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As much as I love basketball, sports are also where money is going and way too many are athletic scholarships as opposed to academic scholarships.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
I don't see it as a bad thing. Sports help the school more than hurt. Plus, sports are a privilege for those participating. Sports help kids focus on their studies more while the school profits off their contributions. It's a win-win.
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Especially when you can watch USC win the national championship so many times.
 
magnifier661 said:
Especially when you can watch USC win the national championship so many times.
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magnifier661 said:
In California:

Figure K12-04

Where Schools Spend Their Money:

Classroom Instruction 62.4%

Transportation 2.7%

Other General Fund 2.7%

Pupil Services 5.2%

General Administration 5.3%

Instructional Support 11.7%

Maintenance and Operations 10.0%

Classroom Instruction includes general education, special education, teacher compensation, and special projects. General Administration includes superintendent and board, district and other administration and centralized electronic data processing.
Instructional Support includes research, curriculum development and staff development that benefits and supports student instruction.

Maintenance and Operations includes utilities, janitorial and groundskeeping staff, and routine repair and maintenance. Pupil Services includes counselors, school psychologists, nurses, child welfare, and attendance staff.
Other General Fund includes spending for ancillary services, contracts with other agencies, and transfers to and from other district funds.

1 Based on 2011-12 expenditure data reported by schools for their general purpose funding.
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Mags! There is something wrong with your example. Where is the retirement plan or PERs line accounted. Teachers retire with a better defined pension plan than almost any other occupation.
It has been going on now for some 50 years. Where is that giant payout accounting done? Is that commingled in with classroom instruction?

The cost to the schools districts is going up dramatically every year. The snowball is has probably reached uncontrollable velocity.

http://stand.org/oregon/blog/2013/02/28/pers-101-what-pers-and-why-do-parents-need-know-about-it
 
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Despite all the intelligence shown in this thread so far, it won't change a hill of beans till this country reallocates its priorities. The billions going to education should be diverted into tax breaks for core industries like message boards. We can't keep putting this nation's creativity into message boards without new incentives for our sacred partnership to ensure future value-added innovation on the horizon.
 
The Democrats don't care about education; they care about the teachers unions.
 
So I crunched some numbers:
Blue States....Red States​
SAT.......................1559.037.......1625.583
ACT.......................22.14.............20.65
Graduation Rate ..81.78.............80.33
College Enrollment 367,556......195,914


All of these are averages. I attached my numbers and sources.

This is not a sophisticated analysis. You can't make any meaningful insights from these numbers.

EDIT: how the hell are you suppose to do a table here?!?!?!?
 

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bluefrog said:
So I crunched some numbers:

Blue States Red States​
SAT 1559.037 1625.583
ACT 22.14 20.65
Graduation Rate 81.78 80.33
College Enrollment 367,556 195,914


All of these are averages. I attached my numbers and sources.

This is not a sophisticated analysis. You can't make any meaningful insights from these numbers.
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This isn't a question on who is smarter. This is a question on the amount of money that is allocated in the states. If your party publicly states, WE ARE FOR EDUCATION, that would mean they would go ALL IN and be the top budgeted schools. But the majority are the lowest.
 
magnifier661 said:
This isn't a question on who is smarter. This is a question on the amount of money that is allocated in the states. If your party publicly states, WE ARE FOR EDUCATION, that would mean they would go ALL IN and be the top budgeted schools. But the majority are the lowest.
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Do you have any evidence this is true? (Other than your hilarious non-evidence in Post #1 that begat this highly intelligent thread.)
 
magnifier661 said:
This isn't a question on who is smarter. This is a question on the amount of money that is allocated in the states. If your party publicly states, WE ARE FOR EDUCATION, that would mean they would go ALL IN and be the top budgeted schools. But the majority are the lowest.
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Are you saying blue states are producing smarter students for less money than red states?
 
jlprk said:
Do you have any evidence this is true? (Other than your hilarious non-evidence in Post #1 that begat this highly intelligent thread.)
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Yes it's in the other thread. Denny and I posted links and graphs. Oregon and California are the lower funded states. Check for yourself, which are linked to the actual budget from the state
 
bluefrog said:
Are you saying blue states are producing smarter students for less money than red states?
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that could be possible. Still doesn't take away that the democrats aren't spending as much as the GOP
 
Big cities are usually Democratic. Big cities spend more on police than rural areas. Therefore, Democrats spend more on police than Republicans.

What hypocrites the Republicans are, being pro-police but spending less than Democrats on police.
 
Christians are louder per person on the national scene than Jews. Jews are rich, so they spend more per capita on their synagogues.

What loud hypocrites the Christians are, inside their cheap churches.

Check the graphs and maps and pictures of churches in my other thread. I'm not giving a link because Google is your friend.
 
jlprk said:
Big cities are usually Democratic. Big cities spend more on police than rural areas. Therefore, Democrats spend more on police than Republicans.

What hypocrites the Republicans are, being pro-police but spending less than Democrats on police.
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That would be a good argument if we are talking totals. This is an observation of percentage. And since the percentages of the republican states still allocate close to the same percentage for police, your argument isn't valid.
 
jlprk said:
Christians are louder per person on the national scene than Jews. Jews are rich, so they spend more per capita on their synagogues.

What loud hypocrites the Christians are, inside their cheap churches.

Check the graphs and maps and pictures of churches in my other thread. I'm not giving a link because Google is your friend.
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Actually that would be extremely hypocritical of a Christian church to spend a ton of money on their church, since Christ would teach humility.
 
magnifier661 said:
Doesn't the Democratic Party usually preach that they support the education system? So why is it that the states that lean more towards the Democrats spend the least per student on education?
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Im not sure this is accurate. I haven't found anything that supports that red states spend more per child. I did find this list and it seems to be a pretty good mix with mostly blue states at the top.

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/2663...most-least-per-pupil-on-public-education.html

with the top 10 states being
1. New York
2. DC
3. Alaska
4. New Jersey
5. Connecticut
6. Vermont
7. Wyoming
8. Massachusetts
9. Rhode Island
10. Delaware

31. Oregon
36. California
 
donkiez said:
Im not sure this is accurate. I haven't found anything that supports that red states spend more per child. I did find this list and it seems to be a pretty good mix with mostly blue states at the top.

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/2663...most-least-per-pupil-on-public-education.html

with the top 10 states being
1. New York
2. DC
3. Alaska
4. New Jersey
5. Connecticut
6. Vermont
7. Wyoming
8. Massachusetts
9. Rhode Island
10. Delaware

31. Oregon
36. California
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Thank you for the link! It's very informative and it paints a pretty good picture. They break down the federal, state and private revenue; which you can use in conjunction with the state's annual revenue. And crunching the numbers further, the top Democrat states receive more private and federal funding than the state's budget funding.

For example....

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/state-tax-revenue-data.html

California's annual tax revenue for 2012 was 112 billion. Although the site you linked shows 2014's revenue, I will try and guess that they are somewhat similar. I will try to find a current revenue site later. Your link shows they give $36,413,273 towards schools K-12. That would mean they allocate 0.325% of their total revenue to the school systems.

Now I grabbed a State that was very close to California in "per student fund". Georgia, which is a GOP heavy state.

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/state-tax-revenue-data.html

$16,576,903,000 revenue, $7,455,147 state allocated revenue to each student.

That's .42% of total state revenue allocated to each student.

Now I grabbed a top Democrat state and their fund per student and the top GOP state per student. NY vs. Alaska

Alaska's state revenue is 7 billion, New York's revenue is 71.5 billion. Alaska gives 1.7 million of their state money to the students, New York gives 23 million of their revenue to the students. New York gives 0.03% of their state revenue to the students, Alaska gives 0.024% of their state revenue to education.

So I do agree with your statement that it's very misleading. The top GOP giving states, actually give less of their revenue to students, while the lower GOP funded states give more, While the top DEM states equal the amount of their revenue % as the lower ones.
 
magnifier661 said:
For you jlpk....

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/microchip-anyone.282319/page-3

This is the conversation of the spending per state. The majority of the lower budgeted states are democrat states. There are a few GOP states that spend less on education, but nothing compared to states that lean heavily on the blue
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Welll...first time I've looked at the thread...I only looked at 3-4 posts before I saw it was BS...I click on the link in the post below, scroll down to the graph, set it to Question #5, roll my cursor over each state's bar, and see that Democratic states spend more on education per student than Republican states.

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/3594389/
go to link in that post
http://edsource.org/data/states-in-motion#.VSWEPtotHX4

Denny cites a link, and it disproves Denny. That happens a lot, but people here don't check his links, so he gets away with calling ME crazy. So what were you saying again? (now that I demolished your point)
 
jlprk said:
Welll...first time I've looked at the thread...I only looked at 3-4 posts before I saw it was BS...I click on the link in the post below, scroll down to the graph, set it to Question #5, roll my cursor over each state's bar, and see that Democratic states spend more on education per student than Republican states.

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/3594389/
go to link in that post
http://edsource.org/data/states-in-motion#.VSWEPtotHX4

Denny cites a link, and it disproves Denny. That happens a lot, but people here don't check his links, so he gets away with calling ME crazy. So what were you saying again? (now that I demolished your point)
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We aren't talking about Denny's posts. I have a post citing the budget of the State. DUDE!!!!! I know you want to jump on Denny, but I am responding to you and I used actual budgets.
 
I jump on Denny because he's the big fish here, citing many inscrutable links. His arguments add up to more than the rest of you Republicans combined.

You premised this thread on your silly opening post's graph, which I called out as meaningless. So you said, this thread is about that thread, go to that thread. So I did, immediately found a piece of evidence (cited by Denny to prove one thing, but actually proving the opposite) which disproves the premise of this thread.

So even if that piece of evidence is from a Denny post in the thread to which you referred me, it still disproves your premise upon which this whole thread is founded, which is what the current exchange between you and me is about.

In other words, it doesn't matter whether my evidence was posted by you or Denny.
 
jlprk said:
I jump on Denny because he's the big fish here, citing many inscrutable links. His arguments add up to more than the rest of you Republicans combined.

You premised this thread on your silly opening post's graph, which I called out as meaningless. So you said, this thread is about that thread, go to that thread. So I did, immediately found a piece of evidence (cited by Denny to prove one thing, but actually proving the opposite) which disproves the premise of this thread.

So even if that piece of evidence is from a Denny post in the thread to which you referred me, it still disproves your premise upon which this whole thread is founded, which is what the current exchange between you and me is about.

In other words, it doesn't matter whether my evidence was posted by you or Denny.
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No, that thread was hijacked, and if you read the title and start of that thread, you would be already aware of that. And since I figured the topic was something very interesting, I decided to give it its own thread.

As for this thread... The evidence I just posted, the last link supports my argument as well. The first picture shows which party is the decision maker for that state. So how about you come back and actually provide an argument other than "meaningless" as the argument? I know you are better than that
 
bluefrog said:
So I crunched some numbers:
Blue States....Red States​
SAT.......................1559.037.......1625.583
ACT.......................22.14.............20.65
Graduation Rate ..81.78.............80.33
College Enrollment 367,556......195,914
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I have read articles on this phenomenon since the 1970s, explaining that rural states have only their elite (A) students take the SAT/ACT, while bigger, more socialized, states have a higher percentage (A and B students) take them. So the hick states get higher average scores.

donkiez said:
Im not sure this is accurate. I haven't found anything that supports that red states spend more per child. I did find this list and it seems to be a pretty good mix with mostly blue states at the top.

http://www.deseretnews.com/top/2663...most-least-per-pupil-on-public-education.html

with the top 10 states being
1. New York
2. DC
3. Alaska
4. New Jersey
5. Connecticut
6. Vermont
7. Wyoming
8. Massachusetts
9. Rhode Island
10. Delaware

31. Oregon
36. California
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Your ranking is pretty close to what I saw when I rolled my cursor over the graph in Denny's link, as I explained a few posts above.
 
jlprk said:
Denny cites a link, and it disproves Denny. That happens a lot, but people here don't check his links, so he gets away with calling ME crazy. So what were you saying again? (now that I demolished your point)
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Let's see:
Wrong
Crazy and
Babbling

All in the same post. The usual.

Anyhow, I don't buy mags' thesis here.

% of budget isn't all that meaningful.

$$$/student is where it's at.

The lotto proceeds are supposed to go for education. I don't know if that shows up in the budget. What is obvious is that it's something of a symbolic gesture vs. teaching kids to read and write and fabricate assumptions for their "scientific " models.
 
Denny Crane said:
% of budget isn't all that meaningful.

$$$/student is where it's at.
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Go to
http://edsource.org/data/states-in-motion#.VSWEPtotHX4
Scroll to under the graph. Change it to Question #5. Roll your cursor over the bars in the graph. You now see the Southern states spending the least per student on education, and Democratic states clustered in the top half.

3rd time I've explained your own link to you. While you babble that I babbled.
 
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