Shooting at Reynolds High School

[Eastoff]

This is the shooter.

He used an AR-15 type of rifle, owned by his family, that he obtained after removing it from its secured storage place, said Troutdale Chief Scott Anderson.

They do not know of any link between Padgett and the student he killed, freshman Emilio Hoffman, 14. Padgett was carrying nine loaded magazines with the capability of holding several hundred rounds, authorities said. He also had a handgun that he did not fire and a knife.

 

[Sedatedfork]

This doesn't exactly sound like anyone thought this kid had any mental issues. Just a kid fascinated with guns who snapped?

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/i...ool_shooting_gunman.html#incart_most-comments

 

[BlazerCaravan]

OMG maybe not mentally ill? :MARIS61:

 

[MadeFromDust]

the U.S. has the best-armed civilian population in the world, with an estimated 270 million total guns. That’s an average of 89 firearms for every 100 residents — far ahead of Yemen, which comes in second with about 55 firearms for every 100 people, or Switzerland, which is third with 46 guns for every 100 people.

I don't see how you would be able to ever prevent stuff like this even if guns are banned, and in that case you would probably cause a civil war. More education about guns is needed, it's the 21st century so it's not like they're ever gonna get wiped out. Like was stated earlier how guns can be made out of 3D copiers now. That's something that should garner more attention IMO. And criminals can get guns because people give and sell them guns and they always will. Maybe bump the age for owning a gun up to 20 or 21 perhaps and require owners to take registered classes on how to own and responsibly use and keep a firearm. There are firearm safety courses you can take all over Portland anyway for a fee.

 

[RR7]

I don't see how you would be able to ever prevent stuff like this even if guns are banned, and in that case you would probably cause a civil war. More education about guns is needed, it's the 21st century so it's not like they're ever gonna get wiped out. Like was stated earlier how guns can be made out of 3D copiers now. That's something that should garner more attention IMO. And criminals can get guns because people give and sell them guns and they always will. Maybe bump the age for owning a gun up to 20 or 21 perhaps and require owners to take registered classes on how to own and responsibly use and keep a firearm. There are firearm safety courses you can take all over Portland anyway for a fee.

Agree on a lot of this. Criminals will find a way to get them. And some idiots will sell them to criminal because, hey, fuck it, it's money, right? If guns are registered, then you could punish people who illegally sold their gun(by making private transfer of guns without any sort of background checks, etc. illegal), if the gun was used in a crime. You buy a gun, you're responsible for it. If it's used in a crime, you should have taken better care of your gun. If you can't keep it from people, then you maybe shouldn't be allowed to own one.

 

[Natebishop3]

Someone linked this article on facebook. Really interesting take on things.

http://markmanson.net/school-shootings

These shooters know what they are doing. They’re not “crazy.” They don’t just “snap.” Most of them spend months or years planning their massacres. Elliot Rodger had apparently been planning his shooting for over a year. You don’t just show up with a 140-page manifesto and a large stockpile of weapons one day. You work at it for a long time. And you plan not only the violence, but the presentation for the audience, the performance — what they will see from you, what they will hear from you, the reasons why, the message. It’s all very conscious and deliberate.

And it works. Their killing sprees are specifically targeted to generate the most fear and uncertainty from the public, because the more fear and uncertainty they generate, the more attention they get. They then use all of the attention as a platform to promote themselves or whatever complaints they may have against society. It’s the Columbine formula. It works. And as Eric Harris pointed out in his journal, it’s not about the guns. It’s about the television. The films. The fame. The revolution.

If this sounds like a familiar strategy, that’s because it is.

For a country that is so single-mindedly obsessed with terrorism, it’s jaw-dropping that almost nobody recognizes that school shooters use the exact same strategies to disseminate fear and their twisted agendas throughout society. Terrorists use violence and mass media coverage to promote political or religious beliefs; school shooters use violence and mass media coverage to promote their personal grievances and glorification.

When viewed in this way, our responses to the school shooters looks juvenile in comparison. Can you imagine arguing over whether misogyny made Osama Bin Laden plan September 11th? Or whether video games caused Dhokhar Tsarnaev to plant bombs at the Boston Marathon? Or whether heavy music inspired Timothy McVeigh to blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City?

You would be laughed at.

And in fact, when anyone goes as far as to suggest that Islam causes terrorism, they are immediately and rightfully scolded for it. Yet when it comes to school shootings, these types of discussions are not only tolerated, but engaged in willfully.

 

[THE HCP]

Thanks for contributing nothing to the conversation HCP, other than to insult the people who are trying to discuss the topic.

We get it. You think all guns should be banned. Go circlejerk with the rest of the anti-gun crowd on Facebook.

How am I insulting anybody? Lost a lot of respect for you on this one man. Wait til you have a wife and kids...... It will really change how you view the world.


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5S...... FAMS!

 

[Natebishop3]

How am I insulting anybody? Lost a lot of respect for you on this one man. Wait til you have a wife and kids...... It will really change how you view the world.


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5S...... FAMS!

When you tell us that some of our posts are sickening, yes, you are insulting other people.

And if you lost respect for me because I think all this talk about guns is avoiding the bigger issue, then your respect didn't mean much to me in the first place.

 

[barfo]

You're right, you and others should just keep throwing out terms like "stricter regulations" and "common sense gun laws" because that will get the job done.

While you do that, I'll keep saying we need to cure cancer.

We do need to cure cancer. But people are actually working on that, instead of standing around saying "the constitution says we can't make new drugs, so we shouldn't even try to cure cancer"

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

We do need to cure cancer. But people are actually working on that, instead of standing around saying "the constitution says we can't make new drugs, so we shouldn't even try to cure cancer"

barfo

People are working on school shootings too. And you guys need to stop acting like there haven't been any changes to gun laws since the inception of the Bill of Rights.

 

[Further]

How am I insulting anybody? Lost a lot of respect for you on this one man. Wait til you have a wife and kids...... It will really change how you view the world.


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5S...... FAMS!

When you tell us that some of our posts are sickening, yes, you are insulting other people.

And if you lost respect for me because I think all this talk about guns is avoiding the bigger issue, then your respect didn't mean much to me in the first place.

Hey guys, these are emotionally charged topics, but I don't think either of you are coming at this in a malicious or hateful way. Both of you believe the best way to keep your loved ones safe is via your totally different approaches. So I understand being annoyed at the other person and thinking they are wrong, but no need to lose respect for eachother, neither of you will ever hurt a sole with any weapon in all likelihood.

I disagree with both of you, but completely respect both positions as coming from a thoughtful and heartfelt place.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hey guys, these are emotionally charged topics, but I don't think either of you are coming at this in a malicious or hateful way. Both of you believe the best way to keep your loved ones safe is via your totally different approaches. So I understand being annoyed that the other person and thinking they are wrong, but no need to lose respect for eachother, neither of you will ever hurt a sole with any weapon in all likelihood.

I disagree with both of you, but completely respect both positions as coming from a thoughtful and heartfelt place.

I find it laughable when someone says that they lost respect for someone on an internet forum. This is a place to discuss topics. If you disagree, so be it, but I'm not here to make friends. I'm here mostly to talk basketball. I care if my parents respect me. I care if my woman respects me. I don't care if HCP respects my opinions on gun rights. For him to even say that means that he can't discuss things without taking it personally. I hate people who unfriend on facebook because they disagree with what someone says. Get over yourselves and learn to debate a subject. Only a weak minded individual unfriends or blocks someone.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I've lost respect for everyone who has posted in this forum.

Including myself.

 

[barfo]

I find it laughable when someone says that they lost respect for someone on an internet forum. This is a place to discuss topics. If you disagree, so be it, but I'm not here to make friends. I'm here mostly to talk basketball. I care if my parents respect me. I care if my woman respects me. I don't care if HCP respects my opinions on gun rights. For him to even say that means that he can't discuss things without taking it personally. I hate people who unfriend on facebook because they disagree with what someone says. Get over yourselves and learn to debate a subject. Only a weak minded individual unfriends or blocks someone.

But Nate, wasn't it you who said you were insulted by HCP's post? Isn't that taking it personally?

barfo

 

[Further]

Me penis is not erect right now

 

[barfo]

People are working on school shootings too.

No doubt, but I think we are making better progress on cancer.

And you guys need to stop acting like there haven't been any changes to gun laws since the inception of the Bill of Rights.

Ok, that's true. There have been some changes to gun laws.

barfo

 

[THE HCP]

Nate I didn't realize we were friends on Facebook and I unfriended you.

I would like to think different people have respect for different people on here based on their opinions posted. I just can't respect somebody that supports guns like this. I don't know you personally, but guns have brought so much more bad than good into my life, I just can't look past it.

I'm not mad or losing my cool about it like yourself.


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5S...... FAMS!

 

[THE HCP]

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_school_shooting_armed_m.html


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5S...... FAMS!

 

[Natebishop3]

But Nate, wasn't it you who said you were insulted by HCP's post? Isn't that taking it personally?

barfo

I said that he was insulting people. I'm not the only person who feels the way that I do. I really don't care if my opinions sicken him.

 

[Natebishop3]

Nate I didn't realize we were friends on Facebook and I unfriended you.

I would like to think different people have respect for different people on here based on their opinions posted. I just can't respect somebody that supports guns like this. I don't know you personally, but guns have brought so much more bad than good into my life, I just can't look past it.

I'm not mad or losing my cool about it like yourself.


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5S...... FAMS!

Dude, you have only come into this thread to tell people that their opinions sicken you and that you have lost respect for them. That's the very definition of "losing your cool."

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_school_shooting_armed_m.html


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5S...... FAMS!

I bet you the NRA pays for his defense attorney.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I've lost respect for everyone who has posted in this forum.

Including myself.

What a jerk. At least I tried to make this thread not about gun agendas because the shooting hit too close to home for me and I didn't want to hear about it.

Honestly I'm offended by the way this thread turned out

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What a jerk. At least I tried to make this thread not about gun agendas because the shooting hit too close to home for me and I didn't want to hear about it.

Honestly I'm offended by the way this thread turned out

I'm offended that you're offended that I lost respect for you.

 

[THE HCP]

Dude, you have only come into this thread to tell people that their opinions sicken you and that you have lost respect for them. That's the very definition of "losing your cool."

I disagree. I haven't called anybody names or attacked them. This is now way off topic. Continue to believe what you want, I just hope you never have to deal with deaths of any friends of yours by somebody with a gun.


Sent from my baller ass iPhone 5S...... FAMS!

 

[MarAzul]

No, I personally don't think an ammendment is needed. I am not looking to restrict gun ownership. I am looking to make some common sense changes in other laws surrounding guns, like mandatory gun locks or safes of a certain quality for any firearm not on ones body or within a certain distance from their being (10 feet or 1000 feet, I don't have specifics.) I would like to see ammo much more regulated. I just ordered some Critical Duty rounds for one handgun over the internet, no age checks or anyone checking that I can legally own a gun. I think ammo purchases should be in person and ID. I think guns should be either sold through licensed gun shops, through FFL's, or be done at the local sheriff station where a background check can be administered, no private sales without a background check.

I don't believe any of these laws would violate the 2nd amendment, especially if they are administered at the state level.

A locked weapon is not a weapon at all. It might be a club but it is not a firearm useful for the purpose most people have as the reason to keep one handy. I load my own ammo, have for years. I don't see any good purpose in placing any more laws in place except to add restriction on people. Now I understand why you do not want to do an amendment, too hard, it would never pass. But I also note that you did not offer a restriction or a solution that would make one bit of difference in these shooting if an amendment were to be tried.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think everyone including the police should be allowed to have the same type of gun our founding fathers had. Everything else should be outlawed. There wouldn't be as many shootings and we would be following the 2nd amendment like our founding fathers envisioned we would.

I imagine bayonet stabbings would go way up.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think everyone including the police should be allowed to have the same type of gun our founding fathers had. Everything else should be outlawed. There wouldn't be as many shootings and we would be following the 2nd amendment like our founding fathers envisioned we would.

I imagine bayonet stabbings would go way up.

That's all they had when jlprk was growing up.

 

[blue32]

Uh from reading that article you can tell the kid had some shit wrong "upstairs".

Fascination with guns to an OCD level, things had to be perfect or else he would get upset (OCD), a Lit-report on Adolf Hitler with arguments in class over his views in which he takes as fact and not just his opinion, would constantly wear his uniform for ROTC, you had to be careful what you said around him, etc.

I mean all of that above is not normal for a kid. The descriptions of him from others leads me to believe he was having some serious identity and OCD type issues. With who knows what else going on (family life had a little blurb that it might be a little tough), bla bla.


IMO, this kid was suffering from a psychosis.

 

[MarAzul]

I think everyone including the police should be allowed to have the same type of gun our founding fathers had. Everything else should be outlawed. There wouldn't be as many shootings and we would be following the 2nd amendment like our founding fathers envisioned we would.

I imagine bayonet stabbings would go way up.

Your Post reminds me of the old Stoeger Gun Catalog that use to be printed once a year.
I use to read that from cover to cover from the time I was seven to when I joined the Navy.

It had the low down on every gun available all over the world. It had a special section in the back, which listed all the guns that were legal to be sold to the African Natives.
I am talking here about the 1940's and Colonial Africa, where only old model gun were legal to sell, mussel loaders for the most part. The goverments in charge in those day
sure didn't want the Natives to be getting really armed. I think of this every time I hear Barrack Obama speak on the subject. However many Democrats can prompt the
thought.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Your Post reminds me of the old Stoeger Gun Catalog that use to be printed once a year.
I use to read that from cover to cover from the time I was seven to when I joined the Navy.

It had the low down on every gun available all over the world. It had a special section in the back, which listed all the guns that were legal to be sold to the African Natives.
I am talking here about the 1940's and Colonial Africa, where only old model gun were legal to sell, mussel loaders for the most part. The goverments in charge in those day
sure didn't want the Natives to be getting really armed. I think of this every time I hear Barrack Obama speak on the subject. However many Democrats can prompt the
thought.

Obama was the best thing that ever happened to the gun industry. All those people freaking out, saying he was going to come in and take their guns so they ran out and bought as much guns and ammo as they could. I bet if you asked the CEOs of gun and ammo manufactures they would want Obama as president forever.