Serious Question For Trump Supporters

[Jade Falcon]

Bolded = Me too. Same boat. Yes I used to be a registered Dem.

All the other, I agree with you 1000%.

The last sentence is a huge reason why the movement is happening.

I remember, when Obama was voted in to office, how quiet Conservatives got. I really think that, overall, it caused Republicans and Conservatives to take a step back and reevaluate their positions, and how they approached them.

And it showed in this election cycle. For the most part, I think they brushed off the LGBT issue. Whereas back during Bush's years, they would have stood firmly against it.

And weed, for that matter.

The country IS changing. But we can still have our freedoms while respecting the rights of others and, most importantly, the rule of law. These things will keep our society stable and safe for everyone.

8 years of warmongering, lies, and labeling the Left gave rise to Obama. Now 8 years of elitism, Hollywood Celebrities, and labeling the Right have given rise to Trump.

It's time for the Left to learn that lesson.

 

[blue32]

I remember, when Obama was voted in to office, how quiet Conservatives got. I really think that, overall, it caused Republicans and Conservatives to take a step back and reevaluate their positions, and how they approached them.

And it showed in this election cycle. For the most part, I think they brushed off the LGBT issue. Whereas back during Bush's years, they would have stood firmly against it.

And weed, for that matter.

The country IS changing. But we can still have our freedoms while respecting the rights of others and, most importantly, the rule of law. These things will keep our society stable and safe for everyone.

8 years of warmongering, lies, and labeling the Left gave rise to Obama. Now 8 years of elitism, Hollywood Celebrities, and labeling the Right have given rise to Trump.

It's time for the Left to learn that lesson.

Agreed, if were not embroiled in a civil fucking war. Jesus it's going to take a huge house cleaning, from schools on up.

 

[TBpup]

Very possible but if it changes, it will go through the right channels to change. I personally don't think it will change. Trump is actually pro-gay.

A very liberal, gay client of mine reluctantly pointed out that Hillary had been anti-gay marriage as recently as 2014 while Trump was holding up a gay flag at one of his rallies to show inclusiveness. Again, things I had no idea about that certainly the mainstream media wasn't reporting. He showed me video clips to make his point and for the first time in his lifetime, voted Republican for anything.

I found that to be almost unimaginable.....which is exactly how he described it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

A very liberal, gay client of mine reluctantly pointed out that Hillary had been anti-gay marriage as recently as 2014 while Trump was holding up a gay flag at one of his rallies to show inclusiveness. Again, things I had no idea about that certainly the mainstream media wasn't reporting. He showed me video clips to make his point and for the first time in his lifetime, voted Republican for anything.

I found that to be almost unimaginable.....which is exactly how he described it.

I was for gay marriage at least 10 years before the Democrat Presidential nominee. Not just saying it to get elected either.

 

[selloutking]

im not going to read this thread, and I wont read it after I post this either, but I watched this last night and was in full amazement.

 

[Jade Falcon]

im not going to read this thread, and I wont read it after I post this either, but I watched this last night and was in full amazement.

LMFAO! Dude, that was hilarious, thank you.

I'm old enough to remember that show too. Wow....

 

[selloutking]

LMFAO! Dude, that was hilarious, thank you.

I'm old enough to remember that show too. Wow....

I loved that show man, and that video is hilarious no matter who you are a supporter of so I figured it was a good thing to drop here.

 

[Denny Crane]

A really deep (in depth) article analyzing the state of the Democratic Party and why they are losing elections in states, senate, house, and presidency.

http://www.nbcnews.com/specials/democrats-left-in-the-lurch

The gist is they get more votes, but their voters are poorly distributed. Looks like a few blue dots in an ocean of red, looking at the map.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-donald-trump-kass-0118-20170117-column.html

Trump, the media and a cure for hysteria

Before Donald Trump establishes himself in the White House, here's hoping he does something huge for American journalism.

He's already been a huge boon to journalists, serving as a pinata for thwacks and clicks and fear and clicks and panic and clicks and outrage, shame, clicks and more clicks.

But sometimes, clicks just aren't enough.

So how about gigantic, five-gallon jugs chock-full of Prozac, or other such antidepressants, placed in every newsroom?

Because it should be clear by now that something is needed, since much of journalism leans to the political left, and that many of the left are beyond fear and hysterics over Trump.

 

[MarAzul]

I was for gay marriage at least 10 years before the Democrat Presidential nominee. Not just saying it to get elected either.

This is a conflicting use of terms.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This is a conflicting use of terms.

We get it, marriage should only be between male and female snowflakes.

 

[MarAzul]

We get it, marriage should only be between male and female snowflakes.

No judgement required, so you can drop the should.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This is a conflicting use of terms.

Call it whatever you want. The point is that every American citizen should have the same rights as any other. We can debate whether homosexuality is good or bad or the same. I'd rather not.

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[illmatic99]

8 years of warmongering, lies, and labeling the Left gave rise to Obama. Now 8 years of elitism, Hollywood Celebrities, and labeling the Right have given rise to Trump.

It's time for the Left to learn that lesson.

You really gonna call Obama and his presidency more of a Hollywood Celebrity or elitist than Trump?

Really?

 

[illmatic99]

It is baffling to me how a conservative voter can call anyone else "elitist."

What kind of world is this.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Wondering if any of you are watching the Frontline two-night special "The Divided States of America?"

Or is that fake news too?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Wondering if any of you are watching the Frontline two-night special "The Divided States of America?"

Or is that fake news too?

I like Frontline, didn't know about this. Thanks.

I can't even get people to watch Nova around here.

 

[Denny Crane]

Wondering if any of you are watching the Frontline two-night special "The Divided States of America?"

Or is that fake news too?

It's on the DVR, I haven't watched it yet.

 

[The Professional Fan]

It's on the DVR, I haven't watched it yet.

Curious what you think of it. It might deserve it's own thread. At least for me, it's illuminating. Perhaps for some of you that are more involved in the day-to-day of American politics it will just be a re-hash. I have no idea.

 

[Denny Crane]

Curious what you think of it. It might deserve it's own thread. At least for me, it's illuminating. Perhaps for some of you that are more involved in the day-to-day of American politics it will just be a re-hash. I have no idea.

I don't expect it to be flattering to Trump at all. It is PBS, after all. I do watch Frontline a lot, and they have been critical of democrats in the past.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I don't expect it to be flattering to Trump at all. It is PBS, after all. I do watch Frontline a lot, and they have been critical of democrats in the past.

So far they haven't even delved into Trump but rather the divide that Obama created and the rise of the Tea Party which, I'm guessing, will parlay into the rise of Trump. It's a 4 hour thing. I've only seen an hour and a half roughly. But for someone that voted for Obama twice and have always had a hard time understanding why some of you think he was so divisive, it's been illuminating. At least I can already better understand what you think you see. I couldn't even see it before. So far it's been really balanced and interesting.

 

[Denny Crane]

So far they haven't even delved into Trump but rather the divide that Obama created and the rise of the Tea Party which, I'm guessing, will parlay into the rise of Trump. It's a 4 hour thing. I've only seen an hour and a half roughly. But for someone that voted for Obama twice and have always had a hard time understanding why some of you think he was so divisive, it's been illuminating. At least I can already better understand what you think you see. I couldn't even see it before. So far it's been really balanced and interesting.

My take is Obama wasn't much interested in working with republicans from the start, since he had/expected 60 votes in the Senate (don't need to debate that), control of the House, and the White House. That wasn't an act to unite the people. Even when republicans did regain congress, he went about doing things by Executive Order that are questionable constitutionally.

The rise of the tea party was just as much a response to republicans who let them down during the W years. With all 3 branches for 6 years, they spent like crazy and grew social programs beyond the rate of inflation.

I'll give you more feedback after watching it.

 

[Chris Craig]

My take is Obama wasn't much interested in working with republicans from the start, since he had/expected 60 votes in the Senate (don't need to debate that), control of the House, and the White House. That wasn't an act to unite the people. Even when republicans did regain congress, he went about doing things by Executive Order that are questionable constitutionally.

The rise of the tea party was just as much a response to republicans who let them down during the W years. With all 3 branches for 6 years, they spent like crazy and grew social programs beyond the rate of inflation.

I'll give you more feedback after watching it.

Excuse me. The republicans didn't want to work with him. As soon as he was elected they said they were going to block everything he tried do, before even knowing what exactly his plan was. They didn't even want to listen. Dont try to put that on Obama, Denny, that's a bunch of horse shit and you know it.

He had to do things by executive order. He was forced to by the republicans who wouldn't even try to be bipartisan. It was unconstirutional that they say on their asses twittling their thumbs and not doing shit for 8 years. They didn't do their job. They should have all been fired.

 

[blue32]

Excuse me. The republicans didn't want to work with him. As soon as he was elected they said they were going to block everything he tried do, before even knowing what exactly his plan was. They didn't even want to listen. Dont try to put that on Denny, that's a bunch of horse shot and you know it.

This is why I support DJT's term limit idea. Fuck all of them.

 

[Chris Craig]

And instead of trying to convince a bunch of blind dogs to see, he presidented the shit out of it, and got what he could done.

Maybe if the republicans were willing to work bipartisan, the affordable health care act might not have been the shamble it was. Doubtful though, the republicans in Congress and the Senate could give a fuck about people in poverty. They are going to repeal it now, without a back up plan to make sure millions of people who can't afford health care will get it, once the repeal goes through because they don't care about the lower class.

 

[Chris Craig]

I do gotta say though, if I were a Democratic President with a Republican Congress who refused to work with me, I'd bring cameras into the capitol, and I'm not talking cspan...I'm talking national tv and I'd call their asses out on it, and make them squirm, and it'd be on every channel. I'd bring the camera up to each of them, right to their faces, and question them. And ask them why they shouldn't be fired. Why they are to busy to work for the people of America that hired them, yet they are inclined to have meetings to raise their salaries....I'd stick it to them. I'd tear them a new asshole.

Maybe that's a bit much, but you can't let them walk over you like that, you can't.

 

[The Professional Fan]

My take is Obama wasn't much interested in working with republicans from the start, since he had/expected 60 votes in the Senate (don't need to debate that), control of the House, and the White House. That wasn't an act to unite the people. Even when republicans did regain congress, he went about doing things by Executive Order that are questionable constitutionally.

The rise of the tea party was just as much a response to republicans who let them down during the W years. With all 3 branches for 6 years, they spent like crazy and grew social programs beyond the rate of inflation.

I'll give you more feedback after watching it.

Yes, that is how they frame it but they correlate it with the Sarah Palin "phenomenon" during the 2008 election and the subsequent shift in the Republican party. I'm just going to let you watch it and see what you think lol

 

[Jade Falcon]

You really gonna call Obama and his presidency more of a Hollywood Celebrity or elitist than Trump?

Really?

Dude....

Who had more interviews with talk show hosts, and who hung out more with Hollywood celebrities? Who did Hollywood endorse more?

Trump.....or Obama and Clinton?

Come on now.....

It is baffling to me how a conservative voter can call anyone else "elitist."

What kind of world is this.

It's baffling to me that a Liberal doesn't understand the above. Seriously.

Lady GaGa, Miley Cyrus, Cher, Maryl Streep, and the rest of their kind aren't Conservative Republicans.....

I do gotta say though, if I were a Democratic President with a Republican Congress who refused to work with me, I'd bring cameras into the capitol, and I'm not talking cspan...I'm talking national tv and I'd call their asses out on it, and make them squirm, and it'd be on every channel. I'd bring the camera up to each of them, right to their faces, and question them. And ask them why they shouldn't be fired. Why they are to busy to work for the people of America that hired them, yet they are inclined to have meetings to raise their salaries....I'd stick it to them. I'd tear them a new asshole.

Maybe that's a bit much, but you can't let them walk over you like that, you can't.

That's an outstanding idea. Can we do that to the Democrats in the Senate who have promised to block every single thing that Trump does?

 

[Chris Craig]

Dude....

Who had more interviews with talk show hosts, and who hung out more with Hollywood celebrities? Who did Hollywood endorse more?

Trump.....or Obama and Clinton?

Come on now.....



It's baffling to me that a Liberal doesn't understand the above. Seriously.

Lady GaGa, Miley Cyrus, Cher, Maryl Streep, and the rest of their kind aren't Conservative Republicans.....



That's an outstanding idea. Can we do that to the Democrats in the Senate who have promised to block every single thing that Trump does?

Sure