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GrandpaBlaze said:
So, with the Shae/Clyde comparisons (or similarities) be espoused, where are on our path to recreating that incredible 90's team?

Porter: Scoot?
Clyde: Shae
Jerome: Camara
Buck: ???
Duck: Ayton (although I think Ayton has a better all-around game)

Who do we get to fill the Buck position?
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Funny to think that PF is a position I’m most worried about and our current PF is a 20 pt a game scorer. I would love an enforcer type of PF (Draymond type without as much crazy). A guy who can is capable scorer, excellent defender and rebounder. I also like tough guys at this position guys who will protect our young guys and send a message if you foul one of our guys hard he’s going to do the same thing down at the other end. Don’t necessarily won’t really young guy at this position
 
Idog1976 said:
Are PF's wings? Cause I'd love for us to have a young PF and also move off of Grant. I'd love to get someone like Jabari Smith Jr. I know he's not available, but a young PF with upside.
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I’d definitely consider most of today’s PFs as wings, and I agree, I’d love to move Grant for a wing. I think we are still probably top 5-6 in odds for the #1 pick, so multiple of the wings like any of Holland, Edwards, Buzelis, and Almasa could still be available in our range. So really, we just need Ant and Grant to turn into one top tier prospect and some 1sts.

Spitballing here, maybe we send Grant to Cleveland eventually, Allen is sent to the Pels, and we get Jones + filler. Scoot + Ant + Shae + Jones + Ayton—there’s a chance that the wing duo of Shae and Herb can terrorize opposing wings on the defensive side of the ball.
 
If the Blazers start running more, and if Grant can get his shooting efficiency back up to near 60% True Shooting, he actually is a good fit.
Last night he dribbled the ball coast-to-coast with authority and scored easily.
He did take 10 free throws last night too, which is murder for the other team and are easy, high-percentage points for the Trail Blazers.

What is very worrisome early in the season about Grant is his overdribbling, taking long-range 2-pointers, and off-balance, wild shots.
I think those bad things will lessen the more Scoot and Shaedon handle the ball, and the more the players get to know each other.

If the Blazers have Ayton gobbling up rebounds, and Camara or another SF who rebounds, the best type of PF would seem to be one who can do what Grant does well -
dribble the ball on the fast break, finish the fast break (or as a cutter) well in traffic, and shoot 3-pointers well.

The key is that his shooting quality needs to go up, to the level it was last season. Which he obviously proved he can do. If he can't, he's not a good fit.
 
BankTeller said:
I’d definitely consider most of today’s PFs as wings, and I agree, I’d love to move Grant for a wing. I think we are still probably top 5-6 in odds for the #1 pick, so multiple of the wings like any of Holland, Edwards, Buzelis, and Almasa could still be available in our range. So really, we just need Ant and Grant to turn into one top tier prospect and some 1sts.

Spitballing here, maybe we send Grant to Cleveland eventually, Allen is sent to the Pels, and we get Jones + filler. Scoot + Ant + Shae + Jones + Ayton—there’s a chance that the wing duo of Shae and Herb can terrorize opposing wings on the defensive side of the ball.
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Herb is a 33% 3-point shooter. Replacing Grant with him seems to be both an upgrade and a downgrade.
I would prefer a 3-and-D PF. Herb has the D, but not the 3.
 
Jerami Grant is really good at bottling up the opposing bigs in the paint so Camara, Sharpe, etc can coral the boards. It's why Josh Hart and Dame were getting 10 boards a night playing next to him. People don't see his defense for what it brings to the team. If we outrebound the opponent, it's a team skill. Grant frustrated the hell out of Siakam when we played Toronto and kept him off the glass. He's part of why we're the 13th ranked defense in the league today. We got 56 boards to 44 boards against Detroit. I'll take that any game.
 
riverman said:
Jerami Grant is really good at bottling up the opposing bigs in the paint so Camara, Sharpe, etc can coral the boards. It's why Josh Hart and Dame were getting 10 boards a night playing next to him. People don't see his defense for what it brings to the team. If we outrebound the opponent, it's a team skill. Grant frustrated the hell out of Siakam when we played Toronto and kept him off the glass. He's part of why we're the 13th ranked defense in the league today. We got 56 boards to 44 boards against Detroit. I'll take that any game.
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Which is a good complement, rather than a redundancy, of Ayton's rebounding skills.
Also, when you tie up/ bottle up a player, that is exactly what Robert Williams is looking for as a help defender (and other help defenders in the future).
 
Didn’t read the thread, but I think his best play of the night was after a turnover I believe, he chased them down on a fast break and swiped the ball down and off of the Piston player’s knee. Fantastic hustle play that you won’t even see in the box score!
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I really really like Camara and think he’s exactly what we need at the 3.

3 and D who gets you hussle plays that extend offensive possessions or gets you defensive stops/rebounds. I would start him now
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I think he would fit well as a starter next to 3 shooters. (Plus Ayton) So next to Malcolm, Shae, and Grant, or Ant, Shae, and Grant.....but not too sure about starting him with Scoot. If we continue to start Scoot right now, I would start Shae and Brogdon next to him. ( or Ant when he gets back) I just think you need 3 good outside shooters on the floor at all times and neither Scoot, Carmara, or Ayton are at this point in time
 
BankTeller said:
I’d definitely consider most of today’s PFs as wings, and I agree, I’d love to move Grant for a wing. I think we are still probably top 5-6 in odds for the #1 pick, so multiple of the wings like any of Holland, Edwards, Buzelis, and Almasa could still be available in our range. So really, we just need Ant and Grant to turn into one top tier prospect and some 1sts.

Spitballing here, maybe we send Grant to Cleveland eventually, Allen is sent to the Pels, and we get Jones + filler. Scoot + Ant + Shae + Jones + Ayton—there’s a chance that the wing duo of Shae and Herb can terrorize opposing wings on the defensive side of the ball.
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I love Herb Jones, but I feel like we might have our SFoTF in Camara. What we need is a PF who is young. I also get wings are somewhat interchangeable, but I really want at least a 6'9" guy who is bulky at PF, or EXTREMELY long and athletic with that height. My preference is a 3 and D PF who is 6'10"-6'11" with a good wingspan and mobility.
 
BonesJones said:
He can also be our starting SF. He's defended 3s particularly well this year.
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I don't think that is wise because that sets him up for bully ball down low with all the 6'7-9" and bulky SF's in the west like Kawhi and LeBron. Sure, those guys are extremes just illustrating the point. While we still have Simons, if we must start him (debatable), then sure we can briefly have Rim Shaedy at the SF. I'd much prefer to start Scoot, Sharpe, Camara and Ayton and figure out how to get a PF from another team for Grant and/or Simons. We can start Grant for now and Sharpe at the SF until we make a midseason trade, I just don't like Sharpe at SF long term, he will dominate other SG's at both ends, but having him at SF means he's going to take a lot more punishment on the defensive end.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
So, with the Shae/Clyde comparisons (or similarities) be espoused, where are on our path to recreating that incredible 90's team?

Porter: Scoot?
Clyde: Shae
Jerome: Camara
Buck: ???
Duck: Ayton (although I think Ayton has a better all-around game)

Who do we get to fill the Buck position?
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Obviously, we trade Oden for the next Buck, just like we did with Bowie. It's about time we get some value out of Oden, right?

That doesn't answer who the next Buck is, though.
 
Idog1976 said:
I love Herb Jones, but I feel like we might have our SFoTF in Camara. What we need is a PF who is young. I also get wings are somewhat interchangeable, but I really want at least a 6'9" guy who is bulky at PF, or EXTREMELY long and athletic with that height. My preference is a 3 and D PF who is 6'10"-6'11" with a good wingspan and mobility.
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Any player other than Ayton has to be able to hit open 3-pointers because Scoot is going to create a lot of open shots from the perimeter.
Kind of is standard for the NBA anyway.
 
Everything Beagle said:
This query cost me $8... you owe me

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Some notes:

Win Shares are cumulative, and at this rate, Shae could hit 8.2 WS which is solidly middle of the pack (4th).
Our team isn't a team that will win 2 out of every 5 games though, so his WS will be lower.
I only see two busts on this list of 8 players, which is pretty good.
Other than Ball and Zion, I would love to have any of those guys on my team at 20 years old.
 
Look at the company Sharpe is in there. Yes, it's only five games. But I have little doubt he can average 24/6/5 this season if Billups realizes what he has. With that, Sharpe is the only one on the list that did not start all of the games played. If Billups puts him on the bench or at SF when Ant comes back, meet me in the melt down thread.
 
The one player that doesn't fit too well is Thybulle. He really should be defending guards not "small" forwards or guards the size of Cade Cunningham.
Thybulle seems to have the most limited role if he can't shoot 3-pointers.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
So, with the Shae/Clyde comparisons (or similarities) be espoused, where are on our path to recreating that incredible 90's team?

Porter: Scoot?
Clyde: Shae
Jerome: Camara
Buck: ???
Duck: Ayton (although I think Ayton has a better all-around game)

Who do we get to fill the Buck position?
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Right now we have...

Kiki: Jerami Grant
 
I'm not sure I understand what a lot of you guys are seeing, but I've never considered Grant to be a PF. Not trying to be an a-hole. If Grant and Camara are the starting forwards, I think Grant is the SF and Camara is the PF. I think Camara can play minutes at the SF, like when he's on the court with Jabari. But, in the context of what those positions role's are traditionally, I think it's pretty obvious that Camara is the PF beside Grant.
 
cheesehoff said:
I'm not sure I understand what a lot of you guys are seeing, but I've never considered Grant to be a PF. Not trying to be an a-hole. If Grant and Camara are the starting forwards, I think Grant is the SF and Camara is the PF. I think Camara can play minutes at the SF, like when he's on the court with Jabari. But, in the context of what those positions role's are traditionally, I think it's pretty obvious that Camara is the PF beside Grant.
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I think it is more about matchups. There are a lot of teams with long stretch 4's...Grant with his 7'3" wing span is our best defender against that
A traditional PF can't cover the perimeter, which is why we don't see many. But to your point, yeah Camari can guard most 4s as well.
On offense, however, I still want to see 3 players on the court who can handle the ball and 3 who can shoot from the outside.
 
BIG Q said:
Look at the company Sharpe is in there. Yes, it's only five games. But I have little doubt he can average 24/6/5 this season if Billups realizes what he has. With that, Sharpe is the only one on the list that did not start all of the games played. If Billups puts him on the bench or at SF when Ant comes back, meet me in the melt down thread.
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I'll see you in the FireBillups thread that I will create.
 
I am certainly not a high IQ Bball mind. The one thing I do observe, is statements about what position a guy actually is....in a vacuum. Matchups matter.

Saying a guy is a SF, rather than a PF...depends on:

Who the opposing lineup is when said player in on the court
Whether you are focused on offense or defense of said player
How said player is being defended (man or zone)
Pace of the game when said player is on the court

It's like judging a TE in the NFL by catches...or size....or being open....but not seeing the differences in yardage between the 20's........and efforts in a goal line big package.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I was thinking Dame was Kiki in that scenario. Kiki was also our leading scorer at the time (similar to Dame) and wanted a trade to escape a 'terrible' situation with the Blazers.
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I mean, Grant is going to be way up there in scoring for us, and might be leading scorer by the trade deadline
 
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