Setting picks

[Masala716]

LA is sooooo bad at setting a good pick that frees up Lillard. It's not that hard to learn. LA just kept slipping the pick all series and didn't screen off Lillard's defender at all.

For the spurs, every pick Duncan set freed up Parker for a wide open lane. It was impossible to guard their P&R because of how good Duncan was at setting picks.

Setting a good pick is all about technique and it's a simple thing to master if you are a big. You just have to be focused and put your mind to setting it properly and taking contact from the guard. If LA can be as good at setting picks as Duncan, it will make our offense even better by giving Lillard easy looks. Our offense stalled a lot in this series.

 

[Mediocre Man]

We haven't had anyone on the roster that can set a mean pick since whoever played last between Oden and Przybilla

 

[Masala716]

It isn't that hard to learn. You don't have to rock the defender when you pick him off. You just have to be focused and patient to get wide, get set, and set a pick. Lillard also has to know to wait until the pick is completely set before taking off. Our Pick and Roll execution is awful.

 

[Hobbesarable]

LA is sooooo bad at setting a good pick that frees up Lillard. It's not that hard to learn. LA just kept slipping the pick all series and didn't screen off Lillard's defender at all.

For the spurs, every pick Duncan set freed up Parker for a wide open lane. It was impossible to guard their P&R because of how good Duncan was at setting picks.

Setting a good pick is all about technique and it's a simple thing to master if you are a big. You just have to be focused and put your mind to setting it properly and taking contact from the guard. If LA can be as good at setting picks as Duncan, it will make our offense even better by giving Lillard easy looks. Our offense stalled a lot in this series.

Spurs were setting highly effective picks on both sides of the perimeter and at times with two different big men (Duncan and Splitter) during the same play.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

We could do a lot better job of defending the Duncan/Parker P and R though. Our big men were caught flat-footed a lot, didn't show enough. (LMA is the worst offender tbh) I think you have to force the pass and then do a better job of rotating/helping the helper. It's imperfect of course, but that option is better than allowing Parker (or Ginobli) to come around a screen without forcing a more difficult decision.

 

[blue32]

Yea, we do seriously suck at setting them...noticed that greatly in the Spurs series.

 

[blue9]

You just have to be focused and put your mind to setting it properly and taking contact from the guard.

Therein lies the problem.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Of course it also helps that Duncan was allowed to hipcheck the defender time and again - those were not legal screens.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Of course it also helps that Duncan was allowed to hipcheck the defender time and again - those were not legal screens.

Exactly. This was by biggest complaint over how the series was officiated. The rules changed from series 1 to series 2. In the Houston series they called almost every moving pick.
Against both teams.

The next series.......hardly any were called against either team. Yes we should have adjusted but why change the rules now? It made no sense to me.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Exactly. This was by biggest complaint over how the series was officiated. The rules changed from series 1 to series 2. In the Houston series they called almost every moving pick.
Against both teams.

The next series.......hardly any were called against either team. Yes we should have adjusted but why change the rules now? It made no sense to me.

We should have started setting better (illegal) picks then.

 

[Pinwheel1]

We should have started setting better (illegal) picks then.

i agree. That's why I said we should have adjusted.

Still doesn't explain why, when they made moving picks such a focal point all season long, and called so many tick tack picks, ......that they would just stop in the second round.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

i agree. That's why I said we should have adjusted.

Still doesn't explain why, when they made moving picks such a focal point all season long, and called so many tick tack picks, ......that they would just stop in the second round.

If we're looking for sense, logic, or fairness from the NBA and the referees, we may be looking a long time.

 

[Masala716]

One of the things I noticed is that LA often seems to slip the pick and try to get open immediately for the jumper. Basically, he allows both defenders to get to Lillard and tries to get away for a 20 footer instead of trying to get Lillard open. Lillard then passes out of the double team to a LA 20 ft away from the basket.

The P&R is far more effective the way it is MEANT to be run. The way Parker and Duncan run it. LA needs to understand that he has to get Lillard free, not force a double. If Lillard gets free then Lillard will either get an easy bucket, or the big man will switch over and LA can roll to the rim for a high percentage shot with a little guy on him. If someone helps over, you have a shooter open. He has to be patient and understand that getting Lillard free instead of slipping the pick will ultimately be better for him.

Trying to slip the pick and have Lillard pass out of a double team to LA for an 18 footer is a much less effective way to run the P&R than the way the Spurs run it.

 

[tester551]

One of the things I noticed is that LA often seems to slip the pick and try to get open immediately for the jumper. Basically, he allows both defenders to get to Lillard and tries to get away for a 20 footer instead of trying to get Lillard open. Lillard then passes out of the double team to a LA 20 ft away from the basket.

The P&R is far more effective the way it is MEANT to be run. The way Parker and Duncan run it. LA needs to understand that he has to get Lillard free, not force a double. If Lillard gets free then Lillard will either get an easy bucket, or the big man will switch over and LA can roll to the rim for a high percentage shot with a little guy on him. If someone helps over, you have a shooter open. He has to be patient and understand that getting Lillard free instead of slipping the pick will ultimately be better for him.

Trying to slip the pick and have Lillard pass out of a double team to LA for an 18 footer is a much less effective way to run the P&R than the way the Spurs run it.

Amen.

 

[PHXBlazer1]

Repped! I almost started this thread last night! Our bigs and Dame need to watch film of Duncan and Parker working the PnR all summer. They get an open midrange jumper or a mismatch every time against shitty defenses (us). If Dame and LA could run it like they do we'd be unstoppable.