

[HailBlazers]

Establish and Execute an Offense.

Our Defense is Great, just need to figure out our 4th quarter execution and we can beat anyone in West.

 

[blue32]

Remove Felton and McMillian from this team. Hire a real GM. Institute real moving offense. Continue to start Batum. Play EWill more.

 

[KingSpeed]

Steve Nash. Give up anyone but LaMarcus.

 

[THE HCP]

It's so easy to say "Get rid if Nate!" who the fuck you gonna bring in? It's the players, NOT Nate!

 

[Natebishop3]

Steve Nash. Give up anyone but LaMarcus.

That is not a serious potential scenario.

 

[blue32]

It's so easy to say "Get rid if Nate!" who the fuck you gonna bring in? It's the players, NOT Nate!

I call bullshit. If it's that easy to blame the players, then we've had 5 years of bad players..... just coincidence?

Nate McMillian will never get the Blazers out of the first round of the playoffs. This is because his offense stinks, and his sub patterns are so stubborn/rigid that the opposing coach can easily guess his moves.

 

[RR7]

most coaches go with fairly standard substitution patterns through the first 3ish quarters of the game.

 

[Minstrel]

Fixing this season shouldn't be the goal. It's time for management (or just Paul?) to wake the hell up and realize that there is no "win now" scenario that is all that viable. If he can embrace this paradigm it might lead him to actually go out and get a GM and empower that person to get busy.

I agree with the post quoted above.

 

[blue32]

most coaches go with fairly standard substitution patterns through the first 3ish quarters of the game.

You bet, however, Nate even does this when people like [batum] are on fire, or [felton] is playing shit.

SO what I am saying is, it doesnt matter how good a player is playing often times with nate, he sticks to his sub pattern all the time. If i was an opposing coach i'd have a field day with prepping my guys on what to expect.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

go back in time and trade rudy for monta ellis, draft chris paul, and draft faried and draft dejuan blair and paul milsap and durant and miguel jordan, michaels mexican doppelganger....and have paul allen pay blake griffin and his twin brother 1 billion dollars to change places, and sign blake for the league min

cp3
monta
durant
blake
and miguel jordon at the 5, he is like 8'6"

seriously

 

[Nikolokolus]

Establish and Execute an Offense.

Our Defense is Great, just need to figure out our 4th quarter execution and we can beat anyone in West.

After 31 games how do you suggest they "figure it out?" And really do you honestly believe that this is a "figure it out" problem and not just a "lack of talent" problem?

 

[OneSport3]

It's so easy to say "Get rid if Nate!" who the fuck you gonna bring in? It's the players, NOT Nate!

How can you blame the players when guys like Brandon Roy, Steve Blake, Andre Miller, Travis Outlaw, Martell Webster, Jerryd Bayless, Joel Przybilla, etc. aren't here anymore yet we still run piss poor isolation offense? Players have come and gone yet the only remaining consistent factor is Nate McMillan.

So when Jamal Crawford is running 5 ISOs in a row in the 4th quarter its Crawford that is dictating the strategy? Even if it was Crawford deciding to run the ISOs its Nate's job as a coach to recognize that and come up with an offense that works. Instead he calls a timeout and the play out of the timeout is another Crawford ISO.

The most tired excuse of firing Nate is, "who are you going to bring in?" Well, there is a reason its called a coaching SEARCH. You go find new talent like Chicago did with Thibs, New Orleans with Monty and Indiana with Frank Vogel. There is no rule that says you have to hire head coach retreads. Even if you did go the retread route, Rick Adelman and Kevin McHale were available in the offseason. They have Minnesota and Houston playing well with arguably equal to or less talent than our roster.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Nate's kind of like a guitarist who only knows how to play a couple of chords (the basketball equivalent of Smoke on the Water and and Layla). He's not the most imaginative coach in the world, but when he's got a certain kind of player (Ray Allen or Brandon Roy) he can make it work (at least in the regular season ... when it really counts). Unfortunately, he's been handed possibly the worst starting backcourt this team has seen since Bassy and Jaun Dixon were headlining (and to be honest those two might have been an upgrade?). So there's a certain amount of responsibility for Nate for failing to know how to be more creative, but this team by far has more of a talent problem than a "system" problem.

 

[RR7]

I think Nate, to an extent, tried to be more creative, knowing he didn't have "his players" by pushing the tempo this year. Again, like you said, the backcourt has just been awful, and that has killed the creativity aspect of it. But, he did show, when losing out on the ability to run his game plan that he prefers, he was flexible in changing it, or trying to.

 

[magnifier661]

Nate after a time out.

"Come on guys! We need to hustle, rebound and have motion on the offense! We need to make the other team guess on the defensive end. Okay so here's the plan. Top of the key, give it to Crawford. Everyone needs to put themselves on the 3 point line and clear out. After we miss, we need to get back on the defensive end, then keep running those ISOs. Clips won't think we will run it again, so we keep them guessing!"

 

[magnifier661]

Nate after a time out.

"Come on guys! We need to hustle, rebound and have motion on the offense! We need to make the other team guess on the defensive end. Okay so here's the plan. Top of the key, give it to Crawford. Everyone needs to put themselves on the 3 point line and clear out. After we miss, we need to get back on the defensive end, then keep running those ISOs. Clips won't think we will run it again, so we keep them guessing!"

 

[RR7]

not trying to defend nate's creativity at the end of the game. but the Clippers made a huge effort to keep batum from hurting them. There were pretty poor picks set to try to get nic open, and a poor effort to run defenders off of those poor picks. If the primary options on a play fail because of poor execution, often times a play falls to an iso. when our guards leave before the pick is set, and th eguy setting the pick gives a half assed effort in setting the pick to begin with, the top pick an droll at the end isn't as effective as it could be with a good pick, and a good use of the pick.

 

[HailBlazers]

Fixing this season shouldn't be the goal. It's time for management (or just Paul?) to wake the hell up and realize that there is no "win now" scenario that is all that viable. If he can embrace this paradigm it might lead him to actually go out and get a GM and empower that person to get busy.

I agree with the post quoted above.

How do you guys propose we go about "waking up" the Accidental Zillionaire? Not likely, so until he sells the team we are stuck in a "win now" scenario. OR Perhaps he already has waken up and is waiting to give Steve Kerr the reigns after the season... Naaa

After 31 games how do you suggest they "figure it out?" And really do you honestly believe that this is a "figure it out" problem and not just a "lack of talent" problem?

It's been a "figure it out" problem through the last 300 hundred games. Loved Brandon Roy, but absolutely hated what he did to the TEAM. He masked all our offensive problems and relieved Nate of ever having to address his lack of offense. Nate is finally forced to create an offense that works for the whole Team. Since I'm a homer I'll give him the benefit of the doubt he can figure it out by playoff time.

So there's a certain amount of responsibility for Nate for failing to know how to be more creative, but this team by far has more of a talent problem than a "system" problem.

Offensively you're right, but the defense of this team is Legit. Glass half full if we can establish any reliable offense at all, all those close games will be W's

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If the Blazer team plane were to happen to crash with everyone being killed on board the Blazers would be given the first pick in the draft for the next 3 years.

Now if we could arrange for LMA to be home with an injury when this happened we might be on to something.

 

[RR7]

we'd just fuck up those picks, Sly. Injured big man, injured big man, injured big man. 2012, 13, 14.

 

[Nikolokolus]

How do you guys propose we go about "waking up" the Accidental Zillionaire? Not likely, so until he sells the team we are stuck in a "win now" scenario. OR Perhaps he already has waken up and is waiting to give Steve Kerr the reigns after the season... Naaa

I didn't say he would wake up, but that's where it has to start ...

It's been a "figure it out" problem through the last 300 hundred games. Loved Brandon Roy, but absolutely hated what he did to the TEAM. He masked all our offensive problems and relieved Nate of ever having to address his lack of offense. Nate is finally forced to create an offense that works for the whole Team. Since I'm a homer I'll give him the benefit of the doubt he can figure it out by playoff time.

Nate's been an NBA coach for 12 years, if he hasn't solved the problem by now ... what's that saying about insanity and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Offensively you're right, but the defense of this team is Legit. Glass half full if we can establish any reliable offense at all, all those close games will be W's

Fine, they can play some defense ... but these guards almost definitely can't play effectively on offense. That is highly unlikely to suddenly correct itself in any meaningful amount of games (at least soon enough to get them a home playoff series).

It's time to blow it up, give the younglings like Williams, Babbitt, Nolan Smith and maybe even Armon Johnson some burn to see if any of them are worth a damn, get as high of a draft position as you can and hope that you can remake this team into something that compliments Aldridge and Batum moving forward.

For the record I'm not saying Nate deserves a pass, I lost faith in him quite awhile ago of him being anything other than an above average motivator and a below average tactician or Xs and Os guy. It's probably time for a new voice, but it's mandatory that this team gets an infusion of talent.

 

[julius]

It's so easy to say "Get rid if Nate!" who the fuck you gonna bring in? It's the players, NOT Nate!

Patterns over time are created. all but 1 of Nates teams was either eliminated in the 1st round or didn't make the playoffs.

All but 1 of his teams were slow.

All but 1 of hsi teams had predictable offense.

He basically told one of the best PG's to play in the NBA (and arguably one of the better players to play, ever, for the Sonics) to suck it. He tried to tell Andre Miller that Steve Blake was a better player.

He's misused Batum, Wallace, Matthews, Crawford, Felton, LaMarcus, anyone who is a rookie and not named Brandon, Rudy, Sergio, Andre Miller, Jerryd Bayless, and had Jarrett Jack off the bench (love that joke).

The patterns all point their fingers to one man, and he's not a player.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

we'd just fuck up those picks, Sly. Injured big man, injured big man, injured big man. 2012, 13, 14.

Yes but think of all the years of breathless excitement and expectations as we wait for them to recover from injuries.

 

[HailBlazers]

Nate's been an NBA coach for 12 years, if he hasn't solved the problem by now ... what's that saying about insanity and doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

My point is, he's never actually had to deal with the problem. Thanks to Brandon Roy, it's been hiding in the back of the closet. And Now, Finally, he's forced to solve it.

Fine, they can play some defense ... but these guards almost definitely can't play effectively on offense. That is highly unlikely to suddenly correct itself in any meaningful amount of games (at least soon enough to get them a home playoff series).

Your right about the HCA. But not only can we play some defense, we can shut down the best scorers in the league on the road (Durant, Dirk). And If we can slowly correct our offense by any meaningful amount and score 6/10 pts more a game, it would make all the difference in the World.

 

[e_blazer]

So how about this trade idea?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6okw9wy

For the Lakers, they get a stud young player and a bunch of cap relief. For the Blazers, it resolves the Wallace/Batum logjam and gives them a solid front line for the next few years of Aldridge, a re-signed Wallace, and Gasol. Obviously, Blake isn't the answer at PG, but he's a holding action who's familiar with Nate and the Blazers and, at a bare minimum, isn't going to make some of the dumb-ass turnovers that Felton has been committing. I don't know if the Lakers would see it as enough for Gasol, but it's pretty clear that they want to get younger.

 

[Natebishop3]

So how about this trade idea?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6okw9wy

For the Lakers, they get a stud young player and a bunch of cap relief. For the Blazers, it resolves the Wallace/Batum logjam and gives them a solid front line for the next few years of Aldridge, a re-signed Wallace, and Gasol. Obviously, Blake isn't the answer at PG, but he's a holding action who's familiar with Nate and the Blazers and, at a bare minimum, isn't going to make some of the dumb-ass turnovers that Felton has been committing. I don't know if the Lakers would see it as enough for Gasol, but it's pretty clear that they want to get younger.

So I don't understand.... we trade Batum and get back Pau Gasol? Why would we want Gasol? And why would we want to help the Lakers?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Assuming the franchise is unwilling to either make moves for the future, or do something about Nate, their options are pretty limited.

The best I can come up with, is to sign Arenas (or even Iverson), plug them into Crawford's current role, and pray.

 

[magnifier661]

Assuming the franchise is unwilling to either make moves for the future, or do something about Nate, their options are pretty limited.

The best I can come up with, is to sign Arenas (or even Iverson), plug them into Crawford's current role, and pray.

I actually like the arenas option. He can shoot. That's gotta account for something right?