Shooting at Reynolds High School

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You are basing that on the fact that not every person will obey the law. But most gun owners, do obey all gun laws. So, in most cases, gun owners would obey the law taking their firearms out of reach of their children without express authorization. And yes, some would slip by, and after the fact, it would be nice to lock up these bad parents. And if parents start getting locked up of this, then perhaps even more gun owners will see the wisdom of following the laws and make sure their guns are secured.

Not every law will address every situation. I know that the shooting is Walmart the other day it was known that the male shooter at some point in the recent past was pissed because he was a felon and was asking around online for people who would sell to him. He may had been too dumb to know that if he just kept quiet he could have bought a rifle from another owner and pretend it was legit. More info needs to come out about where they got their pistols. But the point is that not every law will work in every situation. So you try and find laws that can work together to limit the problem.



This one I just think is common sense. We want people walking around ready to defend us, but we want them to be adequately trained. At the walmart shooting the man who was killed (not the cops) had a CHL and was going to confront and stop the shooter, but didn't know there were two shooters and the woman ended up killing the good Samaritan. Perhaps if he had more training, he would have spent more time assessing the situation since they were not actively shooting anyone when he got himself killed. More training and he may have either realized there were two gunmen or perhaps realized there was nothing to gain in the confrontation, and to let the police handle the situation.



I now have to ask an employee to unlock a cage to sell me razor blades or Sudafed. If people are stealing, stores get pissed and will make sure that doesn't happen for long. Again, some people will get away with stealing from stores or from friends/relatives, but some won't be able to. Why have any laws since some people will break the law. Because many won't, and many will get caught in the process or simply be incapable of pulling it off. If you need 7.62 * .39 ammo, good luck easily finding the right stuff to steal. Just imagine someone is able to steal and are caught on camera in the process. Perhaps this will lead to an arrest before a massacre ever happens. Or they are caught in the process and a massacre is stopped. Or they simply can't get their hands on what they need and turn to less lethal alternatives where they stab one or two people vs. shoot 23.



I think you are wrong on a couple points. 1, some of these laws may actually be roadblocks that halt a massacre. 2, Some of these laws will lead towards arrests that end up preventing massacres. 3, Some of these laws assure that those who do have weapons in public are better equipped to know when and how to use guns. 4, Some of these laws will make tracking and sales of these guns easier to follow and to reduce the number of suns in the hands of those who shouldn't have them.



There are no laws that will fix everything. Things will slip through the cracks and massacres will happen again regardless. But these are common sense laws that will reduce risk in society while still allowing everyone who is legally allowed to own guns to continue to own guns to their hearts content.

I am not anti-gun. I have several and enjoy going to the range. next year I am planning my first hunts. But there has to be a balance and too much control has been given to the NRA and their ability to squash any gun legislation even when the legislation doesn't impinge or infringe on ones ability to own guns.

I don't enjoy going to the range and I hate to hunt. I keep a weapon handy because it is my responsibility to defend myself and those that depend on me, no one else is charged with this task. If you think about it, we are all in this situation. I don't think you can pass a law that would change it, the second amendment acknowledges the situation.

Now on the other hand parent are responsible for making citizens of thier children and we damn well better hold them to task, the job needs to be done.
 
I don't enjoy going to the range and I hate to hunt. I keep a weapon handy because it is my responsibility to defend myself and those that depend on me, no one else is charged with this task. If you think about it, we are all in this situation. I don't think you can pass a law that would change it, the second amendment acknowledges the situation.

Now on the other hand parent are responsible for making citizens of thier children and we damn well better hold them to task, the job needs to be done.

There are already laws regarding what one needs to accomplish to have a CHL. In Nevada for example, you need to qualify at a range with each individual handgun you want to be able to carry. My friend who lives there had to be qualified on 6 different guns, each one requiring very specific qualifications and it ended up costing him a pretty penny. In California, the CHL's are offered county by county, and if you don't have one for a county next to the one you live in, you best not carry. CHL laws already vary state to state and in some cases county to county. I see no reason why more stringent qualifications could not be required.

I would even like to see different levels of CHL, a common level that would allow us to basically carry where we go now, but I would not mind a much more difficult-to-get level that would allow one to carry into many areas that are currently no-guns allowed, like schools. I would like if a teacher for example was willing to put in a range trip every month and continuing education and receive bi-annual counseling and certification, to be allowed to earn a CHL that included school zones.

I just don't want incompetent shooters to be carrying guns in public. And this might include you, if you were not willing to prove your abilities. You are now 70+ years old, i don't think it's a bad idea to have you send some rounds down range and prove you are capable.
 
There are already laws regarding what one needs to accomplish to have a CHL. In Nevada for example, you need to qualify at a range with each individual handgun you want to be able to carry. My friend who lives there had to be qualified on 6 different guns, each one requiring very specific qualifications and it ended up costing him a pretty penny. In California, the CHL's are offered county by county, and if you don't have one for a county next to the one you live in, you best not carry. CHL laws already vary state to state and in some cases county to county. I see no reason why more stringent qualifications could not be required.

I would even like to see different levels of CHL, a common level that would allow us to basically carry where we go now, but I would not mind a much more difficult-to-get level that would allow one to carry into many areas that are currently no-guns allowed, like schools. I would like if a teacher for example was willing to put in a range trip every month and continuing education and receive bi-annual counseling and certification, to be allowed to earn a CHL that included school zones.

I just don't want incompetent shooters to be carrying guns in public. And this might include you, if you were not willing to prove your abilities. You are now 70+ years old, i don't think it's a bad idea to have you send some rounds down range and prove you are capable.

Ha! I don't think I will be needing your permission. You have no idea the training and practice I have seen and you need not be concerned with it.
 
I went to high school at Reynolds. Graduated 2004. I was in the district from preschool to 12th grade. my sister graduated in 2011. I'm extremely torn up in side about this shooting. You never imagine it could happen at your school. Coach rispler was a p.e. teacher of mine when I attended. Knowing where everything is in the high school, how everything went down is replaying in my mind.

The area where the high school is, is extremely nice. I've never felt any danger whatsoever around the high school. The only area of Gresham I ever encounter gang related violence is Rockwood, and that's at night not during the day.

Troutdale was a fantastic place to grow up. I'm in shock.

I'm actually disappointed this thread was turned into another gun debate.

May the victim rest in peace, and the shooter rot in Hell. This is an absolute tragedy. It hurts deeply.
 
I went to high school at Reynolds. Graduated 2004. I was in the district from preschool to 12th grade. my sister graduated in 2011. I'm extremely torn up in side about this shooting. You never imagine it could happen at your school. Coach rispler was a p.e. teacher of mine when I attended. Knowing where everything is in the high school, how everything went down is replaying in my mind.

The area where the high school is, is extremely nice. I've never felt any danger whatsoever around the high school. The only area of Gresham I ever encounter gang related violence is Rockwood, and that's at night not during the day.

Troutdale was a fantastic place to grow up. I'm in shock.

I'm actually disappointed this thread was turned into another gun debate.

May the victim rest in peace, and the shooter rot in Hell. This is an absolute tragedy. It hurts deeply.

I'm part of that . . . and you are right, it's insensitive and disrespectful to the victim(s).

FWIW- I got so emotional over the topic and so frustrated with this happening in our own state I jumped in and wanted to argue everything from gun control to politicians to luggage rules.

I'm going to take some time out to grieve for the students and victims at Reynolds HS. This is in are own backyard and I can't imagine the emotions parents and students who attend there are going through.

Peace
 
I too apologize for turning this into a debate over personal views, as many of you I'm sure know I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut about things I feel strongly about. Praying for peace and healing for the family and friends involved in this tragedy.
 
Damn, just realized this morning would have been the perfect time to rob a bank in Troutdale.
 
In the 1950’s, people laughed an average of 18 minutes a day - Currently, we laugh an average of 4-6 minutes a day.
 
Confidence is the mother of mistakes.

Ok we can go have a contest, winner gets $500. Strap it on how ever you like, 15 rounds in two clips, fastest time for all 15 rounds in the black Time starts empty handed, stops on the 15th round fired. Three targets, left right and center 30 degrees apart, Any round not in contact with the Black you lose. Coin flip for first to go.

I will use a Colt Gold Cup .45 ACP, what do you use?
 
Ok we can go have a contest, winner gets $500. Strap it on how ever you like, 15 rounds in two clips, fastest time for all 15 rounds in the black Time starts empty handed, stops on the 15th round fired. Three targets, left right and center 30 degrees apart, Any round not in contact with the Black you lose. Coin flip for first to go.

I will use a Colt Gold Cup .45 ACP, what do you use?

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Ok we can go have a contest, winner gets $500. Strap it on how ever you like, 15 rounds in two clips, fastest time for all 15 rounds in the black Time starts empty handed, stops on the 15th round fired. Three targets, left right and center 30 degrees apart, Any round not in contact with the Black you lose. Coin flip for first to go.

I will use a Colt Gold Cup .45 ACP, what do you use?

No offense, but if you have so much time spent behind a sidearm, why do you call magazines a clip?
 
In the 1950’s, people laughed an average of 18 minutes a day - Currently, we laugh an average of 4-6 minutes a day.

We are much more efficient nowadays. Back in the 50's, we laughed like this, "ha ha ha ha ha". Now we laugh like this, "lol".

barfo
 
No offense, but if you have so much time spent behind a sidearm, why do you call magazines a clip?

I haven't got a better answer than that is just what we called them. Thompson used magazines, so does an M16, but a .45 took a clip.
 
I haven't got a better answer than that is just what we called them. Thompson used magazines, so does an M16, but a .45 took a clip.

I grew up calling them clips, but I had it beaten into me by my military buddies.
 
We are much more efficient nowadays. Back in the 50's, we laughed like this, "ha ha ha ha ha". Now we laugh like this, "lol".

barfo

Smile. It's SlySkateboardDog.

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This one's better than Sly's:

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There's a flashlight on it.
 
I haven't got a better answer than that is just what we called them. Thompson used magazines, so does an M16, but a .45 took a clip.

Actually, on a ship, a magazine is where we store the 5" rounds.
 
Or maybe in a safe in an administrators office? Would work a little better than "gun free zone" dontcha think?

Giving teachers guns is completely idiotic. My mom was a teacher as are several relatives. I've dated teachers & am friends with others. I can't think of one of them or any of my past teachers that I would feel good about packing heat. Not one. Many I would feel very unsafe about knowing that they were.

How about instead of trying out wingnut policies that barely anyone supports, we try out what practically the whole country supports like universal background checks?

STOMP
 
Giving teachers guns is completely idiotic. My mom was a teacher as are several relatives. I've dated teachers & am friends with others. I can't think of one of them or any of my past teachers that I would feel good about packing heat. Not one. Many I would feel very unsafe about knowing that they were.

How about instead of trying out wingnut policies that barely anyone supports, we try out what practically the whole country supports like universal background checks?

STOMP

I agree about arming teachers. I don't think it would realistically work, and even if it did, would it have prevented what happened today? Probably not.

I just don't think that universal background checks is going to have the results that people want. Great, we do universal background checks, but how does that stop the kid from stealing his dad's gun? How does that stop the friend from breaking into your house and stealing your rifle that he knows you keep under your bed? It doesn't. I don't think it stops any of these shootings.

We need to treat the problem, and guns are not the problem. The problem is mentally deranged children who decide to kill their classmates. We need to do a better job of identifying these kids, and treating them. Parents need to do a better job of paying attention to their children. We need to stop this problem at the source. Figure out why these kids are getting to the point where they are ready to kill people, and then figure out how to prevent that from happening. It's the only way.
 
I agree about arming teachers. I don't think it would realistically work, and even if it did, would it have prevented what happened today? Probably not.

I just don't think that universal background checks is going to have the results that people want. Great, we do universal background checks, but how does that stop the kid from stealing his dad's gun? How does that stop the friend from breaking into your house and stealing your rifle that he knows you keep under your bed? It doesn't. I don't think it stops any of these shootings.




We need to treat the problem, and guns are not the problem. The problem is mentally deranged children who decide to kill their classmates. We need to do a better job of identifying these kids, and treating them. Parents need to do a better job of paying attention to their children. We need to stop this problem at the source. Figure out why these kids are getting to the point where they are ready to kill people, and then figure out how to prevent that from happening. It's the only way.



it blows my mind that so many people have their head in the sand on this topic of mental health for our citizen.


I want every single one of you to do a police ride-along. You'll get a great new respect for how many people are 'crazy'.
 
I enjoy reading peoples differing options on this, but I know what I feel. Like I said before I was trained and used many different weapons for four years while I'm the army.

I'm curious how many of you supporters of people being able to have guns have any real life experiences with tragedies like what happened today? I can tell you it changes how you feel. My sophomore year in HS a kid was shot and killed at out school right before a track meet. It was a one on one gang related death and it shook us.
The following year a very close friend of ours was gunned down at a kegger we were having at a park. One on one gang related as well.
And finally one week after HS graduation a very good friend of mine was gunned down on the corner of NE 15th and Alberta. Gang related one on one.

These tragedies have put a lasting impression on my beliefs about why anyone would "need" a gun in their lives.


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I enjoy reading peoples differing options on this, but I know what I feel. Like I said before I was trained and used many different weapons for four years while I'm the army.

I'm curious how many of you supporters of people being able to have guns have any real life experiences with tragedies like what happened today? I can tell you it changes how you feel. My sophomore year in HS a kid was shot and killed at out school right before a track meet. It was a one on one gang related death and it shook us.
The following year a very close friend of ours was gunned down at a kegger we were having at a park. One on one gang related as well.
And finally one week after HS graduation a very good friend of mine was gunned down on the corner of NE 15th and Alberta. Gang related one on one.

These tragedies have put a lasting impression on my beliefs about why anyone would "need" a gun in their lives.


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I get what you're saying HCP, but there isn't a magic wand that fixes this.

You can't say, "all guns are gone!" and *poof* we magically have no more guns in the United States.

The fact is, for a lot of Americans, their second amendment right is a line in the sand. If you try to take their guns, they will fight. So let me ask you, and I'm being serious, do you want to see this country thrust into a civil war over the right to bear arms? There are a lot of people who consider our 2nd amendment right as the only thing that keeps us from being completely controlled by the government, and they will fight and die if necessary to protect that right. I'm just being honest because I know people who feel that way. They will go to war if the government tries to take their guns. It's that serious to them.
 

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