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I apologize for humor in this thread...so many public shootings are numbing my brain..

I haven't seen a single public shooting in nearly 65 years of life.

That seems like maybe they are much rarer than you have been led to believe.

In reality, nearly every fatal shooting in the US (not counting the 67% of them that are suicides) is in a drug cartel-controlled neighborhood. Don't live there and you'll never have to worry about seeing one.
 
I haven't seen a single public shooting in nearly 65 years of life.

That seems like maybe they are much rarer than you have been led to believe.

In reality, nearly every fatal shooting in the US (not counting the 67% of them that are suicides) is in a drug cartel-controlled neighborhood. Don't live there and you'll never have to worry about seeing one.


[Shakes head in disbelief, and turns and walks away]
 
[Shakes head in disbelief, and turns and walks away]

And yet, of course it's indisputably true.

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Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders
25 Apr , 2017

You can examine the picture of the US counties in more detail by opening it in a new tab.

The Distribution of murders
The United States can really be divided up into three types of places. Places where there are no murders, places where there are a few murders, and places where murders are very common.

In 2014, the most recent year that a county-level breakdown is available, 54% of counties (with 11% of the population) have no murders. 69% of counties have no more than one murder, and about 20% of the population. These counties account for only 4% of all murders in the country.

The worst 1% of counties have 19% of the population and 37% of the murders. The worst 2% of counties contain 28% of the population and 51% of the murders. The worst 5% of counties contain 47% of the population and account for 68% of murders. But even within those counties the murders are very heavily concentrated in small areas.

Murders actually used to be even more concentrated. From 1977 to 2000, on average 73 percent of counties in any given year had zero murders. Possibly, this change is a result of the opioid epidemic’s spread to more rural areas. But that question is beyond the scope of this study. Lott’s book “More Guns, Less Crime” showed how dramatically counties within states vary dramatically with respect to murder and other violent crime rates.



Breaking down the most dangerous counties in Figure 2 shows over half the murders occur in just 2% of the counties, 37% in just the worst 1% of the counties.



Figure 1 illustrates how few counties have a significant number of murders. Figure 3 further illustrates that with a cumulative perspective. 54% of counties have zero murders, 69% have at most one murder, 76% have at most two murders, and so on. To put it differently, only the top four percent of the counties have 16 or more murders.

In 2014, the murder rate was 4.4 per 100,000 people. If the 1% of the counties with the worst number of murders somehow were to become a separate country, the murder rate in the rest of the US would have been only 3.4 in 2014. Removing the worst 2% or 5% would have reduced the US rate to just 3.06 or 2.56 per 100,000, respectively.





Even within the Counties with the murders, the murders are heavily Concentrated within those counties
When you look at individual counties with a high number of murders, you find large areas with few murders. Take Los Angeles County, with 526 murders in 2014, the most of any county in the US. The county has virtually no murders in the northwestern part of the county. There was only one murder each in Beverly Hills, Hawthorne, and Van Nuys. Clearly, different parts of the county face very different risks of murder.

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The map below shows the distribution of murders in Indianapolis, with 135 murders. Although the city extends well beyond the 465 Highway that encircles downtown Indianapolis, there are only four murders outside of that loop. The northern half of the city within 465 also has relatively few murders.



Washington, DC has large areas without murders. 14th Street NW divides the eastern and western parts of the district, with murders overwhelmingly limited to the eastern half. The area around the capitol is also extremely safe.

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Here is the murder map for Dallas.

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Here are Chicago’s murders through the first 4.5 months of 2017 (there were 222 homicides by that point). One small neighborhood, Austin, accounts over 25 murders. But 23 of the 77 neighborhoods in the city have zero murders, and most of the 40 neighborhoods in orange have only one murder. Twelve of the neighborhoods have 10 or more murders.



In a study in the journal Criminology, David L. Weisburd has a paper titled “The law of crime concentration and the criminology of place” that shows for eight cities 25% of violent crime occurred on one percent of the streets and that about half occurred on five percent of the streets.

Gun Ownership
According to a 2013 PEW Research Center survey, the household gun ownership rate in rural areas was 2.11 times greater than in urban areas (“Why Own a Gun? Protection is Now Top Reason,” PEW Research Center, March 12, 2013). Suburban households are 28.6% more likely to own guns than urban households. Despite lower gun ownership, urban areas experience much higher murder rates. One should not put much weight on this purely “cross-sectional” evidence over one point in time and many factors determine murder rates, but it is still interesting to note that so much of the country has both very high gun ownership rates and zero murders.

Conclusion
This study shows how murders in the United States are heavily concentrated in very small areas. Few appreciate how much of the US has no murders each year. Murder isn’t a nationwide problem. It’s a problem in a very small set of urban areas, and any solution must reduce those murders.

Data
The number of murders for each county Excel file_2014 For the column FIPS_CTY, 777 is for Tribal Agencies’ data and 999 is State Police data. The data is originally from the FBI UCR and is available from the University of Michigan’s ICPSR. What the county and state codes number correspond to are provided here.

Robert Muggah (Igarapé Institute) says “that 99% of violence in the USA is concentrated in 5% of street addresses.

https://crimeresearch.org/2017/04/n...54-us-counties-2014-zero-murders-69-1-murder/
 
^^^nice try, but again, a total fail.

So you're suggesting that we should simply desert all metro areas and move to the country. ...brilliant, simply brilliant !

But by all means, keep googling and copying and pasting, and then maybe, just maybe you'll finally figure things out and learn to think for yourself, but I seriously doubt it.
 
I haven't seen a single public shooting in nearly 65 years of life.

That seems like maybe they are much rarer than you have been led to believe.

In reality, nearly every fatal shooting in the US (not counting the 67% of them that are suicides) is in a drug cartel-controlled neighborhood. Don't live there and you'll never have to worry about seeing one.

I haven't had a single need to ever own a gun in my OVER 65 years of life and I too have never seen a public shooting and I live in a major city, not a city of around 2000 people, but I know they happen and been happening much more frequently in the last few years. So what was your point again?
 
I haven't had a single need to ever own a gun in my OVER 65 years of life and I too have never seen a public shooting and I live in a major city, not a city of around 2000 people, but I know they happen and been happening much more frequently in the last few years. So what was your point again?

Is that a rhetorical question?
 
Solving mass shootings which have increased to 2 a week under Trump and are gaining momentum just this week with more guns is like putting out a house fire by hooking your hose up to a gas pump
 
Movie theaters, concerts, football watching parties, gay discos, churches, country music concerts, schools, schools and more schools.....it's not your fucking address that determines whether you'll see a mass shooting....it's the wack jobs you encounter ...some of them can actually drive cars to any location they choose. The redneck that shot those people at the country concert wasn't even living in the same state. Trying to make mass murder a cultural demographic is skewed. It's happened in rural Oregon which is pretty far from East LA.....recently most of our modern mass shooters are white males born here...gentrifying America isn't going to make America safer.
 
Is that a rhetorical question?

lol, well any question to maris should never really expect an answer as you're more likely to get a cut and paste of something irrelevant than an actual honest answer.
 
^^^nice try, but again, a total fail.

So you're suggesting that we should simply desert all metro areas and move to the country. ...brilliant, simply brilliant !

But by all means, keep googling and copying and pasting, and then maybe, just maybe you'll finally figure things out and learn to think for yourself, but I seriously doubt it.
Think things for himself? Who are you kidding.
 
So you're suggesting that we should simply desert all metro areas and move to the country. ...brilliant, simply brilliant !
I don’t think that’s the insinuation in that report. What it suggests is that perhaps 99% of areas shouldn’t be regulated according to the problems the other 1% perpetuates.
Rural communities where people use firearms as a viable tool shouldn’t be subject to laws made for adult children in cities who murder each other at unprecedented rates.
 
I don’t think that’s the insinuation in that report. What it suggests is that perhaps 99% of areas shouldn’t be regulated according to the problems the other 1% perpetuates.
Rural communities where people use firearms as a viable tool shouldn’t be subject to laws made for adult children in cities who murder each other at unprecedented rates.

So, do you suggest that taxes generated by the urban areas should not be used to prop the rural areas as well? Or do you suggest border posts around every city so no-one can drive an hour out of town to buy their illegal guns and bring them into the city?

This is not a reasonable suggestion.

Anyway, if people in rural areas really need their guns - why is it a problem to have the extra restrictions - do farmers really need AR15s? Should they not have background checks?
 
I don’t think that’s the insinuation in that report. What it suggests is that perhaps 99% of areas shouldn’t be regulated according to the problems the other 1% perpetuates.
Rural communities where people use firearms as a viable tool shouldn’t be subject to laws made for adult children in cities who murder each other at unprecedented rates.

That doesn't make sense and I don't understand your point. And I seriously doubt that maris even reads what he copies and pastes.
 
I don’t think that’s the insinuation in that report. What it suggests is that perhaps 99% of areas shouldn’t be regulated according to the problems the other 1% perpetuates.
Rural communities where people use firearms as a viable tool shouldn’t be subject to laws made for adult children in cities who murder each other at unprecedented rates.
How do you make laws that leave out 99% of the country? How do you make laws that leave out any of the country?
 
Doing specific legislation for what and where the gun problems are is interesting.

Men do 94% of illegal shootings. Might be easier to just ban men from owning guns.
 
Movie theaters, concerts, football watching parties, gay discos, churches, country music concerts, schools, schools and more schools.....it's not your fucking address that determines whether you'll see a mass shooting....it's the wack jobs you encounter ...some of them can actually drive cars to any location they choose. The redneck that shot those people at the country concert wasn't even living in the same state. Trying to make mass murder a cultural demographic is skewed. It's happened in rural Oregon which is pretty far from East LA.....recently most of our modern mass shooters are white males born here...gentrifying America isn't going to make America safer.

When I am at the theatre, the store, work (which is in a school) I am always aware of my surroundings. Always keeping an eye out. Constant vigilance.
 
lol...if that happens there will be a lot of dead husbands. :bgrin:

Yeah, but wifes kill their husbands secretly with poison. Guns won't stop that.

P.S.

The lifetime network needs to be taken off the air. All it is comprised of is movies, shows, and documentaries of wives killing their husbands. Not a good influence.
 
I don’t think that’s the insinuation in that report. What it suggests is that perhaps 99% of areas shouldn’t be regulated according to the problems the other 1% perpetuates.
Rural communities where people use firearms as a viable tool shouldn’t be subject to laws made for adult children in cities who murder each other at unprecedented rates.

Then everyone would move to where the law isn't subject.
 
Yeah, but wifes kill their husbands secretly with poison. Guns won't stop that.

Agreed...women can be extremely vindictive though, and I would not be surprised if those poisoned husbands were also shot after they were already dead.
 
Then everyone would move to where the law isn't subject.

Probably a better idea would be to incarcerate all known members of all known gangs and cartels. They are well known to law enforcement and they are the direct and indirect cause of the majority of ALL CRIME in America.

Erase them from society. These criminals have no value. They are not an asset. Stop shielding them from prosecution, stop releasing them early, stop providing them sanctuary if they are illegally here, stop reducing charges to get easier convictions, stop trading leniency for information on others.
 
Probably a better idea would be to incarcerate all known members of all known gangs and cartels. They are well known to law enforcement and they are the direct and indirect cause of the majority of ALL CRIME in America.

Erase them from society. These criminals have no value. They are not an asset. Stop shielding them from prosecution, stop releasing them early, stop providing them sanctuary if they are illegally here, stop reducing charges to get easier convictions, stop trading leniency for information on others.


Ummm, that would Trump's responsibility, no?

If he can arbitrarily jail adults and children near the border, rounding up "well known gangs and cartels" should be no challenge, no?
 
lol...if that happens there will be a lot of dead husbands. :bgrin:
I better keep my fingers crossed and my wife happy because it's been many years since I've been able to hunt and consequently I have no idea where my rifle and shotgun are. My wife knows where everything is including the ammunition.
 
Probably a better idea would be to incarcerate all known members of all known gangs and cartels. They are well known to law enforcement and they are the direct and indirect cause of the majority of ALL CRIME in America.

Erase them from society. These criminals have no value. They are not an asset. Stop shielding them from prosecution, stop releasing them early, stop providing them sanctuary if they are illegally here, stop reducing charges to get easier convictions, stop trading leniency for information on others.
Would this include some very fine people in the KKK and Nazis?
 

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