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KingSpeed said:
No it wouldn't. Why do you want to trade the best big man in the league? To be fair, I'd didn't think it was an awful trade during offseason, but obviously now, it's a bad deal.
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I never said I wanted to trade him, just that I think it is a pretty fair deal. My response was to this:
Remember when some of you guys were fine with trading Aldridge for Lee, Barnes and Klay? Or how about the Monroe, stucky and first rounder?

I agree about the Monroe deal being really bad now but Klay and Barnes are still very good and developing players who would fit in with this team really well and would really bolster our bench with a ton of talent. Lee while not spectacular would be a nice offensive and rebounding big. If we HAD to trade LMA that would be one of the deals I'd prefer
 
ponderguy said:
I never said I wanted to trade him, just that I think it is a pretty fair deal. My response was to this:
Remember when some of you guys were fine with trading Aldridge for Lee, Barnes and Klay? Or how about the Monroe, stucky and first rounder?

I agree about the Monroe deal being really bad now but Klay and Barnes are still very good and developing players who would fit in with this team really well and would really bolster our bench with a ton of talent. Lee while not spectacular would be a nice offensive and rebounding big. If we HAD to trade LMA that would be one of the deals I'd prefer
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This. The Golden State trade was the only one that was rumored and actually didn't sound horrible.
 
ponderguy said:
I never said I wanted to trade him, just that I think it is a pretty fair deal. My response was to this:
Remember when some of you guys were fine with trading Aldridge for Lee, Barnes and Klay? Or how about the Monroe, stucky and first rounder?

I agree about the Monroe deal being really bad now but Klay and Barnes are still very good and developing players who would fit in with this team really well and would really bolster our bench with a ton of talent. Lee while not spectacular would be a nice offensive and rebounding big. If we HAD to trade LMA that would be one of the deals I'd prefer
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I think what KS is getting at is Okay, Lee is a nice offensive and rebounding big... but LMA is doing that BETTER, so we would lose there. Klay would be a redundancy of Batum, who we get MORE out of with the assists and rebounds and overall better stats, where Klay is just a shooter primarily. With Barnes... he's good, but with this trade we would already be behind and Barnes doesn't cover that slack.
 
Strenuus said:
I think what KS is getting at is Okay, Lee is a nice offensive and rebounding big... but LMA is doing that BETTER, so we would lose there. Klay would be a redundancy of Batum, who we get MORE out of with the assists and rebounds and overall better stats, where Klay is just a shooter primarily. With Barnes... he's good, but with this trade we would already be behind and Barnes doesn't cover that slack.
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I dunno - Barnes and Klay replacing Mo and Wright would give us one potent bench, and would likely make up for the drop-off from LMA to Lee. Our bench could probably average >35ppg depending on how many minutes Barnes/Klay got.
 
blue9 said:
I dunno - Barnes and Klay replacing Mo and Wright would give us one potent bench, and would likely make up for the drop-off from LMA to Lee. Our bench could probably average >35ppg depending on how many minutes Barnes/Klay got.
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I see that, but whenever you're trading for a starter, I expect them to be starting for the team they are traded for unless age is a factor, which for Klay obviously isn't.
 
Strenuus said:
I think what KS is getting at is Okay, Lee is a nice offensive and rebounding big... but LMA is doing that BETTER, so we would lose there. Klay would be a redundancy of Batum, who we get MORE out of with the assists and rebounds and overall better stats, where Klay is just a shooter primarily. With Barnes... he's good, but with this trade we would already be behind and Barnes doesn't cover that slack.
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Klay's more a redundancy of Matthews than anything else. Either way, with this deal, we would have been trying to find minutes for Thompson, Matthews, Barnes, and Batum, which simply wouldn't have worked. Also, we wouldn't have had enough cap-space to be able to trade for both Robinson AND Lopez (Lee/Klay/HFB make 4.3M more than LMA), so we wouldn't have picked up Lopez (especially since we wouldn't have been trying to placate an unhappy Aldridge), so that would have been another major effect.

Hindsight 20/20, we're very fortunate this never happened.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Klay's more a redundancy of Matthews than anything else. Either way, with this deal, we would have been trying to find minutes for Thompson, Matthews, Barnes, and Batum, which simply wouldn't have worked. Also, we wouldn't have had enough cap-space to be able to trade for both Robinson AND Lopez (Lee/Klay/HFB make 4.3M more than LMA), so we wouldn't have picked up Lopez (especially since we wouldn't have been trying to placate an unhappy Aldridge), so that would have been another major effect.

Hindsight 20/20, we're very fortunate this never happened.
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Well said! Repped.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Klay's more a redundancy of Matthews than anything else. Either way, with this deal, we would have been trying to find minutes for Thompson, Matthews, Barnes, and Batum, which simply wouldn't have worked. Also, we wouldn't have had enough cap-space to be able to trade for both Robinson AND Lopez (Lee/Klay/HFB make 4.3M more than LMA), so we wouldn't have picked up Lopez (especially since we wouldn't have been trying to placate an unhappy Aldridge), so that would have been another major effect.

Hindsight 20/20, we're very fortunate this never happened.
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If we had made the trade, I would have looked to move Batum to Detroit for Monroe.

Dame
Thompson
Barnes
Monroe
Lopez

It is arguable whether our current starting five would be better long term than that starting five.
 
And remember, the forum asked for Klay and Barnes with Lee. The rumor was only klay or Barnes with Lee, so realistically the rumor was even less if a value.
 
magnifier661 said:
And remember, the forum asked for Klay and Barnes with Lee. The rumor was only klay or Barnes with Lee, so realistically the rumor was even less if a value.
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This is true. I think most of us rejected the idea of JUST Klay and Lee, or Barnes and Lee.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If we had made the trade, I would have looked to move Batum to Detroit for Monroe.

Dame
Thompson
Barnes
Monroe
Lopez

It is arguable whether our current starting five would be better long term than that starting five.
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Everything is arguable.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Klay's more a redundancy of Matthews than anything else. Either way, with this deal, we would have been trying to find minutes for Thompson, Matthews, Barnes, and Batum, which simply wouldn't have worked. Also, we wouldn't have had enough cap-space to be able to trade for both Robinson AND Lopez (Lee/Klay/HFB make 4.3M more than LMA), so we wouldn't have picked up Lopez (especially since we wouldn't have been trying to placate an unhappy Aldridge), so that would have been another major effect.

Hindsight 20/20, we're very fortunate this never happened.
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We'd have to go small ball some of the time, Barnes is really good in that role. I think GS should be going with Curry-Klay-Iggy-Barnes-Bogut as their starting 5. If we think we have good shooting now just imagine a lineup of Dame,Wes or Klay, Batum and Barnes with Lopez and Lee splitting time at C.
 
ponderguy said:
We'd have to go small ball some of the time, Barnes is really good in that role. I think GS should be going with Curry-Klay-Iggy-Barnes-Bogut as their starting 5. If we think we have good shooting now just imagine a lineup of Dame,Wes or Klay, Batum and Barnes with Lopez and Lee splitting time at C.
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It would suck, just like Golden State is sucking now
 
magnifier661 said:
It would suck, just like Golden State is sucking now
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I guarantee we will have a stretch where we go around 13-10. Just because they didn't have a hot start like we did doesn't mean they aren't a good team. If you go through their schedule most of their losses are against really good teams
 
ponderguy said:
I guarantee we will have a stretch where we go around 13-10. Just because they didn't have a hot start like we did doesn't mean they aren't a good team. If you go through their schedule most of their losses are against really good teams
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Wanna wager that Portland will have a stretch of 13-10? I am 100% certain that will never happen.
 
magnifier661 said:
Wanna wager that Portland will have a stretch of 13-10? I am 100% certain that will never happen.
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Best chance would probably be in late Feb to early April. We have 2 tough 5-game road trips, sandwiched around GSW, MEM, LAL, etc.

I'm not projecting it, but that's probably when it would be closest to happening.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Best chance would probably be in late Feb to early April. We have 2 tough 5-game road trips, sandwiched around GSW, MEM, LAL, etc.

I'm not projecting it, but that's probably when it would be closest to happening.
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Yep and hopefully then we've really turned the corner!
 
It's interesting to think that even if the Blazers did have a 13-10 stretch, they'd still have a good record (if it happened today).

32-14.

Still on pace for 57 wins.

Even if they went 3-10 in their next 13 games, they'd still be on pace for a 50 win season and would be 22-14.
 
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Because we were not double teaming d12. It's what was done with shaq.... Don't double team him and everyone else falls out of the offense since they feed the middle. So then in crunch time they are cold.

hoop fam
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I understand that. My point was that Mathews couldn't stay in front of Harden. He was crossing Wes up and blowing past him just about every time he touched the ball. The Rockets should have gone through James more.
 
blue9 said:
I dunno - Barnes and Klay replacing Mo and Wright would give us one potent bench, and would likely make up for the drop-off from LMA to Lee. Our bench could probably average >35ppg depending on how many minutes Barnes/Klay got.
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Meanwhile,Golden State is winning championships with LaMVP Aldridge.

ponderguy said:
I guarantee we will have a stretch where we go around 13-10. Just because they didn't have a hot start like we did doesn't mean they aren't a good team. If you go through their schedule most of their losses are against really good teams
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That's what bad teams do. They lose to the good teams.
 
13-10 stretch... i don't think so. We might not beat every team systematically like we are these days, but at no point is this team (barring injuries) every going to play .500 ball again. We have a picture perfect offensive system, smart, improving players, and a confirmed superstar in LaMarcus. Plus, there are too many teams were simply better than to lose more than a few games in a row.

Great thing is, even if we drop 4-5 in a row, we'll still be massively over .500. I love this team.
 
StumptownHoliday said:
13-10 stretch... i don't think so. We might not beat every team systematically like we are these days, but at no point is this team (barring injuries) every going to play .500 ball again. We have a picture perfect offensive system, smart, improving players, and a confirmed superstar in LaMarcus. Plus, there are too many teams were simply better than to lose more than a few games in a row.

Great thing is, even if we drop 4-5 in a row, we'll still be massively over .500. I love this team.
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Agreed, I think it would be funny if we have some cushion on #1 seed to sit starters before all star game like pap did
 
On a related note, can someone get an animated gif of LaMarcus's smiling nod after he hit that crazy double clutch?
 
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