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Fonzthecpt1 said:
How was it a hate crime?
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Oh I don't know... If singling out a group and ask if they are Christian, they get a bullet to the brain. If they say they aren't Christian, they get a bullet to the leg. I'm pretty sure this scumbag hated Christians
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its a total agenda. On facebook you have these people posting some little meme about gun violence in this country or Jim Jeffries' comedy skit about gun control, but there are larger factors at work that people really can't talk about.

1. Mass shootings are the result of mental health issues.
2. Gun violence in this country and around the world is correlated with race and ethnicity, not gun control legislation.

Its super non-PC to say the above, but its true. Its damn true.
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It's clear from this map, which remains basically unchanged for the last 5 decades, that the only countries that have low murder rates are those that close their borders to dark-skinned people.

I certainly don't support blatant racism or closing our borders, but that what european countries practice and it is the only reason European countries have slightly lower murder rates than we do. They are the opposite of our melting pot population, hence less conflict.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
The difference is you would have less dead Jews, more dead nazis, but just as horrible a situation.
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So you've pretty much no idea at all how the most horrific war of the last century came about.

Home-schooled, or just too stoned to pay attention in 8th grade history class? :dunno:

The difference is you wouldn't have had 80 million people die around the world. You'd have had a failed power-grab by Hitler and his thugs and no war anywhere resulting from it.
 
dviss1 said:
Also, to say that Obama is at fault for the lack of Mental Healthcare in this country is even more delusional.

Kennedy tried to fix it and Republicans never funded his reform...

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Every President we've ever had is to blame because not a single one of them has ever done anything to help the most desperate 1/4th of our citizens.

Mental illnesses account for a larger proportion of disability in developed countries than any other group of illnesses, including cancer and heart disease. In 2004, an estimated 25% of adults in the United States reported having a mental illness in the previous year. The economic cost of mental illness in the United States is substantial, approximately $300 billion in 2002.
 
MARIS61 said:
So you've pretty much no idea at all how the most horrific war of the last century came about.

Home-schooled, or just too stoned to pay attention in 8th grade history class? :dunno:

The difference is you wouldn't have had 80 million people die around the world. You'd have had a failed power-grab by Hitler and his thugs and no war anywhere resulting from it.
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Outfit more people with guns and you cannot be sure Hitler would not have made it to power. His forces would have faced more opposition so there would have been more Nazi casualties, but you would still have the same situation of the rounding up and attempted rounding up of a group of people for extermination because of their beliefs and DNA.

Unless of course in your mind, in your little perfect picture, every single man woman and child is running around with a Luger.
 
dviss1 said:
Also, to say that Obama is at fault for the lack of Mental Healthcare in this country is even more delusional.

Kennedy tried to fix it and Republicans never funded his reform...

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Kennedy tried to do many great things, and was murdered by the MIC, whose servant LBJ reversed nearly everything JFK put into motion. It was a coup, that Eisenhower warned was coming, and it was 100% successful.

Your video is very telling in that John Oliver could only find Republican candidates addressing mental healthcare, not a single Democrat. It is one of several reasons I am leaving the Democratic Party after being a lifetime member.
 
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MARIS61 said:
Kennedy tried to do many great things, and was murdered by the MIC, whose servant LBJ reversed nearly everything JFK put into motion. It was a coup,

Your video is very telling in that John Oliver could only find Republican candidates addressing mental healthcare, not a single Democrat. It is one of several reasons I am leaving the Democratic Party after being a lifetime member.
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Trump has your vote!
 
dviss1 said:
I saw him take his opportunity to grandstand. He is doing the same thing he blames Obama for.
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Wow.

Way to show compassion for a victim who was asked his opinion.

He probably should just STFU and be glad Obama doesn't check his background for speaking freely.

SlyPokerDog must have been raised by a pack of rats.
 
Denny Crane said:
Trump has your vote!
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He may indeed. If he lives long enough.

I also really like Democratic candidate Jim Webb, whose record and views are similar to Kennedy's.

But the Democratic Party and all major media are completely and deliberately ignoring him, hoping he'll fade away from non-recognition despite the fact that he's actively campaigning state to state. His views are basically what the party used to stand for before it was sold to the highest bidder.
 
MARIS61 said:
He may indeed. If he lives long enough.

I also really like Democratic candidate Jim Webb, whose record and views are similar to Kennedy's.

But the Democratic Party and all major media are completely and deliberately ignoring him, hoping he'll fade away from non-recognition despite the fact that he's actively campaigning state to state. His views are basically what the party used to stand for before it was sold to the highest bidder.
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Funny that you mentioned that. I seriously think the establishment will try and off him
 
The party stood for slavery and segregation and warmongering.
 
dviss1 said:
All of you people pushing for "Mental Health" to be looked at need look no further than Fucking Reagan.

Now, WTF do you all plan on doing about Mental health? I've still heard NO proposals. Just "look at Mental Health".

What would be actionable by police?
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WTF do police have to do with mental health, other than most cops are mentally ill?
 


"I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.";

-- Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its a total agenda. On facebook you have these people posting some little meme about gun violence in this country or Jim Jeffries' comedy skit about gun control, but there are larger factors at work that people really can't talk about.

1. Mass shootings are the result of mental health issues.
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Pretty sure you can talk about that freely. I think everyone would agree that someone who would shoot up a school is mentally ill.

2. Gun violence in this country and around the world is correlated with race and ethnicity, not gun control legislation.

Its super non-PC to say the above, but its true. Its damn true.
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I don't care that it's not PC, but I do care that you assert it without presenting any data.

Secondly, even if we assume that your assertion is true, how does that help us? Shall we lock up or exterminate all the members of whichever race you think is the problem?

barfo
 
barfo said:
Pretty sure you can talk about that freely. I think everyone would agree that someone who would shoot up a school is mentally ill.



I don't care that it's not PC, but I do care that you assert it without presenting any data.

Secondly, even if we assume that your assertion is true, how does that help us? Shall we lock up or exterminate all the members of whichever race you think is the problem?

barfo
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But people don't really talk about it. The first thing they jump on is "gun control this" and "gun control that". Its the easy and wrong answer to the problem.



Knock yourself out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
If you sort homicides by low to high, its generally asian countries, then anglo-saxon countries, then latin american countries.

If my assertion holds true, then gun control is relatively useless and a waste of time. The differences are cultural and mental.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
But people don't really talk about it. The first thing they jump on is "gun control this" and "gun control that". Its the easy and wrong answer to the problem.



Knock yourself out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
If you sort homicides by low to high, its generally asian countries, then anglo-saxon countries, then latin american countries.

If my assertion holds true, then gun control is relatively useless and a waste of time. The differences are cultural and mental.
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If your assertion is true (and I think anyone who thinks about it for a second will realize there are a lot more factors at play here than just race), that doesn't say anything at all about the efficacy or lack thereof of gun control.

barfo
 
barfo said:
If your assertion is true (and I think anyone who thinks about it for a second will realize there are a lot more factors at play here than just race), that doesn't say anything at all about the efficacy or lack thereof of gun control.

barfo
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Race/ethnicity is probably the defining factor when it comes to looking at gun deaths in a country. Hell, if you look at this country I'm sure the different ethnic groups' homicide deaths per capita reflect worldwide stats by ethnicity.

Sure, how sunny a country is probably plays a role. Gun Control too.
The problem is cultural and culture stems from ethnicity.
 
Not sure how reliable this is, but I'm sure its not too far off:

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Most news outlets show this:
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When it actually should look like this:

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Where are the stats showing gun control is actually effective?

Most people just say "oh, in Australia or England there are no deaths!". Yeah, both those countries are like 90% white, which are shown worldwide and even when looking at the US are pretty low.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Outfit more people with guns and you cannot be sure Hitler would not have made it to power. His forces would have faced more opposition so there would have been more Nazi casualties, but you would still have the same situation of the rounding up and attempted rounding up of a group of people for extermination because of their beliefs and DNA.
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Let's try to be somewhat realistic here.

You can't round up 6,000,000 armed people unless they let you.

You wouldn't even consider trying to.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Where are the stats showing gun control is actually effective?

Most people just say "oh, in Australia or England there are no deaths!". Yeah, both those countries are like 90% white, which are shown worldwide and even when looking at the US are pretty low.
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Roseburg, Oregon is 90% white.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Columbine, Colorado is 94% white. Newtown, CT is 95% white.

barfo
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These mass shootings are all outliers. Their effect on net gun homicide deaths in the country probably not even measurable. Psychologically, they are more damaging BECAUSE they happen in white communities, because its something that is very uncommon and is unexpected. They are carried out by mentally ill people, people who deviate from the normal behavior of those of their race/ethnicity, whereas most of the homicides from ethnic groups are cultural in nature and can be predicted, as shown by worldwide patterns and by the ethnic makeup of a community and their crime statistics.
 
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