Should the Blazers resign Zach Collins?

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Should the Blazers resign Collins and for how much?

  • Yes, he is worth a multi year contract

    Votes: 4 4.9%

  • Yes, for the qualifying offer one year $7 million

    Votes: 7 8.5%

  • Yes, for the veteran minimum

    Votes: 38 46.3%

  • No at any price, he is not worth a roster spot

    Votes: 33 40.2%
  • Total voters
    82
Zach Collins Enthusiast said:
He is probably deficient in Vitamin D, it makes his bones brittle
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More than likely he'll never be able to play above the rim again...he'll have to develop a Zbo or Enes Kanter game ..some bigs can't take the pounding on the ankles, knees or feet dropping onto hardwood from a dunk over and over again.....he's had too many surgeries to come back and pound his ankles into dust again dropping from 11 or 12 ft down to the floor...personally I wouldn't waste a roster spot on him at this point...it's as if Festus Ezeli is still getting paid to sit on our bench and get surgeries on our dime...cut your losses....if that means sign and trade at the deadline...ok then
 
KristinthBonkers said:
He’ll get that from another team. If he doesn’t get the QO, he’s a UFA and has 30 teams from which to choose. Someone else will pay him it.
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I think he'll have to actually play his way back into the league from the G league...he hasn't played much for years
 
wizenheimer said:
he had the 1st revision surgery in December and was still in a walking boot 5 months later. Optimistically, he would have been ready to start full practice a couple of months after getting out of the boot

it's now less than 4 months before the season begins. Why would anybody expect him to return to action in less than 8 months after his latest surgery? It defies common sense and I suspect it defies medical sense. Next year's playoffs are only 10 months away.

at a certain point, extending that QO might be a real case of:

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is Portland past that point?
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Really bad how bad the break is. Some stress fracture your out 6-8 weeks some are longer. Remember his last operation what January and he was supposed be ready maybe the 2nd round of the playoffs. 6-7 month he should be out so that puts end December or January.
 
James lamphear said:
Really bad how bad the break is. Some stress fracture your out 6-8 weeks some are longer. Remember his last operation what January and he was supposed be ready maybe the 2nd round of the playoffs. 6-7 month he should be out so that puts end December or January.
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this isn't just a stress fracture. It's a surgical revision of a previous surgical revision correcting an even earlier surgical correction for a fracture. The 3rd surgery for the same problem in a year. It seems far-fetched to think he'd be playing by March, let alone December. It seems just as likely there's something so wrong with that ankle it might be career-ending
 
PtldPlatypus said:
You keep saying this...but this notion is predicated on the idea that there will be some team out there that wants to send us a quality player in a firesale deal, while we are simultaneously interested in increasing our luxury tax above what it already projects to be. That relatively remote possibility does not seem worth the millions it would cost to keep him at his QO.

This, by the way, was the same logic Aaron Fentress trotted out for years in opposition to everyone saying that Neil screwed up the summer of 2016. "When those deals are expiring, they're going to be great assets, and he'll be able to use them to make a big trade". And we saw that Crabbe was traded for a millstone, Meyers/Harkless were traded for Whiteside, and Whiteside was traded for nothing. Only Turner technically turned into something, via Bazemore, then Ariza, and 2 firsts for RoCo.

Yeah, I'm not buying the logic on keeping Zach for future trade flexibility.
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Yes, well said. An injured Zach on a 7 million dollar contract doesn't have trade value.

We will have guys like DJJ, Kanter, MLE signing if we need to match a few million. If we need more salary we likely have to throw in more talent which would be one of our starters on a larger comtract.

Not signung Zach could help in trades as we can have less luxury tax. You don't have to match salaries 100%
 
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vet is an oxymoron for him it feels, but maybe minimum is accurate.

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KristinthBonkers said:
He’ll get that from another team. If he doesn’t get the QO, he’s a UFA and has 30 teams from which to choose. Someone else will pay him it.
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Maybe, or maybe teams wont offer him a contract until he has a good work out.

It's not like when he's healthy he can finally jump right into a productive role. The guy has missed years of development. The NBA is the highest level of basketball that thousands of elite healthy players fall short.

He wasn't an all star and there have been hundreds off Allstars careers cut short by injuries.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Yes, well said. An injured Zach on a 7 million dollar contract doesn't have trade value.

We will have guys like DJJ, Kanter, MLE signing if we need to match a few million. If we need more salary we likely have to throw in more talent which would be one of our starters on a larger comtract.

Not signung Zach could help in trades as we can have less luxury tax. You don't have to match salaries 100%
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Kanter is a free agent.
We're in a situation pretty similar to, I believe, like 2 years ago, where we had a bunch of high salaries, anda bunch of low, but no good tradeable contracts. We signed Hood to inflated deal knowing he was gonna be traded. You need those middle sized deals to have trade flexibility. We have DJJ and...? If we don't move a core piece of Nurk or Covington? Giving the qualifying offer at ~7 mil. to Zach makes sense as a trade asset. He's an expiring deal, needed to match salary.
Otherwise, we have 40, 30, 12, 12, 3,3,3,ish sort of deals to play with. I extend the Q.O., and let his agent know, he's not worth that to us at all. So we're extending that as a benefit to him to make a bunch of money when he can't play, and he is a trade asset, nothing more. Nobody is giving him more than that on the open market. It's, again, the Hood deal all over. You need $$ to make trades. We need his expiring$ to swing a deal.
 
RR7 said:
Kanter is a free agent.
We're in a situation pretty similar to, I believe, like 2 years ago, where we had a bunch of high salaries, anda bunch of low, but no good tradeable contracts. We signed Hood to inflated deal knowing he was gonna be traded. You need those middle sized deals to have trade flexibility. We have DJJ and...? If we don't move a core piece of Nurk or Covington? Giving the qualifying offer at ~7 mil. to Zach makes sense as a trade asset. He's an expiring deal, needed to match salary.
Otherwise, we have 40, 30, 12, 12, 3,3,3,ish sort of deals to play with. I extend the Q.O., and let his agent know, he's not worth that to us at all. So we're extending that as a benefit to him to make a bunch of money when he can't play, and he is a trade asset, nothing more. Nobody is giving him more than that on the open market. It's, again, the Hood deal all over. You need $$ to make trades. We need his expiring$ to swing a deal.
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No this is a stupid idea.

If the Blazers give Zach the qualifying offer he would have a no trade clause.

It is better to give Kanter a one year contract for ~$7million with a team option the following year, then he could be traded, similar to Hood. Kanter can actually play as well.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101

  • When the player is playing under a one-year contract (excluding any option year) and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the season. This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. When the player consents to such a trade, his Larry Bird/Early Bird rights are not traded with him, and instead becomes a Non-Bird free agent3. The player's consent is also required for any subsequent trades that season.
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wizenheimer said:
this isn't just a stress fracture. It's a surgical revision of a previous surgical revision correcting an even earlier surgical correction for a fracture. The 3rd surgery for the same problem in a year. It seems far-fetched to think he'd be playing by March, let alone December. It seems just as likely there's something so wrong with that ankle it might be career-ending
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We will see because right he out indifently so know one how long.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
No this is a stupid idea.

If the Blazers give Zach the qualifying offer he would have a no trade clause.

It is better to give Kanter a one year contract for ~$7million with a team option the following year, then he could be traded, similar to Hood. Kanter can actually play as well.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q101
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I know he'd have a no trade clause, but you work that out with his agent beforehand. Is he going to get 7 million this year in free agency? No. So why woudn't he accept being a trade chip and hitting free agency next season? Plus, he'd be trade eligible immediately. If we sign re-sign Kanter, we can't trade him until mid Decemeber.
 
RR7 said:
I know he'd have a no trade clause, but you work that out with his agent beforehand. Is he going to get 7 million this year in free agency? No. So why woudn't he accept being a trade chip and hitting free agency next season? Plus, he'd be trade eligible immediately. If we sign re-sign Kanter, we can't trade him until mid Decemeber.
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I probably have this wrong, but I seem to recall one of the mods on the RealGM trade board a couple of years ago saying that players on their QO can not be combined with any other players in a trade....kind of like a S&T player. Or maybe that was the previous CBA

would be worth knowing if that's true
 
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wizenheimer said:
I probably have this wrong, but I seem to recall one of the mods on the RealGM trade board a couple of years ago saying that players on their QO can not be combined with any other players in a trade....kind of like a S&T player. Or maybe that was the previous CBA

would be worth knowing if that's true
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Huh. I've never heard that before. Quick search doesn't come up with anything on it. And I can't really remember too many guys on qualifying offers traded.
 
RR7 said:
Huh. I've never heard that before. Quick search doesn't come up with anything on it. And I can't really remember too many guys on qualifying offers traded.
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like I said, I'm not even sure that was it. Just remember a mod saying there was a restriction other than player consent on trading QO's

if it's a big enough trade, teams can usually segment different components anyway

might be a team would be willing to absorb Zach's QO for a couple of 2nd's and some cash. Gives Portland a TPE which has decent value
 
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It would be interesting to know what the prognosis given by Zach's doctors and those the Blazers' undoubtedly employ for their own purposes are for a full recovery by Zach. I know that most folks around here are justifiably down on him because of the multiple failures of the surgeries he's had, but someone above mentioned Ilgauskas as an example of someone who struggled through multiple broken bones in his feet but was eventually able to play healthy for a few years. Obviously, the Blazers are going to make an informed position in deciding what/if to offer Zach an extension.
 
e_blazer said:
It would be interesting to know what the prognosis given by Zach's doctors and those the Blazers' undoubtedly employ for their own purposes are for a full recovery by Zach. I know that most folks around here are justifiably down on him because of the multiple failures of the surgeries he's had, but someone above mentioned Ilgauskas as an example of someone who struggled through multiple broken bones in his feet but was eventually able to play healthy for a few years. Obviously, the Blazers are going to make an informed position in deciding what/if to offer Zach an extension.
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trouble is, for every Ilgauskas there are dozens of Same Bowie's, Greg Oden's & Festus Ezeli's
 
wizenheimer said:
trouble is, for every Ilgauskas there are dozens of Same Bowie's, Greg Oden's & Festus Ezeli's
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True, but that's why I put it in the context of what Zach's doctors and the team's doctors are saying. It's easy for folks on a message board to offer uninformed opinions as to what the team should do. Olshey has to make his decisions based on hard information and is accountable to Jody Allen for his decisions. Failing to make an offer to Zach, only to see him recover and flourish on a new team in a year or so, or conversely offering him a contract and having Zach never able to play again, have considerably more impact on the team and Olshey's future than we experience for our half-assed opinions.
 
We should sign him to an incentive contract.

1000 StormX for every basket made
2000 StormX for every assist
3000 StormX for every block
 
A different context:
What is the percent chance that Zach will heal from his latest surgury, and return 90+%, and make a valuable contribution to the team THIS upcoming season?

If you think the number is 60% or higher, you probably give his the QO.
If you think the number is 30% or lower, you definitely do not.
If you think the number is 15% or lower, you probably don't give him a contract at all.

I'm in the somewhere between 15% and 30%, so I see if he wants vet. min. (and I consider myself optimistic!)
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We should sign him to an incentive contract.

1000 StormX for every basket made
2000 StormX for every assist
3000 StormX for every block
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I wonder if StormX is covered by the CBA? Maybe the Blazers have found the loophole to building a Super-team around Dame.
 
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