Sharpe dilemma

[Portland2014]

First of all: this is a thread based on expectations of Sharpe being a 1st option on a championship team

So the standards are high

In order for us to have a good rebuild after Dame's departure we need to find a 1st option from the draft, everything else is less important

Given Scoot's early struggles Sharpe is our best option to potentially fill that role, but the big question is: is he potentially capable of doing it?

Watching him last year and the first part of this season I have huge concerns, here is what I see:

- He doesn't seem to have killer instinct, both on and off the court
Off the court he's shy and always sets for small goals during interviews, but being shy off the court wouldn't matter if it doesn't reflect on the court.
Unfortunately on the court he's always hiding in the corners and seems reclutant to take big shots and he always defer to the veterans, he doesn't have that good cockyness that greats always have.
It's not like he has Kobe Bryant and LeBron James ahead of him, it's Jerami Grant and Malcolm Brogdon.

- He doesn't use his left hand, he always goes right, if he goes left he only finish with dunks or with awkward finish with the right hand

- Maybe his biggest issue is his ball handling, everytime he puts the ball on the floor against good perimeters defenders he trips or his loses the handle
Maybe this aspect of the game is the one that makes him reclutant to shine in big moments

If Shaedon can't become a first option i think we're once again in trouble of becoming a treadmill team like past years unless we get lucky in the draft

What do you guys think? Are you confident that Shaedon can become a 1st option?

 

[inconceivable]

He didn't say multiple MVPs and championships so you're probably correct.

Just kidding. Shaedon is the Tim Duncan type.

 

[inconceivable]

Pick 6-7 is our sweet spot for our Alphas

BRoy, Dame, Shaedon

Webster was the exception

 

[Portland2014]

This is what we need from Shaedon:

 

[inconceivable]

This is what we need from Shaedon:

This was 24 y/o BRoy

 

[Portland2014]

This was 24 y/o BRoy

4 years from now do you think Shaedon can reach that level?

I don't know if he can develop BRoy's charisma or ball handling or his in between game

One thing I forgot to mention is Shaedon's first step, he can't create separation from the defender with his first step

 

[Mediocre Man]

So we are hoping, IN 4 YEARS, that Sharpe who averages 20/5/3, .360 3pt can somehow get to the ASTRONOMICAL numbers of 22/5/5, .377 3pt

Fucking hell

 

[inconceivable]

So we are hoping, IN 4 YEARS, that Sharpe who averages 20/5/3, .360 3pt can somehow get to the ASTRONOMICAL numbers of 22/5/5, .377 3pt

Fucking hell

29 / 8 / 7, 0.4 3pt

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Love Brandon Roy, but I'm hoping like hell Shaedon's defense ends up being better. I'm tired of having our stars suck at defense.

 

[Mediocre Man]

29 / 8 / 7, 0.4 3pt

When did Mr Timberwolf average those numbers?

 

[blazerkor]

29 / 8 / 7, 0.4 3pt

I don't know if Shae's rebounds per game or assists per game will ever be quite that high or that he'll be the sniper that averages over 40% from three but I do think he'll do better than 29ppg and have solid numbers in rebounds, assists, steals and blocks.

The dude is... to quote Trent (Vince Vaughn) from Swingers, "... so money and (he) doesn't even know it." He will know it soon enough, just like it took him time to get certain things last season, this season will be no different the young guy is learning the game and what he can do within it. There is no dilemma, just people being impatient. Shaedon isn't demonstrative like Jordan or Kobe but he does remind me of the mindset of TMac. Shaedon will need other guys around him to be huge personalities and get other stuff done but I think we have a couple of those pieces in Scoot and Deandre.

Fans of our team are just going to have to be patient or stupid.

 

[inconceivable]

When did Mr Timberwolf average those numbers?

I was saying Sharpe can get to those numbers when he's 24, better than B-Roy's at that age

 

[Portland2014]

So we are hoping, IN 4 YEARS, that Sharpe who averages 20/5/3, .360 3pt can somehow get to the ASTRONOMICAL numbers of 22/5/5, .377 3pt

Fucking hell

It's not only about the stats
Look also at the advanced stats BTW

And you are comparing stats of 15 years ago to now, the game has evolved, it's way easier to score

Imagine that BRoy in today's game

 

[wizenheimer]

the trick isn't getting to 27-30 points/game; the trick is getting to 27-30 points/game while leading the team to 50-60 wins and a playoff run

for Sharpe to get there, he's going to have to improve his handles quite a bit, especially the off-hand, improve his court vision, and expand his shot repertoire, especially in mid-range

when Brandon Roy averaged 23-5-5 he was leading the Blazers to a 54 win season; Dame averaged 26-5-7 leading the Blazers to a 53 win season and the WCF. That's the challenge for Sharpe. Roy and Dame were alpha dogs, that's another challenge for Sharpe because he seemingly don't have that attitude.

can Sharpe get there? I don't know about 29-30 ppg; 25-27 maybe....probably?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

The not having killer instinct is a lot of noise. He's 20. Didn't play in college. Let him come into his own. He's looking like a superstar in the making. It won't come in a day or even a year.

Enjoy the process.

 

[Mediocre Man]

It's not only about the stats
Look also at the advanced stats BTW

And you are comparing stats of 15 years ago to now, the game has evolved, it's way easier to score

Imagine that BRoy in today's game

I’d imagine the Timberwolves would be a good regular season team and fall apart in the playoffs due to his ISO centric game

 

[Whyachi]

the only thing that concerned me with Sharpe, was coach jacking his minutes and prohibiting his development. Things have changed rather suddenly, and we get extended bonus Shaedon coverage. Fun stuff

 

[Whyachi]

We spent all of last season watching Anfernee Simons grow some roots as a starting player. He had a few great nights and a handful of clutch performances. On other nights Ant had costly turnovers and forced some ugly offense. Simons was also very timid on defense. Almost shellshocked to be in there against the League's best players. It's a normal adaptation process for a young player.

Sharpe has 4 years less experience then Anfernee. I would say give him the same opportunity to grow as Portland gave Simons. You look at the boxscore and Shaedon is already posting Ant type numbers in just his 2nd season, not his 4th.

 

[Idog1976]

First of all: this is a thread based on expectations of Sharpe being a 1st option on a championship team

So the standards are high

In order for us to have a good rebuild after Dame's departure we need to find a 1st option from the draft, everything else is less important

Given Scoot's early struggles Sharpe is our best option to potentially fill that role, but the big question is: is he potentially capable of doing it?

Watching him last year and the first part of this season I have huge concerns, here is what I see:

- He doesn't seem to have killer instinct, both on and off the court
Off the court he's shy and always sets for small goals during interviews, but being shy off the court wouldn't matter if it doesn't reflect on the court.
Unfortunately on the court he's always hiding in the corners and seems reclutant to take big shots and he always defer to the veterans, he doesn't have that good cockyness that greats always have.
It's not like he has Kobe Bryant and LeBron James ahead of him, it's Jerami Grant and Malcolm Brogdon.

- He doesn't use his left hand, he always goes right, if he goes left he only finish with dunks or with awkward finish with the right hand

- Maybe his biggest issue is his ball handling, everytime he puts the ball on the floor against good perimeters defenders he trips or his loses the handle
Maybe this aspect of the game is the one that makes him reclutant to shine in big moments

If Shaedon can't become a first option i think we're once again in trouble of becoming a treadmill team like past years unless we get lucky in the draft

What do you guys think? Are you confident that Shaedon can become a 1st option?

Another concern trolling post from the guy who doesn't concern troll post.

 

[Idog1976]

So we are hoping, IN 4 YEARS, that Sharpe who averages 20/5/3, .360 3pt can somehow get to the ASTRONOMICAL numbers of 22/5/5, .377 3pt

Fucking hell

He's just a concern troll. "I'm concerned that are up and coming superstar, just isn't superstar enough.". "I'm concerned that Jordan in his 4th year can't seem to get past Detroit and Boston.".

 

[Labinot41]

first and foremost, get Grant, Brogdon and also Simons of the Team, and see what Shaedon and Scoot can do. Those two are the future

 

[MickZagger]

So we are hoping, IN 4 YEARS, that Sharpe who averages 20/5/3, .360 3pt can somehow get to the ASTRONOMICAL numbers of 22/5/5, .377 3pt

Fucking hell

Depends. Is Jerami Grant still on the team?

 

[Everything Beagle]

Depends. Is Jerami Grant still on the team?

I’m no Grant apologist but this is hilarious. The point is that Shae is already there; the two points and two assists difference are barely beyond statistical error. How is Grant the obstacle?

 

[Pinwheel1]

first and foremost, get Grant, Brogdon and also Simons of the Team, and see what Shaedon and Scoot can do. Those two are the future

Haven't we seen what he can do all year? He is averaging 39 minutes per game this season. He going to have good games and bad games. Making him play with less talent is not going to help him out. And it sure as hell won't benefit most fans.

 

[wizenheimer]

you know what the dilemma is? I can't decide whether to post in the Sharpe's Dilemma thread or Sharpe's Ceiling thread. I sure hope somebody doesn't make a Sharpe's Mystery thread

 

[cdub503]

Haven't we seen what he can do all year? He is averaging 39 minutes per game this season. He going to have good games and bad games. Making him play with less talent is not going to help him out. And it sure as hell won't benefit most fans.

Maybe i am putting words into his mouth but id be willing to bet he means he wants to see what sharpe and scoot can do without having to defer to a vet or someone whos been on the team longer/has a higher check, and force him to try and do more. I do agree they dont need less talent but they need talent that isn't going to take the ball out of their hands as much. But I do agree a handful of them need to go but maybe not all of them, just a matter of what kinda return we get out of it.

 

[Tince]

Haven't we seen what he can do all year? He is averaging 39 minutes per game this season. He going to have good games and bad games. Making him play with less talent is not going to help him out. And it sure as hell won't benefit most fans.

Agreed... Getting worse should not be the strategy. We're already bad.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Haven't we seen what he can do all year? He is averaging 39 minutes per game this season. He going to have good games and bad games. Making him play with less talent is not going to help him out. And it sure as hell won't benefit most fans.

I don't think anybody wants to trade them in a fire sale. We should get equal value in return, so he wouldn't be playing with less talent.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't think anybody wants to trade them in a fire sale. We should get equal value in return, so he wouldn't be playing with less talent.

I am not sure I have seen those proposals. Seems like they are usually ending contracts and draft picks....or something unrealistic. And if they are equal value then why make the trade?
No one is giving us equal value that is younger.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I am not sure I have seen those proposals. Seems like they are usually ending contracts and draft picks....or something unrealistic. And if they are equal value then why make the trade?
No one is giving us equal value that is younger.

Like when we traded Nurk for Ayton?

There are deals for these guys that will make sense.