Serious Question For Trump Supporters

[Denny Crane]

And I applaud you for doing so. But HCP would have had to have tagged you in the post for you to answer it to him? He was the one asking in the OP not I.

He asked a lot of questions. Some are rhetorical, like the daughter one.

Like "how can you stand to look at yourself in the mirror?"

 

[KeepOnRollin]

He asked a lot of questions. Some are rhetorical, like the daughter one.

Like "how can you stand to look at yourself in the mirror?"

There certainly where some in there but if you thought the daughter one was then I guess that is the problem right there.

 

[blue32]

What should I not assume? That you, like me don't have a daughter?

You were just not going to answer the guy's question if you did in that case?

And good on you on if that is what you would have told your 8 year old "hypothetical? - unsure at this point" daughter (although you still didn't specify what the "truth" was that you would be telling her) but while I don't have daughters I do have nieces and if they asked me that question I certainly wouldn't be defending the guy with it "only being locker room talk hunny" even if I do approve with him being in the White House over Hillary (by a lot!).

No. Clearly please don't assume I don't have children. Second don't assume I don't have nieces or nephews. Lastly, like I have said in my first post on this thread; please go back and read it if you are confused.

Sorry if that triggers you.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Kinda explains the Russia love:


It's funny: my Dad, who is a retired history teacher whose AOS was the Russian revolution, keeps quoting Lenin that "worse is better". That is, if you want revolution, you want the people to be really suffering. Seems like Bannon's ahead of him on that one.

 

[Denny Crane]

There certainly where some in there but if you thought the daughter one was then I guess that is the problem right there.

Trump appeared on the Howard Stern show. Have you ever seen it on TV or heard it on radio? It's shock jock comedy, and very rude and crude. OMG, Trump said crude and rude things.

 

[blue32]

Kinda explains the Russia love:


It's funny: my Dad, who is a retired history teacher whose AOS was the Russian revolution, keeps quoting Lenin that "worse is better". That is, if you want revolution, you want the people to be really suffering. Seems like Bannon's ahead of him on that one.

Rasta, get your seat-belt on....

 

[KeepOnRollin]

No. Clearly please don't assume I don't have children. Second don't assume I don't have nieces or nephews. Lastly, like I have said in my first post on this thread; please go back and read it if you are confused.

Sorry if that triggers you.

Definitely not trigger don't worry man. I actually like how you defend Trump over most of the Liberals going the other way. And I didn't assume you didn't have children. I have children myself. The question was do you have a daughter? I don't and you seem to be wanting to sidestep the answer which is all good. And of course almost everyone has neices or nephews. They are awesome as a side note!

Here was what you posted that you would say: Instead of telling your child what to think, teach them how to think for themselves, by telling them the truth.

My question is what is the part that says the "truth". What would you actually be telling this daughter in substitution for the shorthand you wrote?

 

[Denny Crane]

Rasta, get your seat-belt on....

OK, that was a really good one.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Trump appeared on the Howard Stern show. Have you ever seen it on TV or heard it on radio? It's shock jock comedy, and very rude and crude. OMG, Trump said crude and rude things.

It absolutely is from what I hear. I haven't personally but I have been told. I would bet my hypothetical 8 year daughter hasn't though and when she is 17 I bet she has (or something similar at least). You as a father of a daughter know there is much different ways you put things to your 8-12 year old daughter then you do to your 16-17 year old one.

 

[blue32]

Definitely not trigger don't worry man. I actually like how you defend Trump over most of the Liberals going the other way. And I didn't assume you didn't have children. I have children myself. The question was do you have a daughter? I don't and you seem to be wanting to sidestep the answer which is all good. And of course almost everyone has neices or nephews. They are awesome as a side note!

Here was what you posted that you would say: Instead of telling your child what to think, teach them how to think for themselves, by telling them the truth.

My question is what is the part that says the "truth". What would you actually be telling this daughter in substitution for the shorthand you wrote?

My apologies then. My mistake, I misunderstood.

And I guess I had more replies in this thread then I had originally thought.

This is what I would tell my kid.


"Sometimes people say stupid stuff that they should not have in the first place, people make mistakes and people learn from them." I would then expand on that, to cite other examples of this normal human behavior that happens to everyone, and inject a teachable moment in it. Ya know, like, realize what you said, realize you may have spoken before you thought, and realize you may have to apologize.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

My apologies then. My mistake, I misunderstood.

And I guess I had more replies in this thread then I had originally thought.

This is what I would tell my kid.


"Sometimes people say stupid stuff that they should not have in the first place, people make mistakes and people learn from them." I would then expand on that, to cite other examples of this normal human behavior that happens to everyone, and inject a teachable moment in it. Ya know, like, realize what you said, realize you may have spoken before you thought, and realize you may have to apologize.

There you go. While I don't think I would answer it exactly that way to a daughter 8-12 (I think this is more appropriate to someone 15-17), I appreciate the response which is much more than anyone else bothers to give. It is good thing I don't have to decide at the spur of the moment (not actually having daughters and all). Hopefully HCP hasn't totally checked out of this sewage and will take a look at some point but to be honest I don't blame him if he doesn't (since the majority of responses have nothing to do with what he was asking about). No surprise of course. He should have known that going into it.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

There you go. While I don't think I would answer it exactly that way to a daughter 8-12 (I think this is more appropriate to someone 15-17), I appreciate the response which is much more than anyone else bothers to give. It is good thing I don't have to decide at the spur of the moment (not actually having daughters and all). Hopefully HCP hasn't totally checked out of this sewage and will take a look at some point but to be honest I don't blame him if he doesn't (since the majority of responses have nothing to do with what he was asking about). No surprise of course. He should have known that going into it.

Hey.......it might be sewage to you but for 35 years it was my bread and butter.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Yeah, after the cuban missile crisis, detente was a massive disaster.

I'm no fan of Nixon and rooted for his impeachment at the time, you cannot deny he literally saved the world. We were at the brink of nuclear war just a few years before he took office.

Exaggerate much......???

 

[Denny Crane]

It absolutely is from what I hear. I haven't personally but I have been told. I would bet my hypothetical 8 year daughter hasn't though and when she is 17 I bet she has (or something similar at least). You as a father of a daughter know there is much different ways you put things to your 8-12 year old daughter then you do to your 16-17 year old one.

Why talk to her about it at all?

You know better.

 

[Denny Crane]

Exaggerate much......???

It's no exaggeration.

How close we actually came to nuclear war with the USSR is scary.

I don't know why anyone would deny that detente brought us much further away from nuclear war than at any time up until that point, and through the fall of the USSR.

Global nuclear war between two powers with thousands of bombs would have meant the end of the world.

I'll cite a very left wing source.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/26/1604312/-War-Closer-Than-Thought-In-Cuban-Missile-Crisis

War Closer Than Thought In Cuban Missile Crisis

 

[riverman]

It's no exaggeration.

How close we actually came to nuclear war with the USSR is scary.

I don't know why anyone would deny that detente brought us much further away from nuclear war than at any time up until that point, and through the fall of the USSR.

Global nuclear war between two powers with thousands of bombs would have meant the end of the world.

I'll cite a very left wing source.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/26/1604312/-War-Closer-Than-Thought-In-Cuban-Missile-Crisis

War Closer Than Thought In Cuban Missile Crisis

Here are 20 examples from 1956 on where nuclear destruction or catastrophe was avoided ...my experience tells me there are probably more than this we don't know about
http://nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-is...dents/20-mishaps-maybe-caused-nuclear-war.htm

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Why talk to her about it at all?

You know better.

The daughter is the one who brought it up not the parent. So if your daughter would have brought this up you would have just walked away or told her we aren't talking about this honey?

 

[MarAzul]

Maybe if Trump is (a molester) the Hollywood libs will leave him alone. They don't seem to mind that type of thing.

Oh yes! I forgot about that one.

 

[Denny Crane]

The daughter is the one who brought it up not the parent. So if your daughter would have brought this up you would have just walked away or told her we aren't talking about this honey?

"The man is rude and crude and those qualities are not to be emulated."

I don't suggest those are good things to say, even on Stern's show, but Stern's show isn't my thing. 1st amendment, though. It is what it is.

 

[Denny Crane]

Here are 20 examples from 1956 on where nuclear destruction or catastrophe was avoided ...my experience tells me there are probably more than this we don't know about
http://nuclearfiles.org/menu/key-is...dents/20-mishaps-maybe-caused-nuclear-war.htm

Those weren't military confrontations where both sides had their finger on the trigger.

Even so, detente still saved the world. A nuclear accident was less likely to lead to all out war, as long as the two sides were talking.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

It's no exaggeration.

How close we actually came to nuclear war with the USSR is scary.

I don't know why anyone would deny that detente brought us much further away from nuclear war than at any time up until that point, and through the fall of the USSR.

Global nuclear war between two powers with thousands of bombs would have meant the end of the world.

I'll cite a very left wing source.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/26/1604312/-War-Closer-Than-Thought-In-Cuban-Missile-Crisis

War Closer Than Thought In Cuban Missile Crisis

You'll get absolutely NO argument from me on the Cuban missilery clusterf**k. But that was Kennedy's fubar. And I'll give Nixon his due for detente. But the assertion that he saved the world???? C'mon Denny, save it for the clueless. I said he almost destroyed this country and I'll argue that until the cows come home. The man was a snake.

 

[Denny Crane]

You'll get absolutely NO argument from me on the Cuban missilery clusterf**k. But that was Kennedy's fubar. And I'll give Nixon his due for detente. But the assertion that he saved the world???? C'mon Denny, save it for the clueless. I said he almost destroyed this country and I'll argue that until the cows come home. The man was a snake.

The man was a snake, but I'm sure that "almost destroyed this country" is the exaggeration.

Yes, he saved the world. Instead of staring at each other over nuclear gun barrels, we went back and forth with open dialog and signed treaties to limit or reduce the number of weapons.

 

[Denny Crane]

How about this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...discuss-voting-rights/?utm_term=.2f5e75113ad0

Trump meets with Martin Luther King III on Monday to discuss voting rights

President-elect Donald Trump, who spent the weekend engaged in a war of words with civil rights activist and U.S. Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.), met Monday with Martin Luther King III to discuss voting rights.

The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.’s eldest son walked into Trump Tower at 12:51 p.m. with a handful of colleagues affiliated with the Drum Major Institute, a progressive public policy think tank where he is president.

“Today, President-elect Trump is going to sit down with Martin Luther King III and others in New York and have a conversation about voting, about bringing more people into the system, the legacy of Doctor King and how we can continue to pursue that under the Trump administration,” Trump spokesman Sean Spicer said on NBC’s “Today” show Monday.

 

[MarAzul]

Those weren't military confrontations where both sides had their finger on the trigger.

Even so, detente still saved the world. A nuclear accident was less likely to lead to all out war, as long as the two sides were talking.

October 1962 was closer than we have ever been to the brink of nuclear disaster. We were at, all hands on deck, prepping for what seemed to be the unavoidable.

 

[riverman]

Those weren't military confrontations where both sides had their finger on the trigger

actually I think 2 of them were Cuban....one you cited yourself

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

The man was a snake, but I'm sure that "almost destroyed this country" is the exaggeration.

Yes, he saved the world. Instead of staring at each other over nuclear gun barrels, we went back and forth with open dialog and signed treaties to limit or reduce the number of weapons.

Hmmm......let's see what happened on his watch.....Kent State, the invasion of Cambodia, Watergate, the illegal activities of his Vice President, demonstrations that make those of today look like child's play, yada, yada, yada. With Trump, only half of America is demoralized. Under Nixon the percentage was way higher. Or maybe you were too wrapped up in counter cultural activities to notice......

 

[Denny Crane]

Hmmm......let's see what happened on his watch.....Kent State, the invasion of Cambodia, Watergate, the illegal activities of his Vice President, demonstrations that make those of today look like child's play, yada, yada, yada. With Trump, only half of America is demoralized. Under Nixon the percentage was way higher. Or maybe you were too wrapped up in counter cultural activities to notice......

You're dodging the argument by making arguments I agree with.

But he didn't come close to destroying the country. The country survived. It would have survived if he was impeached and removed and put on trial and thrown in prison.

If anything, it weakened the role of the presidency due to lack of trust, but that's a good thing.

 

[riverman]

But he didn't come close to destroying the country

He sure helped divide it into two teams that hate each other....and that's ongoing...in a way, Nixon and Hoover really did their best to muck it up for generations

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I would tell my daughter that if you're going to be around Trump you should wear a burka. If that doesn't stop his interest in you that just smile and when he takes you into his bedroom pee on his bed and run like hell.

 

[barfo]

A PRIVATE conversation.

I've said plenty of things about women to my buddies in private over the years. It doesn't mean I want to sexually assault them.

Fucking Christ. Do you honestly believe that?

He was asking how the daughter heard about it, I was answering. I wasn't offering an opinion about whether Donald Trump does what he said he does.

barfo