Should the Blazers guarantee the playoffs?

[Mediocre Man]

You really want me to give a shit about the PER of a player who plays less than 9 mins a game? I'm sure his PER would go down with more minutes.

Arthur? No reason to even bring him up. Proven... Meh... His best season showed averages of 9ppg and 4rpg while never averaging over 20 mins a game.

The only thing he has proven is that we don't know if he is going to stay healthy. I would much rather have Robinson.

Teams need those guys. Portland has none right now.

 

[Nate4Prez]

I don't care if any player or coach "guarantees the playoffs." To me, making the playoffs is not something that is improbable. Who cares about making the playoffs? Now if someone guaranteed winning the Division or winning a Playoff series that might put other teams on notice or cause a stir. Guarantying that we are the 8th best team out of 15 does nothing for me.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I agree with you that front court depth is a real problem. It and defense are going to be problems for the Blazers next season. However, what you have posted here is false. If you are going to add the Heat's min. contract guys as real players (or whatever) than you have to include Thomas Robinson or you lose your credibility. Even though the consensus is that "Robinson sucked" last season, he was still 16th in the entire league in rebounds per 48 beating out most of the STARTING PFs and Cs in the league:

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds

Thomas Robinson has not proven NOTHING, he has proven that he is an elite rebounder. The heat would trade the guys you mentioned for Robinson in a flash.

You are wrong.

Robinson, Leonard and Freeland have proven NOTHING. Haslem and Andersen have both proved they are solid role players, or can step in if there is an injury.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I agree with you that front court depth is a real problem. It and defense are going to be problems for the Blazers next season. However, what you have posted here is false. If you are going to add the Heat's min. contract guys as real players (or whatever) than you have to include Thomas Robinson or you lose your credibility. Even though the consensus is that "Robinson sucked" last season, he was still 16th in the entire league in rebounds per 48 beating out most of the STARTING PFs and Cs in the league:

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds

Thomas Robinson has not proven NOTHING, he has proven that he is an elite rebounder. The heat would trade the guys you mentioned for Robinson in a flash.

They had two chances to do so, and didn't.....just sayin

Robinson rebound per 36 10.7

Haslem rebound per 36 9.6 career (10 seasons)

Andersen rebound per 36 10.5 career (11 seasons)


How has Robinson proven in one year to be elite, when the others have proven to be as effective over multiple years and aren't for some reason?

 

[dviss1]

I agree with you that front court depth is a real problem. It and defense are going to be problems for the Blazers next season. However, what you have posted here is false. If you are going to add the Heat's min. contract guys as real players (or whatever) than you have to include Thomas Robinson or you lose your credibility. Even though the consensus is that "Robinson sucked" last season, he was still 16th in the entire league in rebounds per 48 beating out most of the STARTING PFs and Cs in the league:

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/rebounds/sort/avg48Rebounds

Thomas Robinson has not proven NOTHING, he has proven that he is an elite rebounder. The heat would trade the guys you mentioned for Robinson in a flash.

Great post. Repped.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Great post. Repped.

Not at all a great post, simply because he agrees with you.


I like red.....I like red too. Great post, repped

 

[dviss1]

Not at all a great post, simply because he agrees with you.


I like red.....I like red too. Great post, repped

And you don't like it because you disagree... You like to go back and forth but the truth is the truth. TRob is a top 20 rebounder.

 

[dviss1]

They had two chances to do so, and didn't.....just sayin

Robinson rebound per 36 10.7

Haslem rebound per 36 9.6 career (10 seasons)

Andersen rebound per 36 10.5 career (11 seasons)


How has Robinson proven in one year to be elite, when the others have proven to be as effective over multiple years and aren't for some reason?

If you think any team in this league would successfully trade either Birdman or Haslem straight across for TRob, I have some swampland in Who Dat country for sale.

 

[OneLifeToLive]

Naw, I don't think the guarantee is needed. Mainly, because their talent is barely good enough if all goes well to just make it. If that makes sense.

I would rather have a guarantee that we will go out and if give it our best for 82 games and whatever happens at the end of the season. Happens.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No you are attacking the Blazers (like all of you negative nancys do) for having the same issue as half of the league. Even the Champions.

You are wrong.

Robinson, Leonard and Freeland have proven NOTHING. Haslem and Andersen have both proved they are solid role players, or can step in if there is an injury.

Mediocre Man, after the discussion about bigot and insults similar to it I can understand if you take being called a negative nancy a personal insult and will edit his post if you want me to.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Mediocre Man, after the discussion about bigot and insults similar to it I can understand if you take being called a negative nancy a personal insult and will edit his post if you want me to.

I think it's fair to say I really don't give a shit either way, although no one should be edited

My point has always been, if you do it for one, do it for all. However, I would prefer it never happen

 

[Draco]

Faried, Galinari, Randolph, Arthur

all are proven NBA caliber players.

Totally disagree. This guy has not proven he can contribute on any NBA team ever. He has promising physical traits, but they've never translated to game production. Meyers Leonard accomplished as much as Randolph ever has last season and I do not think Meyers has proven anything. Except for Faried I wouldn't call any of those players big men either, they are SF's.

Yes big man depth is a concern for this Blazer team, but its a pretty big concern on all but a few teams. Who are the Clippers third and fourth big men? What about Minny, Houston, or Golden State? All of these teams are a big man injury away from having major trouble.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Totally disagree. This guy has not proven he can contribute on any NBA team ever. He has promising physical traits, but they've never translated to game production. Meyers Leonard accomplished as much as Randolph ever has last season and I do not think Meyers has proven anything. Except for Faried I wouldn't call any of those players big men either, they are SF's.

Yes big man depth is a concern for this Blazer team, but its a pretty big concern on all but a few teams. Who are the Clippers third and fourth big men? What about Minny, Houston, or Golden State? All of these teams are a big man injury away from having major trouble.

Again, Anthony Randolph has a career PER 3 points higher than our starting SG. Saying he hasn't proven anything is flat out wrong

 

[Draco]

The heat would trade the guys you mentioned for Robinson in a flash.

I highly doubt the Heat would want Thomas Robinson instead of Bird Man. Maybe that will change as the season goes on, Birdman had awesome stretches in the playoffs last year. He just can't play extended minutes with his knees.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

You must have me confused with someone else. I never said TRob>>Heat fools
because that was never my point. However, as YOUR stats suggest

TROB on the order of Heat Fools.

If you include Heat Fools as "Heat Frontcourt Depth", you must include TRob in "Blazers Frontcourt Depth".

Frankly, I'm tired of arguing about this. We'll all have a better idea come the all-star break.

They had two chances to do so, and didn't.....just sayin

Robinson rebound per 36 10.7

Haslem rebound per 36 9.6 career (10 seasons)

Andersen rebound per 36 10.5 career (11 seasons)


How has Robinson proven in one year to be elite, when the others have proven to be as effective over multiple years and aren't for some reason?

 

[Mediocre Man]

You must have me confused with someone else. I never said TRob>>Heat fools
because that was never my point. However, as YOUR stats suggest

TROB on the order of Heat Fools.

If you include Heat Fools as "Heat Frontcourt Depth", you must include TRob in "Blazers Frontcourt Depth".

Frankly, I'm tired of arguing about this. We'll all have a better idea come the all-star break.

Why must I include a front court player that was traded 2 times his rookie season

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Why must I include a front court player that was traded 2 times his rookie season

Perhaps because it's irrelevant.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I'd prefer it if the players and/or coaches did. But if anyone else in the organization does, it would be an embarrassment.

 

[julius]

Faried, Galinari, Randolph, Arthur

short, a SF with a tall body, nothing great and nothing great.

all are proven NBA caliber players.

you said BIG MEN.

We have Robinson, Leonard and Freeland and Howell who none have proven to be NBA caliber players.


Steitsma, Smith, Davis, Anderson and even Amundson have all showed they can contribute at the NBA level.

I am not saying they are world beaters, but they have shown they have the ability to at least play well at this level. Our guys haven't......yet

I really have no idea why you would argue that other than you like to argue with me

Because I find your opinion about big men to be questionable. Or maybe it's a conspiracy.