Shooting at Umpqua Community College: 10 dead

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magnifier661 said:
This is what I'm saying as well. So what if a federal legislation on background and mental health checks happen and violence is still a major problem. What do we do next? More legislation after legislation and civil liberties being compromised until one day we realize no citizen can obtain guns legally. Then what?

As I've said before, illegal drugs are still being sold, even when the government spends hundreds of millions of dollars to enforce the war on drugs. The criminals will still be able to obtain guns. Look at Mexico. They have a gun ban and the only ones with guns are the cartels and other violent criminals.

Maybe instead of punishing those that obey the laws, we should find positive solutions.
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It just seems like the trend is that something like Umpqua happens, and then all these people who know zero about guns or gun legislation take to social media screaming about how this must be stopped, and we need gun control!!111!!11!!!!1

They act as though there is zero gun control currently. Like anyone can just walk into a gun store, hand over some cash, and walk out. No questions asked. That's simply not true. If you want to buy a gun, you have to go through a background check. And in the case of this asshole, who reportedly owned three handguns and had been planning this for a while, how do you stop that? If he purchased them legally, and he planned it out so it wasn't spur of the moment, how do you stop that from happening?

I guess I just don't understand how there seems to be a huge demographic that doesn't actually want to find a way to prevent this from happening. They just want to get rid of guns. They aren't looking at the reason it happened. Guns aren't the reason it happened. This guy was starved for attention and he knew that shooting a bunch of people would get him attention. That's the REASON it happened. He was a disturbed, lonely, depressed individual. That's the REASON it happened. Guns were the method, but not the reason.

If I walked up and punched you in the face with no explanation. No words spoken. You would probably fight back, but afterwards you'd probably want to know why I punched you in the face, right? Did you wrong me somehow? Did you say something that pissed me off? Or maybe I'm just a nut job who walked up to the first person I saw and punched them in the face.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It just seems like the trend is that something like Umpqua happens, and then all these people who know zero about guns or gun legislation take to social media screaming about how this must be stopped, and we need gun control!!111!!11!!!!1

They act as though there is zero gun control currently. Like anyone can just walk into a gun store, hand over some cash, and walk out. No questions asked. That's simply not true. If you want to buy a gun, you have to go through a background check. And in the case of this asshole, who reportedly owned three handguns and had been planning this for a while, how do you stop that? If he purchased them legally, and he planned it out so it wasn't spur of the moment, how do you stop that from happening?

I guess I just don't understand how there seems to be a huge demographic that doesn't actually want to find a way to prevent this from happening. They just want to get rid of guns. They aren't looking at the reason it happened. Guns aren't the reason it happened. This guy was starved for attention and he knew that shooting a bunch of people would get him attention. That's the REASON it happened. He was a disturbed, lonely, depressed individual. That's the REASON it happened. Guns were the method, but not the reason.

If I walked up and punched you in the face with no explanation. No words spoken. You would probably fight back, but afterwards you'd probably want to know why I punched you in the face, right? Did you wrong me somehow? Did you say something that pissed me off? Or maybe I'm just a nut job who walked up to the first person I saw and punched them in the face.
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What are you proposing then?

Also, I'm a person who knows pretty much nothing about gun laws. When you say "background check", is that just the same background check that employers do? I think I've seen lots of people say that a mental health check should be included. Would you be against that?
 
The NRA is strong. It's not about your 2nd amendment people. It's about gun sales. Point Blank (no pun intended).

Follow the money and you will see the cause of the problem.
 
dviss1 said:
The NRA is strong. It's not about your 2nd amendment people. It's about gun sales. Point Blank (no pun intended).

Follow the money and you will see the cause of the problem.
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I followed the money. It led to Bloomberg. I agree he is the cause of the problem.
 
For those of you who believe having your guns is going to protect you from the government, You're gonna have to convince me that this guy with any LEGAL firearm can stop the government from taking it away...

 
dviss1 said:
The NRA is strong. It's not about your 2nd amendment people. It's about gun sales. Point Blank (no pun intended).

Follow the money and you will see the cause of the problem.
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Following the money of this issue leads to Big Pharma.
 
MARIS61 said:
I followed the money. It led to Bloomberg. I agree he is the cause of the problem.
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Yeah and if the government with their tanks, helicopters and bazookas really comes to take your shit away. There's nothing you can do about it. Those of you who think they can defend themselves from some imaginary war against the government need to get your heads examined.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think people who don't own guns don't understand that there already IS background checks. Hell, Oregon just passed a new law requiring that everyone has to pass background checks on private sales as well. So at this point, they have background checks in gun stores. They have background checks at gun shows. They have background checks on private sales.

Explain to me what other background checks are left to cover?
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So agree. I bought one like a year ago, had to wait for like two hours for them to do a background check through the fbi. Took forever. They even take your finger prints and run it through the system
 
dviss1 said:
No it leads right to the gun manufacturers.
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We're talking about these mass shootings. The common theme in many of the highly publicized cases are that they are on meds or have autism spectrum disorders. These issues are ignored. Behind all of this is the need of big pharma to keep the masses on their drugs.

The gun control/NRA connection is a political red herring masking the actual problem because its easy to be against the gun industry.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
We're talking about these mass shootings. The common theme in many of the highly publicized cases are that they are on meds or have autism spectrum disorders. These issues are ignored. Behind all of this is the need of big pharma to keep the masses on their drugs.

The gun control/NRA connection is a political red herring masking the actual problem because its easy to be against the gun industry.
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Shortsighted comment. That's not the only reason why gun deaths happen. In a domestic violence situation a woman is 12x more likely to be killed if a firearm is present.
 
dviss1 said:
Shortsighted comment. That's not the only reason why gun deaths happen. In a domestic violence situation a woman is 12x more likely to be killed if a firearm is present.
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We're talking about mass shootings, not domestic violence.
 
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q12013/list-of-45-mass-murders-and-pharma-drugs-they-were-on/

List of 45 Mass Murders and Pharma Drugs they were on
February 13, 2013. One month ago, and only three weeks after the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook, two well-known 2nd Amendment activists were found mysteriously murdered on two different rural roads on two different sides of the country. One of them, firearms manufacturer John Noveske, had posted one final warning on his Facebook page. It was a list of all the recent mass shootings, the kids responsible and the Big Pharma drugs they were taking. Within days, he was dead. Here is his list.

John Noveske

John Noveske’s company is one of the most celebrated rifle manufacturers in America. His firearms are widely considered to be some of the finest pieces of American-made hardware in the industry. In the days and weeks following the horrible tragedy in Newtown, CT and the frenzied call for gun control across the nation, many gun owners began to feel increasingly threatened.

But Noveske, one of the country’s foremost gun experts, had quickly become an expert in something else – Big Pharma drugs and their connection to mass shootings. While America’s corporate-owned news outlets invested hundreds of millions of dollars in broadcast air time to ceaselessly blame firearms for the skyrocketing number of mass killings, Noveske and millions of others noticed something else, something the media outlets funded by Big Pharma refuse to disclose for fear of upsetting their largest advertisers – all the people who carried out the bloody massacres were under the influence of pharmaceutical drugs.

Noveske took the results of his research to Facebook. There, he posted a detailed list of 45 of the most recent mass murders carried out by teenagers, young adults and even some small children. He also documented the exact pharmaceutical drugs each killer was taking at the time. As fate would have it, that would be the last Facebook post John Noveske would ever make. One week later on January 4, 2013, his lifeless body was found on the side of a rural Oregon road.
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JFizzleRaider said:
So agree. I bought one like a year ago, had to wait for like two hours for them to do a background check through the fbi. Took forever. They even take your finger prints and run it through the system
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So what? What you purchased was an instrument of death. The least you should have to do is go through a background check.
 
dviss1 said:
So what? What you purchased was an instrument of death. The least you should have to do is go through a background check.
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Uhhhh ok. I absolutely agree. I'm just saying. It's a lot harder to get one through gun stores, shows etc. than most people think.
 
I'm not sure if this has already been said in this thread. But they started a gofundme page for the hero Chris mintz. It's already raised 200k in five hours
 
dviss1 said:
No, the subject is gun deaths. I know the OP is specific but we have too many gun deaths. Those need to be prevented...
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If its simply preventing gun deaths, then its still a mental health issue as suicides by firearm are about double those by homicide.

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EL PRESIDENTE said:
If its simply preventing gun deaths, then its still a mental health issue as suicides by firearm are about double those by homicide.

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Still shortsighted. That's not the only reason why gun deaths happen.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Uhhhh ok. I absolutely agree. I'm just saying. It's a lot harder to get one through gun stores, shows etc. than most people think.
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Private sales are not regulated. Didn't know you agreed with the background check issue.
 
dviss1 said:
Still shortsighted. That's not the only reason why gun deaths happen.
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Its not short sighted, its the main cause of gun deaths and mass shootings.

Short sighted behavior is asking for more gun control which really doesnt work. Yeah, we pull up statistics from how white and asian countries with gun control have lower homicide rates blah blah blah. Its just an easy talking point and an avoidance of the real issue.

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OK people...
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its not short sighted, its the main cause of gun deaths and mass shootings.

Short sighted behavior is asking for more gun control which really doesnt work. Yeah, we pull up statistics from how white and asian countries with gun control have lower homicide rates blah blah blah.

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I disagree that it's the main cause of gun deaths.
 
dviss1 said:
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I disagree that it's the main cause of gun deaths.
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Like i said, suicides by firearm are double the homicide rate. And those are gun deaths.

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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Like i said, suicides by firearm are double the homicide rate. And those are gun deaths.

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Not everyone who kills themselves are on a Pharmaceutical.
 
dviss1 said:
Not everyone who kills themselves are on a Pharmaceutical.
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Well, wouldnt you say they would have mental health issues?

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